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Planet of the Apes Sequel - 3/11/2011 8:11:23 PM

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http://www.deadline.com/2011/11/andy-serkis-closes-big-planet-of-the-apes-deal-should-fox-campaign-for-oscar/

Serkis has signed on to do the sequel to Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The movie has now taken 450 million worldwide, and recieved great critical reaction.

I am rather excited for this - wonder where they will take it. A movie without any humans? I would watch that!

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 4/11/2011 1:36:46 PM

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It'll be interesting to see where it goes. You don't really need Franco or Pinto to return, but instead focus on Caesar and his force liberating zoos all over the country whilst battling increasingly militant humans (who blame the apes for the virus).

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 4/11/2011 2:00:05 PM

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I'm excited already! ROTPOTA was amazing, one of the best films this year easy. And I hope Serkis finally gets some Oscar recognition for his work.

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 4/11/2011 3:30:31 PM

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I am def up for another. Saw the first one twice at the cinema.
But I worry how they will keep the "grounded" feel of Rise. As the hook can only get more outlandish.

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 4/11/2011 4:14:38 PM

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To keep the downbeat tone, how about the apes basically over the course of the next film become guilty of absolutely everything Caesar suffered, with Caesar becoming increasingly sidelined from the course of events as things he set in motion reach their natural conclusion. The oppressed become the oppressors, the inevitable result of revolution...

The extent of the developing tragedy mediated to the audience by the increasing world weariness of Caesar's reaction to events. The triumphy of Ape society, as far as the majority of apes are concerned, the tragedy to the (possibly revered when spoken of, in ways he would never want to be) instigator of the whole shebang.

Thus the world of the original movie into which the sixties arrived movie is more or less created. With the third film potentially executable as thee return of the spaceship referenced in 'Rise' many generations later. A descendant of Caesars (again played by Serkis) provides the viewpoint of the film, so largely from the perspective of the apes, the threat to ape society represented by the spaceman being a powerful human compared to the mute animals who remain, becomes a worry to be hunted down and destroyed.

The latter is kind of what Burton did, but set up by the previous two 'ape centric' stories would be a very different film to either that of the heston original. The spaceman would be a symbol rather than a protagonist, and cause ructions in ape society, and start to fracture. The theme being that after revolution (Rise) and ending up becoming the oppressors/established order (Triumph) the destiny of all revolutions is to become become the status quo, until the cycle turns again and you have the Fall (of the planet of the apes). With the Caesar descendant being sympathetic towards humans, and perhaps being outed as betrayer, of his kind, and the heritage of the one who started it all, his own antecedent Caesar (whose actual viewpoint has been shown in the previous two films, but been whitewashed as iconic rebel alone by the time of this episode)

There you go, trilogy sorted, social commentary laid bare, manner of keeping Caesar front and centre of everything worked out

wheres's my cheque?

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 4/11/2011 6:36:14 PM

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I'd actually like Franco and Pinto back, I liked the connection Caeser had with them.

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 4/11/2011 7:23:01 PM

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I'd actually like Franco and Pinto back, I liked the connection Caeser had with them.

I like the fact their characters are irrelevant now, especially Francos. If you assume they died in the following pandemic (not unlikely) then it really does put more emphasis on ROTPOTA being Ceasers story and everyone else just filler. I think Jobloffskis suggested story is pretty sweet, though I wonder how the planet of the apes will "fall" especially if the infection is still around- arent those astronaughts likely to die soon after landing?

Also, not all the apes have the "alzheimers vaccine" so it is likely that there will only be a few "hyper intelligent" apes, with the rest of them just swinging in the trees looking for bananas... will we see a class system in the apes? Also, will they be able to speak?!

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 4/11/2011 7:46:35 PM

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Ah, the second story would only be years after the first, the third could be centuries later, and the super intelligent apes would have bred and spread. Any humans still surviving would be by natural selection, and have become immune to the virus, and very much in the position of apes in the first film, there to be exploited, and put down if they become boisterous) . .

The spaceman/men don't have to get the virus, or even be exposed to it, if those affected by the virus have died out, maybe the virus has died out itself by then.

Everything goes full circle, throughout the whole thing, the tragedy of it all in each particular story is mediated through Caesar and then his descendant.

And if Franco is in the second one, cast someone who looks similar in the third so there is a 'visual echo' of the relationship between the two, which the one between the main spacebloke and Caesar descendent would obviously be an echo of in terms of its placement in the film and inter-species relations (easy now...).

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 7/11/2011 10:22:35 PM

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Delighted we're gonna see more. Rise breathed new life into the franchise and long may it continue.

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 10/11/2011 9:16:31 AM

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This is really great news. Lets hope they keep the tone and maybe take a few ideas on board from the Christopher Nolan school of how to reboot a franchise ....... that guy got it right.

