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Hall of Fame 13: Round 1

The Penalty (Worsley, 1920)

9% (3)

The Music Box (Parrot, 1932)

6% (2)

An American in Paris (Minnelli, 1951)

0% (0)

Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967)

9% (3)

Marketa Lazarova (Vlacil, 1967)

3% (1)

The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971)

12% (4)

Requiem for a Village (Gladwell, 1975)

3% (1)

Wise Blood (Huston, 1979)

3% (1)

Das Boot (Peterson, 1981)

25% (8)

Underground (Kusturica, 1995)

0% (0)

The Room (Wiseau, 2003)

3% (1)

Downfall (Hirschbiegel, 2004)

12% (4)

United 93 (Greengrass, 2006)

12% (4)

Total Votes : 32

(last vote on : 15/4/2012 7:28:34 PM)
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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 11:56:11 AM

Professor Moriarty

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ORIGINAL: elab49

Paul will be lucky to get out of this HoF alive. And he'll deserve every pitchfork prod too!

Well, the rules do state:

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ACCEPTABLE FILMS:

The whole point of this Hall of Fame is to provide an ongoing list of high quality that has been selected and voted upon with freedom of thought. There is not any reason why somebody can not choose any film that they wish; be it Citizen Kane or Howard The Duck! Council members are invited to join from all across the forum because we were looking for this diversity of choice. If one of member feels that a film is worth a place in the Hall of Fame then all Council members must at least have the courtesy and humility to give it as much benefit of doubt as they would give any other film. Ultimately, it is the council's job to whittle down the great from the good from the bad and the voting procedures (as well as intelligent debate) will do this.

So if Paul thought it was a worthy film we have to watch it. Personally its by far and away the poorest film I've ever seen. And not even in a I've had a few beers, this is on TV and I can't be bothered to turn over way. But in a way that was as physically painful as Gimli found to have to sit through it.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 12:07:40 PM

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Oh that rule. Thanks to that I've had to sit through Annie Hall and Before Sunset.

Mmmmm - better/worse than The Room?

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 1:24:56 PM

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I bet you're all waiting in a massive Lovefilm queue for Requiem for a Village.

On Blockbuster however you could just stroll right in and top ticket it

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 1:59:38 PM

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SPOILERS! LOTS OF 'EM!

Underground-Very, very good, and likely to be high up on my list. My only quibble is that the third "chapter", good as it is, felt unnecessary and almost of the "rocks fall, everyone dies" variety. I think if the second section had given Marko a "my god, what have I done" scene, had him go up in the explosion, and had Blacky drown looking for Johan, the ending would have been just as powerful. I guess it wouldn't fit the metaphor for Yugoslavia thing they had going though, and it didn't detract too much from the brilliance of everything else.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 6:39:25 PM

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United 93-The stuff aboard United 93 is good, but I was surprised at how much of the running time is given over to everyone tracking another flight. It may have been related to the events that occurred on Flight 93, and it obviously actually happened, but it did detract from the drama. Some of the cast's inexperience does shine through a bit as well; some of the people at the various air traffic controls are a bit wooden.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 7:02:47 PM

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Put it this way, when I nominate a LOTR film I'm stating it's the extended cut

Personally, I massively prefer the theatrical cut of Fellowship to the extended. The others are a bit closer, but I would generally go for the theatrical by choice.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 7:05:03 PM

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Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I can't seem to find the deadline for the first set of votes.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 7:05:40 PM

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8th Jan, I think.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 7:07:47 PM

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I will edit it into the first post, but yes it is the 8th jan. Since were giving everyone an extra week on this one for the christmas period, we really dont want to have to give any extensions, so please let us know asap if you are having some trouble to finish in time/get hold of the films

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 7:18:46 PM

Professor Moriarty

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United 93-The stuff aboard United 93 is good, but I was surprised at how much of the running time is given over to everyone tracking another flight. It may have been related to the events that occurred on Flight 93, and it obviously actually happened, but it did detract from the drama. Some of the cast's inexperience does shine through a bit as well; some of the people at the various air traffic controls are a bit wooden.

