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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

Well agreed the last 1 part filler before the crossovers was a bit shite but I quite liked the fact it acknowleged the existence of other characters from the DC Universe unlike the other Batman titles.
Talking of the crossover wont be getting any others than my 4 regular bat titles been down that road before (even though Nightwing looks integral to it all).

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ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

HELP!

Do any of my fellow comic shacker's know what the reading order is for CIVIL WAR? I've just finished reading the first book (CIVIL WAR #1-7); Cap America has just handed himself in, and that smug bastard Tony Stark is talking about a new superhero order (if I had to choose between the two sides - i'd go with the 'rebel' superhero's any day of the week!).

Its a little confusing because theres a lot of CIVIL WAR titles out there! Any help will be much appreciated!

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ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

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ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

HELP!

Do any of my fellow comic shacker's know what the reading order is for CIVIL WAR? I've just finished reading the first book (CIVIL WAR #1-7); Cap America has just handed himself in, and that smug bastard Tony Stark is talking about a new superhero order (if I had to choose between the two sides - i'd go with the 'rebel' superhero's any day of the week!).

Its a little confusing because theres a lot of CIVIL WAR titles out there! Any help will be much appreciated!

Good god no. Supporting Team Captain America, unthinkable .

Check this out for the reading order

http://www.freakcomics.com/marvel-comics-civil-war-reading-order/

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ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

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ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

HELP!

Do any of my fellow comic shacker's know what the reading order is for CIVIL WAR? I've just finished reading the first book (CIVIL WAR #1-7); Cap America has just handed himself in, and that smug bastard Tony Stark is talking about a new superhero order (if I had to choose between the two sides - i'd go with the 'rebel' superhero's any day of the week!).

Its a little confusing because theres a lot of CIVIL WAR titles out there! Any help will be much appreciated!

Good god no. Supporting Team Captain America, unthinkable .

Check this out for the reading order

http://www.freakcomics.com/marvel-comics-civil-war-reading-order/

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ORIGINAL: Vadersville

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ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

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ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

HELP!

Do any of my fellow comic shacker's know what the reading order is for CIVIL WAR? I've just finished reading the first book (CIVIL WAR #1-7); Cap America has just handed himself in, and that smug bastard Tony Stark is talking about a new superhero order (if I had to choose between the two sides - i'd go with the 'rebel' superhero's any day of the week!).

Its a little confusing because theres a lot of CIVIL WAR titles out there! Any help will be much appreciated!

Good god no. Supporting Team Captain America, unthinkable .

Check this out for the reading order

http://www.freakcomics.com/marvel-comics-civil-war-reading-order/

Granted, I'm not really a Marvel man but I did find it odd that Captain America the US's Poster Boy took up the side of the Anti-Registration whilst bad boy Stark was the headman for Pro-Registration. Still, I though Civil War was a great read though!

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ORIGINAL: sanchia

The main problem I had with Civil War was the same problem I have with most of Millar's work. There is a kernel of a truly great idea but the reality of his writing drags it down.

Looking at his recent work:
Kick Ass II was truly dire being truly vapid and trying to replace a decent plot with just one scene of violence followed by another (a common staple of Millar).
Nemesis pretty much followed the same lines whereby he trys to use shock and violence over plotting (SPOILER: for example where he used the sons sperm to impregnated the sister).
Supercrooks, words fail me how bad this is.
The Secret Service, actually from the first two issues there may be something worthwhile but I am certain it will devolve into one scene of violence following another in the near future.

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ORIGINAL: Olaf

Mark Millar is essentially a vastly inferior version of Grant Morrison. The difference is that one has cool ideas, whereas the other has genuinely great ideas.

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ORIGINAL: furrybastard

American Jesus is pretty good, worth checking out as one of Millar's better works. Nice artwork from The Unwritten/Lucifer's Peter Gross. I also quite liked his Marvel 1985 short series.

He's a high-concept writer: good ideas, mostly badly executed. Often ending in a big fight for no reason. Kick-Ass 2 was probably the worst thing he's ever written and featured one of the most offensive scenes I've ever come across in a comic (and I mean offensive narratively, morally, intellectually and every other possible means).

Of his new books, The Secret Service is so far suspiciously ok.

