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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 12:12:17 AM   
JIm R

 

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These ladies make this guy sound like the EDL version of Martin Luther King Jr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYd9qbRz2fc


That is just breathtaking, oh my, what an interview

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 1:23:40 AM   
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Didn't we do a thread on this guy? I'm sure he was quite notorious at the time!

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 6:03:12 AM   
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I'm amazed at how temperate the abused people (including those who were not visibly ethnic) were towards both of those disgusting sub-human racists. I would have spat in their faces honestly, but it was the best way to have them prosecuted without innocent people being implicated.

I don't think we can generalise conclusions about racism in Britain from these instances because both of those women are bigoted on a demented, irrational level (the condition of racism) but it is one of the most unpleasant things to encounter for any human being.


I think maybe we should wake up and start to think perhaps we didn't quite finish the fight yet.


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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 8:58:26 AM   
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I'm amazed at how temperate the abused people (including those who were not visibly ethnic) were towards both of those disgusting sub-human racists. I would have spat in their faces honestly, but it was the best way to have them prosecuted without innocent people being implicated.

I don't think we can generalise conclusions about racism in Britain from these instances because both of those women are bigoted on a demented, irrational level (the condition of racism) but it is one of the most unpleasant things to encounter for any human being.


I think maybe we should wake up and start to think perhaps we didn't quite finish the fight yet.



Just wanted to stick my oar in at this point.
The reason everyone sat there and said sweet FA is because we're british and it's ingrained into us not to make a scene.
There's no way you'd have spat in their faces, just like there's no way other people on here would have punched them, kicked them or whatever else.

Sorry, but that's the reality of it.

You'd have phoned the police sure but by that time she's had her rant and it confirmed that she's a massive racist with no more right to oxygen than a paedophile.


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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 9:42:35 AM   
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These ladies make this guy sound like the EDL version of Martin Luther King Jr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYd9qbRz2fc


Thank you Timon. I listened to this and now have a headache as my brain melted a bit trying to understand him. Also Ive added a muslamic ray gun to my Christmas list.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 9:44:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BishopQuaker

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kilo_T_Mortal

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ORIGINAL: KnightofZyryab

I'm amazed at how temperate the abused people (including those who were not visibly ethnic) were towards both of those disgusting sub-human racists. I would have spat in their faces honestly, but it was the best way to have them prosecuted without innocent people being implicated.

I don't think we can generalise conclusions about racism in Britain from these instances because both of those women are bigoted on a demented, irrational level (the condition of racism) but it is one of the most unpleasant things to encounter for any human being.


I think maybe we should wake up and start to think perhaps we didn't quite finish the fight yet.



Just wanted to stick my oar in at this point.
The reason everyone sat there and said sweet FA is because we're british and it's ingrained into us not to make a scene.
There's no way you'd have spat in their faces, just like there's no way other people on here would have punched them, kicked them or whatever else.

Sorry, but that's the reality of it.

You'd have phoned the police sure but by that time she's had her rant and it confirmed that she's a massive racist with no more right to oxygen than a paedophile.



Hmm maybe not the violent aspects of what has been said, but I do believe some of us would have stood up and said something. I know full well I would, and have in the past.


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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 9:50:24 AM   
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Yeah, standing up to her would be great. But people are talking about gobbing on her and getting physical. Surely the moment you dispute someone like that with violence you've kinda lost the moral high-ground? And she had a kid with her. Throw her off the tram and you have to throw the kid off, too. And that would be frowned upon somewhat.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 9:52:22 AM   
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You wish there had been a community warden  / police officer on board, then direct action would have happened.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 12:26:04 PM   
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Sure she can just rectify all this with a handshake after the final whistle.

Hang on...



I lol'd pretty hard


Cheers. It got lost in the 'Snake Eyes with Union Jack draped over him' though.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 12:56:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: borstal


quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

These ladies make this guy sound like the EDL version of Martin Luther King Jr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYd9qbRz2fc


Thank you Timon. I listened to this and now have a headache as my brain melted a bit trying to understand him. Also Ive added a muslamic ray gun to my Christmas list.


Poor old Adidas.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 1:50:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kilo_T_Mortal

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ORIGINAL: KnightofZyryab

I'm amazed at how temperate the abused people (including those who were not visibly ethnic) were towards both of those disgusting sub-human racists. I would have spat in their faces honestly, but it was the best way to have them prosecuted without innocent people being implicated.

I don't think we can generalise conclusions about racism in Britain from these instances because both of those women are bigoted on a demented, irrational level (the condition of racism) but it is one of the most unpleasant things to encounter for any human being.


I think maybe we should wake up and start to think perhaps we didn't quite finish the fight yet.



To be honest Kilo, I think the fight never ends.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 3:31:09 PM   
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One more.........

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 3:45:19 PM   
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One more.........

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QwhDxUv9BeE


 I really hope this 'spate' ends soon and also that I'm on board when some fuckwitted moron decides to air their thoughts.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 3:48:32 PM   
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One more.........

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QwhDxUv9BeE


I think its a fake.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 7:16:52 PM   
JIm R

 

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One more.........

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QwhDxUv9BeE


I think its a fake.


How does one assess whether its a fake or not ?

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 7:32:06 PM   
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The camera is right next to her and she apears to be fully aware of it, playing up to it. Plus, nobody is arguing with the woman in this one which means there are very few people on the train (maybe just the folk we can see?) Also, we don't actually see the person she is talking to, for all we know, he could be white. Oh, and she stops when the train stops and the video stops when she caims to get off. When the door opens, look at her face, it looks as though she's stopping herself from smiling because people coming onto the train may hear her (hence her stopping).