Just caught up with this one. I found it quite powerful when I first saw it, but then I'd put it off for a while because I really thought it would be emotionally draining. Second viewing removes me from that and I'm sorry to say now I see it more as a really good TV movie, than a powerful film. It has some obvious flaws. Take away the subject matter and its actually quite average.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 8:53:01 PM

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I found Marketa Lazarova on Youtube, if anybody needs a link I can PM I guess.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 9:12:00 PM

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I picked up Wise Blood this evening. A Huston film and one I didnt even know about. I'm excited. Won't get to see it until next week though :-(

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 3/11/2011 10:45:39 PM

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Why would you watch something like Marketa on youtube

I missed it in the cinemas last year

Also, apparently it's coming out on Blu in a month, so the timing is either really appropriate or inappropriate, depending on how quickly people would be able to acquire that.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 12:21:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: TRM

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Put it this way, when I nominate a LOTR film I'm stating it's the extended cut

Personally, I massively prefer the theatrical cut of Fellowship to the extended. The others are a bit closer, but I would generally go for the theatrical by choice.

Ok, I'll say people should watch whichever version they're most likely to vote for

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 12:59:17 AM

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I don't know anything about Marketa...soooo I couldn't say.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 1:10:31 AM

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Marketa Lazarova-Well, it looked gorgeous and the soundtrack was wonderful, but I found it fairly tricky to follow. While it's not a film about plot or characters, scenes that are asking me to care about people who've had maybe ten lines work badly. Certain individual scenes did stand out as some of the best in the round, but overall it was fairly disappointing. Also, everything I've read about it claims it's an examination of the Christianity/paganism clash, but I'll be buggered if I can work out how. Time permitting, a rewatch may be in order so I can work out what the film's on about.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 7:41:14 AM

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Downfall - Yes, I knew the ending. No, it didn't take anything away from the experience. Bruno Ganz deserves all the praise he receives for his role as Hitler.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 9:08:26 AM

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United 93-The stuff aboard United 93 is good, but I was surprised at how much of the running time is given over to everyone tracking another flight. It may have been related to the events that occurred on Flight 93, and it obviously actually happened, but it did detract from the drama. Some of the cast's inexperience does shine through a bit as well; some of the people at the various air traffic controls are a bit wooden.

Just caught up with this one. I found it quite powerful when I first saw it, but then I'd put it off for a while because I really thought it would be emotionally draining. Second viewing removes me from that and I'm sorry to say now I see it more as a really good TV movie, than a powerful film. It has some obvious flaws. Take away the subject matter and its actually quite average.

I would disagree with that. I think Greengrass handles the scenes on the ground really well, with a genuine sense of rising panic - and casting the real life people involved helps a great deal. I'd also disagree that if you take away the subject matter and it's quite average - you could say that about a lot of films and I don't think it's particularly true.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 9:45:37 AM

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 10:17:56 AM

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United 93-The stuff aboard United 93 is good, but I was surprised at how much of the running time is given over to everyone tracking another flight. It may have been related to the events that occurred on Flight 93, and it obviously actually happened, but it did detract from the drama. Some of the cast's inexperience does shine through a bit as well; some of the people at the various air traffic controls are a bit wooden.

Just caught up with this one. I found it quite powerful when I first saw it, but then I'd put it off for a while because I really thought it would be emotionally draining. Second viewing removes me from that and I'm sorry to say now I see it more as a really good TV movie, than a powerful film. It has some obvious flaws. Take away the subject matter and its actually quite average.

I would disagree with that. I think Greengrass handles the scenes on the ground really well, with a genuine sense of rising panic - and casting the real life people involved helps a great deal. I'd also disagree that if you take away the subject matter and it's quite average - you could say that about a lot of films and I don't think it's particularly true.