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 10/11/2011 12:49:37 PM

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I really enjoyed RotPotA, like really enjoyed it. I originally thought it would be a massive hunk of shite, but from that second or third trailer it had me hooked and when I finally got round to seeing it, I thought it was superb. One thing I really wasnt expecting was the couple of little nods to the astronaughts leaving to Mars and being lost in space. I think that kind of thing, in lesser hands, would've been hammered home over and over, but here it was so subtle as to be almost unseen - the Missus had no fucking clue they were shown.

Anyway, as far as a sequel is concerned, I think it's obvious that Fox will pursue a bigger story showing the futher decimation of the human race juxtoposed with the futher advancement of the Apes culture. Love jobloffski's idea of Ceaser becoming more outcast than leader as the Apes become more advanced through disposition of the 'cure/virus' through Ape DNA. I don't think Franco has to return, but I wouldn't be against it, I thought he was pretty good. Looking forward to the Blu Ray of RotPotA.

Fox released two of the best films of the Summer, who would've thought it?!

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 11/11/2011 12:46:30 PM

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I think Job is right with Ceaser's Arc, it's pretty much the idea I had as well. I mean, he is called Ceaser after all.
So he raises the Apes up to greatness, but get side-lined or outright screwed over by one of his lieutenants.

I think though, that the problem will be tone. R:Apes was sorted of "grounded", but the very nature of the premise means it has to get a little more out-there with every step.

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 11/11/2011 1:09:06 PM

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Nah, just has to shift towards being the kind of society Caesar was a victim of, then become it completely for the third film (in sociological terms, not tech). Just to emphasise the circular nature of revolution type gubbins. As you may have guessed, I am particularly interested in seeing a film which has had someone raised up to iconic status and have things attributed to to them that were beyond what they originally stood for/exploited to suit particular agendas.

People praise/look to icons all the time, including Lennon, who shortly before his death expressed his distaste for people making icons of their dead heroes and the idea that people should just let their heroes be, not turn them into symbolic all encompassing figures to 'follow' somewhere that person had never intended to go themselves.

Since people do that shit all the time, I can't really think of a better way to show that in action than the third movie I suggested above, which has Caesar venerated as a mythical figure in ape history, even after the second film I suggested showing his 'revolution' overtaking him and becoming the last thing he would have wanted it to become (and perhaps this could be seen as a satire on religion too, because all iconic figures, even non-deities, become essentially 'godheads' to the people that look up to them).

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The Planet of the Apes - 11/11/2011 1:26:38 PM

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Rise of the Planet of the Apes set up a dynamic between Ceaser and Koba I can see being fully paid off in the sequel. Whilst Ceaser did his best to prevent any harm coming to humans, Koba (the sequel's primary antagonist?)was pretty blood thirsty (the attack on Franco during the climax hinted at future clashes).

They may draw comparisons to Martin Luther King Vs Malcolm X?

A power struggle between the two would make sense.

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 22/11/2011 10:20:29 AM

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Read the dvd review of 'Rise...' in the new issue yet?

I would kill to see that sequel right now, described in the extras.

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 22/11/2011 10:32:25 AM

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Yeah I saw that - "the window symbol" will be on Ape banners and Koba will serve as a political rival to Caesar.

And it'll be 8 years after the first film...

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 22/11/2011 12:13:07 PM

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Koba was the properly psycho one, right?

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 22/11/2011 12:15:51 PM

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Yeah, the scarred, bitter ape that 'offed' David Oyelowo's character.

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 2/1/2012 1:56:09 PM

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Frantically searching for sequel details...*

Has a sequel been greenlit yet?

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 2/1/2012 2:02:05 PM

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Serkis has reportedly signed a seven figure deal to return for sequels. Apparently he wasn't contractually obliged to do so, ditto with The Hobbit. He was making a killing this year!

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 2/1/2012 2:12:13 PM

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he deserves it, seems like a top bloke!

My favourite Serkis performance is in The Cottage though, he's so funny in that

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 2/1/2012 2:17:10 PM

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Serkis deserves the praise. ROTPOTA was the best blockbuster of the year. I've just decided.

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 2/1/2012 2:19:01 PM

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i prefer Fast Five, but it's definitely up there

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 2/1/2012 2:33:30 PM

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I enjoyed Fast Five but it wasn't anything special. In an age of Transformers sequels it stood out...but compare it to the stuff Bay and co were churning out in the late 90s (The Rock, Face/Off etc.) and it pales badly. Everyone was taken aback by it not being total horseshit as was expected. I'm still waiting on Dwayne Johnson getting another shot (Welcome to the Jungle was a great start) at action icon status.

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 4/1/2012 5:07:32 PM

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he deserves it, seems like a top bloke!