That's just a guess, it may well be real....


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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 8:30:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofZyryab

I'm amazed at how temperate the abused people (including those who were not visibly ethnic) were towards both of those disgusting sub-human racists. I would have spat in their faces honestly, but it was the best way to have them prosecuted without innocent people being implicated.

I don't think we can generalise conclusions about racism in Britain from these instances because both of those women are bigoted on a demented, irrational level (the condition of racism) but it is one of the most unpleasant things to encounter for any human being.


I think maybe we should wake up and start to think perhaps we didn't quite finish the fight yet.



Just wanted to stick my oar in at this point.
The reason everyone sat there and said sweet FA is because we're british and it's ingrained into us not to make a scene.
There's no way you'd have spat in their faces, just like there's no way other people on here would have punched them, kicked them or whatever else.

Sorry, but that's the reality of it.

You'd have phoned the police sure but by that time she's had her rant and it confirmed that she's a massive racist with no more right to oxygen than a paedophile.



Wrong. I have done before and would have said something or intervened. I'm half British (if we're going to think about things that way) and I've never grown up with an ingrained sense of shying away from conflict, I believe in standing up, saying something, and resisting where necessary. Having been subjected to racism personally at points in life, I suppose I've naturally developed a lower threshold when it comes to simply letting things pass - look at the guy who was about to stand up behind that woman in the first video before he was subdued by someone. It's naive to think everyone will react so passively.


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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 8:33:11 PM   
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The camera is right next to her and she apears to be fully aware of it, playing up to it. Plus, nobody is arguing with the woman in this one which means there are very few people on the train (maybe just the folk we can see?) Also, we don't actually see the person she is talking to, for all we know, he could be white. Oh, and she stops when the train stops and the video stops when she caims to get off. When the door opens, look at her face, it looks as though she's stopping herself from smiling because people coming onto the train may hear her (hence her stopping).

That's just a guess, it may well be real....



Since the original video broke you're guaranteed to get a hundred hoax versions on yt over the next few weeks.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 8:58:36 PM   
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The EDL are planning on picketing the prison where racist woman #1 is being held. Their statement is amazing. What on earth is a "multicultural tram"?!

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 9:04:24 PM   
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The EDL are planning on picketing the prison where racist woman #1 is being held. Their statement is amazing. What on earth is a "multicultural tram"?!

http://www.twitpic.com/7mohsn



Tbh after a few sentences all I saw was "Blllleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 1/12/2011 11:02:20 PM   
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One more.........

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QwhDxUv9BeE


I think its a fake.



Nah, unfortunately I think it's real....


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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 2/12/2011 12:21:59 AM   
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I think maybe we should wake up and start to think perhaps we didn't quite finish the fight yet.



To be honest Kilo, I think the fight never ends.


Probably right. This is from across the pond, but it made me sick to my stomach just reading it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/01/kentucky-church-interracial-marriage-ban


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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 2/12/2011 7:58:12 PM   
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Probably right. This is from across the pond, but it made me sick to my stomach just reading it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/01/kentucky-church-interracial-marriage-ban



That is quite sickening Reb. Unfortunately, interracial relationships are still sort of sneered at here in London. I've experienced racial abuse in public places just because I was with a caucasian lass. And my youngest bro and his Missus get 'the looks' (and smart-a$$ comments too) now and then; he's a BIG guy with a shorter temper than mine and he just looks right back and asks "Yes? What the f**k are you lookin' at?!"

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 2/12/2011 11:05:15 PM   
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I would have thought London is quite bohemian about such things.

I'm the product of a mixed race marriage - half Indian/half English/Scottish/Hungarian hybrid and I've never had any problems.

I've been with my girlfriend (white) for seven years and I've never had any problems. I'd be surprised if I did. This sort of bigoted stupidity belongs back in the 60s.

Maybe that's just Bristol...

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 2/12/2011 11:07:56 PM   
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In my experience, Bristol is very chilled and relaxed though and is the South West in general.....

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 3/12/2011 11:20:45 AM   
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What's amusing about this whole "stealing our jobs" argument is that no one is stealing jobs, the only reason a person woudln't get a job is because they're no good at it.

My brother and I purchased a house to let and we had a company (all Polish guys) do it up because they were recommended and reliable. They do their job and don't keep knocking on my door asking me to make them tea.

Disclaimer, not implying all British-born construction people do that.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 6/12/2011 3:02:13 PM   
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I guess this is why the courts cost so much - the woman watched the video, cried a bit, then made a not guilty plea. After watching the video. Now there will be another court session where she gives her defence. 

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 6/12/2011 3:45:14 PM   
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I am quite intrigued as to what her defence will be. But surely any legal represntative would have urged her to plead not guilty or bargain?

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 6/12/2011 3:49:03 PM   
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Amazing she can't say she didn`t do it when the footage shows she clearly did I suspect she`ll say she wasn`t being racist just stateing what she thinks is the case in Modern Britain. I`m not sticking up for her by the way I hate people like her I`m just trying to workout how she is going to explain not pleading gulity.

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RE: The BNP have a new role model - 6/12/2011 4:08:33 PM   
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Amazing she can't say she didn`t do it when the footage shows she clearly did I suspect she`ll say she wasn`t being racist just stateing what she thinks is the case in Modern Britain. I`m not sticking up for her by the way I hate people like her I`m just trying to workout how she is going to explain not pleading gulity.


This makes sense. Won't make any difference, though, her aggressive manner and use of bad language against someone of colour will go against her. Her lawyer must have something pretty spectacular up their sleeve to try to defend this. Maybe they'll say that the video doesn't show the start of the 'discussion' and she was provoked......


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