I found that the ground scenes were decent, and there is the sense of rising panic, my issue was that it removes the focus from Flight 93 itself. The first half has probably about 5 minutes of stuff on board United 93, and the rest is spent on the ground following a different plane. Even in the second half, there's cuts to people on the ground panicking that interrupt tense moments on the flight and are pretty extraneous. If the film was advertised as being about 9/11 as a whole, I'd probably not be too fussed, but to claim it's about United 93 and then to ignore it for most of the film is a real problem, I think.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 10:36:24 AM

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Again, I would disagree, I think Greengrass gets the balance just right.

There's that horrible and hugely effective moment where you realise the film hasn't cut back to what's happening on the ground for a while and the film is now staying on the plane until the end.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 10:42:17 AM

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I actually think it's the most disappointing Greengrass film because I didn't find myself caring about anything that was going on. The guy can do real life tragedy, Bloody Sunday is an incredible film, but I found very little in United 93 beyond thinking I should care more because of the subject matter. I'm hoping the rewatch will improve it somewhat.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 10:45:33 AM

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Hm, interesting, I haven't seen Bloody Sunday, how "dramatic" is it? Because I would say the thing about United 93 is that it's very matter of fact and I suppose dispassionate in a way.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 10:49:27 AM

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Matty, how do you feel about the way the good old US performers improved their way to heroism but poor old johnny foreigner is a bit of a coward? I know it's received wider criticism for that now, but I'd say that's because it's pretty obvious on screen. Reading later about how the passengers all improved their characters (so all very hagiographic - such a problem with the entire improv process generally, IMO, you end up with pretty crap scripts unless it's properly controlled by someone who can actually write and controls the egos better). But it came across as them all heroic and shit apart from the foreigner. Bad taste in mouth, no?

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 10:51:07 AM

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Yeah, that is jarring. I always thought it a bit strange that got through the editing process, really. It's a flaw, undeniably, but not enough of a one to sink the film for me.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 10:53:43 AM

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Hm, interesting, I haven't seen Bloody Sunday, how "dramatic" is it? Because I would say the thing about United 93 is that it's very matter of fact and I suppose dispassionate in a way.

It's very documentary-like. What it does have that United 93 doesn't is an absolutely astonishing piece of acting anchoring the whole thing. Jimmy Nesbitt should have won the Oscar that year, and there was a lot of pressure to get Bloody Sunday nominated but it wasn't eligible because it was made for t.v.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 10:56:09 AM

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I'd say matter of fact applies to Bloody Sunday too - part of the reason I was so disappointed with U93 is that superficially it is a similar approach and I was expecting a similar quality of film and of engagement. But it just failed in all aspects. Bloody SUnday however is massively affecting and brilliantly put together.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 11:00:19 AM

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Matty, how do you feel about the way the good old US performers improved their way to heroism but poor old johnny foreigner is a bit of a coward?

Regarding this, it's worth pointing out that while it might seem insane now, official policy on all airlines prior to 9/11 was that passengers should not interfere if there is a hijacking, under the assumption that if the hijackers intended to blow up the plane they'd have already done so, and dealing with hijackers should be left to professionals. I do agree that there should have been more than one person against the plan, or that he'd have wised up after learning that the plans hit the WTC.

And regarding the balance between stuff on the ground and in the air, it just didn't sit well with me. It's things like a five-minute cutaway to people finding out about the Rules of Engagement and trying to find a military liason slap bang in the middle of the scenes after the plane's been taken over, and it dilutes the impact.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 11:38:37 AM

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Finally, somebody said something positive about my nomination.

I'm watching Downfall tonight. This and Das Boot are the ones I'm really itching to watch.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 4/11/2011 11:47:06 AM

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Bonnie and Clyde. My mother has almost no view on films at all. Apart from she cries when Carve Her Name in Pride is on (but don't we all), loves Dr Zhivago (but its too long really) and tells me how disappointed she was when she saw B&C at the cinema because it was meant to be the best film ever. So every time this is on I can't help thinking "What were you on woman!".

I like the film. I don't think its the best of its type - step forward Badlands. And I think morally you could argue about the glorification of the Parker team, even if they do get what's coming to them. But its a film I enjoy, particularly Michael J. Pollard's CW Moss.

EDIT: This always happens to me. I watch B&C and I have a massive hankering to watch Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

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