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ORIGINAL: sanchia

Old Man Logan is a decent read. Red Son I understand was something he spent ten years writing.

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ORIGINAL: Vadersville

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ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

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ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

HELP!

Do any of my fellow comic shacker's know what the reading order is for CIVIL WAR? I've just finished reading the first book (CIVIL WAR #1-7); Cap America has just handed himself in, and that smug bastard Tony Stark is talking about a new superhero order (if I had to choose between the two sides - i'd go with the 'rebel' superhero's any day of the week!).

Its a little confusing because theres a lot of CIVIL WAR titles out there! Any help will be much appreciated!

Good god no. Supporting Team Captain America, unthinkable .

Check this out for the reading order

http://www.freakcomics.com/marvel-comics-civil-war-reading-order/

Granted, I'm not really a Marvel man but I did find it odd that Captain America the US's Poster Boy took up the side of the Anti-Registration whilst bad boy Stark was the headman for Pro-Registration. Still, I though Civil War was a great read though!

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ORIGINAL: sharkboy

Personally I thought it was very natural for Cap to rebel against anything that would be seen to threaten someone's freedom - after all, that's pretty much what he stood for.  As for Stark, I reacll a scene in a Iron Man comic that predated Civil War where he was in Washington giving evidence.  He paused in front of the Lincoln Memorial long enough to make some quote along the lines of Lincoln abolished slavery knowing that it would turn brother against brother, but that the country would emerge stronger, and worrying that a similar course of action may be necessary now.

As for Millar, I think you've summed him up in a nut-shell.  He can come up with a great central idea to pitch, but take away the fights and the pop culture references, and the scripts are as hollow as a Lindt bunny.

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ORIGINAL: sanchia

Old Man Logan is a decent read. Red Son I understand was something he spent ten years writing.

Grant Morrison has suggested in interviews that he may have "helped" Millar along with some of his earlier work, hence the reason it probably stands up better!

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ORIGINAL: sharkboy

As for Millar, I think you've summed him up in a nut-shell.  He can come up with a great central idea to pitch, but take away the fights and the pop culture references, and the scripts are as hollow as a Lindt bunny.

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ORIGINAL: furrybastard

Of his new books, The Secret Service is so far suspiciously ok.

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And finally, I'm toying with the idea of a comic, but it's got nothing to do with 'Discworld'. It's called 'Stalin' and it's what would happen if Superman landed in Russia in 1904. The direct translation of the word 'Stalin' is 'man of steel.' I'm not intending it to be a particularly funny comic. It has to be tragic, not because that's the fashion for superheroes, but because when you consider Russian history, it is tragic."

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ORIGINAL: furrybastard

Just to tie in with the Red Son/Millar discussion. Came across this link on Bleeding Cool, an interview with Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman in 1991 (CLICK) where Pratchett puts forward his idea for a Superman comic...

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And finally, I'm toying with the idea of a comic, but it's got nothing to do with 'Discworld'. It's called 'Stalin' and it's what would happen if Superman landed in Russia in 1904. The direct translation of the word 'Stalin' is 'man of steel.' I'm not intending it to be a particularly funny comic. It has to be tragic, not because that's the fashion for superheroes, but because when you consider Russian history, it is tragic."

Admittedly it's not the most originaly idea anyway but just interesting to note. Pratchett writing a Superman story would have been quite cool!

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ORIGINAL: darko18

I haven't read Red Son, but I love comics that turn the superhero genre on its head. Like The Runaways (follows a group of kids horrified to learn their parents are supervillains), or The Boys (follows a group of people whose job it is is to keep superheroes in line and basically clean up after them). Anyone suggest anything else along those lines?

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ORIGINAL: furrybastard


There's quite a lot of those coming out these days! Mark Waid's series Irredeemable (Superman turns evil)

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ORIGINAL: sanchia

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ORIGINAL: furrybastard


There's quite a lot of those coming out these days! Mark Waid's series Irredeemable (Superman turns evil)

I read the final issue of that the other day. Now it had been going downhill for a good few months but the ending itself was absolutely dire and a massive cliche which I have seen at least a dozen times before (in fact I think Morrison did the same thing in All Star Superman just so much better).

It is a shame because when he is at the top of his game few can reach the heights of Mark Waid.