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Shame - 10/12/2011 7:27:07 PM   
losthighway


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In New York City, Brandon's carefully cultivated private life, which allows him to indulge his sexual addiction, is disrupted when his sister Cissy arrives unannounced for an indefinite stay... and that really is about your lot! The film sadly drags as the narrative never really has anything driving it forward. It all looks very nice and there is no doubting that Brandon is a seriously lonely individual, but it just never goes anywhere. He goes from one conquest to next to the next and to the next (even going to a gay club at one point)... and when he does attempt something more meaningful he can't perform so literally hits rock bottom in the film's most graphic orgy scene, which ends with the look on his face as he cums... and it's not a happy face! The film is very sad and despite some folks laughing at certain moments, I do wonder if they missed the point that these scenes were not meant to be amusing, they were highlighting Brandon's all-consuming addiction. There was a director Q&A after the showing but I didn't hang around - i'm afraid i didn't think the film warranted further dissection, it just wasn't that good! It's released in the UK on 13th January 2012 but I can't say I would recommend seeing it at the cinema, the fact it drags so often makes me think this is one best kept for DVD/BR.

Overall: 3/5


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RE: Shame - 13/12/2011 9:40:48 PM   
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Saw it this evening. Its a bloody good film, just doesn;t quite live up to the hype. The Artist is better.

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RE: Shame - 16/12/2011 12:40:54 AM   
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I thought it was OK, but just frankly a bit boring. I like ambiguity in films but there was no explanation for the reasons why this brother and sister had these problems. I also thought the orgy scene was a bit unnecessary..

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RE: Shame - 18/12/2011 2:05:32 AM   
losthighway


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Interesting to see other folks found it somewhat lacking... I imagine it will get quite the opposite from critics though once officially released!

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RE: Shame - 12/1/2012 8:43:03 AM   
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I'm in the mood for a more cerebral film and so I'd really like to see this one. Fassbender looks class as always and I'm keen to see McQueen's directing style. I saw the interview with McQueen and Fassbender on Film 2011 (with Claudia Winkleman's usual routine) and they both said that the lack of background information was deliberate. As the viewer would recognise the dynamic between the brother and sister and have a familiarity with it. Therefore they would fill in the blanks. Anyone agree with that assessment?

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RE: Shame - 12/1/2012 9:18:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Emyr Thy King

I'm in the mood for a more cerebral film and so I'd really like to see this one. Fassbender looks class as always and I'm keen to see McQueen's directing style. I saw the interview with McQueen and Fassbender on Film 2011 (with Claudia Winkleman's usual routine) and they both said that the lack of background information was deliberate. As the viewer would recognise the dynamic between the brother and sister and have a familiarity with it. Therefore they would fill in the blanks. Anyone agree with that assessment?


Very much so.  I saw it Wednesay with a satellite Q&A thing after the showing.  McQueen said they wanted this charcater as a sort of everyman and as such didn't want to make any confirmation on the origin of the addiction i.e. was it something in his past that triggered it, or did it just happen.  I think the brother sister dynamic offers a possible trigger, but it's not confirmed. The audience at the Q&A were very willing to assume something that isn't confirmed in the film and I think that open-endedness is good for that everyman approach - it covers all possibilities without being didacted or preachy about how this behaviour comes about.  As McQueen said, there are 4 back stories going on here, McQueen has his, Abi Morgan hers, and Fassbender and Mulligan have theirs.  They could all be drastically different but it doesn't adversely effect the film.

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RE: Shame - 12/1/2012 1:45:22 PM   
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That's very interesting thank you and I am envious you attended a Q&A session, even if it was via satellite. I have to say I'm very impressed with the way McQueen and Fassbender have been able to expand upon the story, its central conceit and of course the character of Brandon in their interviews. The one thing I find very annoying is when directors and actors cannot articulate their thoughts very well, in particular their understanding of a film and just give an informative précis or analysis. Which just goes to show that some people are useless without a script.

I of course really want to see this film, the only concern that I have is whether the way in which Brandon solicits and successfully gets sex ever borders on the contrived and preposterous? Seeing as the story is grounded in a very real addiction.

Have you seen Auto Focus (2002, Schrader) by the way?

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RE: Shame - 12/1/2012 2:01:57 PM   
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I went to the satelite Q&A in Dublin on Tuesday. Very good, intense viewing and they don't glorify the sex at all. Great performance by Fassbender and it's actually quite funny in parts which I wasn't expecting for some reason. I don't mean funny as in "Teehee willy!" which some people in the crowd found hilarious.

We had about 20 people, mainly elderly folk I noticed, walk out muttering during a certain scene towards the end. It's a film about sexual addiction, what were they expecting?

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RE: Shame - 12/1/2012 2:26:55 PM   
Emyr Thy King


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ORIGINAL: talpacino

I went to the satelite Q&A in Dublin on Tuesday. Very good, intense viewing and they don't glorify the sex at all. Great performance by Fassbender and it's actually quite funny in parts which I wasn't expecting for some reason. I don't mean funny as in "Teehee willy!" which some people in the crowd found hilarious.

We had about 20 people, mainly elderly folk I noticed, walk out muttering during a certain scene towards the end. It's a film about sexual addiction, what were they expecting?


Denture porn god forbid. Very base of me I apologise.

I've seen one clip from Film 2011 where Brandon is on a date with a very lovely black/mixed-raced girl (he could be on a number of dates as far as I know - just being specific) and they're discussing their/his longest relationship and he says four months. Which is supposed to lead to awkwardness but I see in the trailer he his his wily way with her. I'm going to take a guess that he tries to establish a meaningful relationship as a sort of emergency measure? I shouldn't ask too much I know hah.

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RE: Shame - 12/1/2012 9:57:03 PM   
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I enjoyed it . Like film 2012 said it stays with you no matter what. It has some effect alright. A lot of Michael f mega fans in audience though who I thought were acting like they were at som take that gig so I guess not everybody got the kinda downbeat somber mood I thought it exuded.

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RE: Shame - 14/1/2012 12:47:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: demoncleaner

quote:

ORIGINAL: Emyr Thy King

I'm in the mood for a more cerebral film and so I'd really like to see this one. Fassbender looks class as always and I'm keen to see McQueen's directing style. I saw the interview with McQueen and Fassbender on Film 2011 (with Claudia Winkleman's usual routine) and they both said that the lack of background information was deliberate. As the viewer would recognise the dynamic between the brother and sister and have a familiarity with it. Therefore they would fill in the blanks. Anyone agree with that assessment?


Very much so.  I saw it Wednesay with a satellite Q&A thing after the showing.  McQueen said they wanted this charcater as a sort of everyman and as such didn't want to make any confirmation on the origin of the addiction i.e. was it something in his past that triggered it, or did it just happen.  I think the brother sister dynamic offers a possible trigger, but it's not confirmed. The audience at the Q&A were very willing to assume something that isn't confirmed in the film and I think that open-endedness is good for that everyman approach - it covers all possibilities without being didacted or preachy about how this behaviour comes about.  As McQueen said, there are 4 back stories going on here, McQueen has his, Abi Morgan hers, and Fassbender and Mulligan have theirs.  They could all be drastically different but it doesn't adversely effect the film.


Yey Demonclear, we agree on something once more!

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