My favourite Serkis performance is in The Cottage though, he's so funny in that

I'm at least a decent bloke. Can I get 1 or 2 million?

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 4/1/2012 5:49:53 PM

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There's a deleted scene on the DVD with Koba finding a shotgun. Now it was just a deleted scene, but they certainly seem to have earmarked him to be a rival to Caesar. Be interesting to see how the Gorillas end up being the army, and the Orangutans being the academics, if of course, they do go down that route, as with the originals. High intrigue in the sequels whatever they do.

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RE: The Planet of the Apes - 4/1/2012 7:13:20 PM

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I enjoyed Fast Five but it wasn't anything special. In an age of Transformers sequels it stood out...but compare it to the stuff Bay and co were churning out in the late 90s (The Rock, Face/Off etc.) and it pales badly. Everyone was taken aback by it not being total horseshit as was expected. I'm still waiting on Dwayne Johnson getting another shot (Welcome to the Jungle was a great start)�at action icon status.

GI Joe Retaliation? Hopefully that'll deliver the goods

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 5/1/2012 8:16:45 PM

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I think there will be a power struggle for Caeser and a sort of possible fight back from what's left of humankind after the initial outbreak, with the humans blaming the Apes for the outbreak.

Interestingly in ROTPOTA I don't think Caesar wants Ape domination just equality for his kind and for them to live in peace alongside humans. This is were Koba comes in as a rival, hell bent on Ape domination, gaining followers to his cause.

I think Franco will be involved, he could return as a scientist trying to battle the virus but also as a mediator between Apes and Humans, facing pressure and hatred from his own kind due to being an "ape sympathiser".

Will Caesar be the eventual architect of humanitys total destruction ? I think so, I think this could be done through his relationship with Franco's character, the latter dying at the hands of his own people, pushing Caeser to take total control of the Apes, losing all sympathy for and finally exacting revenge on the last remaining resistance of humanity.

Just shooting the shit, I also like Jobloffskis Ideas. There is quite a few avenues for them to go down. Personally I don't think we will see the Spaceman, it's been done and it would be a huge gap between films. I think these films will centre around Caesar and his struggles.

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 8/1/2012 6:41:16 AM

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Got ROTPOTA on Blu-Ray for Christnas and watched it last night, It has to be one of the best transfers I've ever seen! Me and the missus were talking last night about where the sequel might go. They've clearly laid a lot of the groundwork for future installments. Koba is definitley going to become an issue for Caesar. Originally James Franco was gonna get killed off in the bridge sequence taking a bullet for Caesar but they reshot the ending. I personally wonder if they're saving this now for the next installment, maybe even have Koba being the one firing the shot. I personally hope they keep Franco in the next one, there's a lot they could do with him and his relationship with Caesar. Franco battling the virus which is rapidly taking out the majority of the human race (I reckon that a small percentage will have some sort of natural immunity to the disease but will still suffer. i.e. brain damage or devolution. It is a brain virus after all!) and maybe turns to Caesar for the cure, asking him for blood samples, etc. This creates a growing sense of doubt in his leadership amongst some of his followers. I imagine that Caesar's pack can't stay in that forest for long, they're going to have to keep moving as the army will be hunting them. Plus obvious blame for the virus is bound to fall on the ape community. Some of the apes will question why Casear is helping to save the very race that is trying to destroy them. Thus Koba rises as the leader of a faction group hellbent on complete ape domination or even human extinction, kickstarting The Battle for the Planet of the Apes!

Also, does anyne else think that since they've said this is a planned trilogy that the third film will most likely end with the missing Icarus Mars mission ship landing on the ape controlled Earth of the future?

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RE: Planet of the Apes Sequel - 8/1/2012 8:23:39 AM

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I really enjoyed Rise as it was intelligent sci-fi.

I think they can do a trilogy with Caesar and have as many films as they like before they (if ever) get to the timeline of the original movie. In fact I personally would like it so that they never get to when Taylor's spaceship lands (though perhaps the current series could end when Taylor's ship launches? We wouldn't have to see Taylor in the flesh?).

Rise had many elements of the underrated Conquest in it, and I hope we get to see a proper battle between the Apes v Humans (with us rooting for the Apes in the first sequel of course, but then probably a mixture of good apes and humans in the third movie v bad apes and bad humans).

The original movie was a classic film full of social commentary on civil rights and the cold war. Superb.

BTW I am alone in being underwhelmed by Andy Serkis? He puts on funny voices and grunts. Peter Serafinowicz did the same in The Phantom Menace along with a few others. I personally thought Gollum was irritating and King Kong... well Kong is Kong. Serkis was ok as Captain Haddock (though his Scottish accent was more insulting than Pegg's Scotty or even Mike Myers' many Scottish accents).

Anyway, looking forward to an intelligent sequel.

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