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Hall of Fame 13: Round 1


The Penalty (Worsley, 1920)
  9% (3)
The Music Box (Parrot, 1932)
  6% (2)
An American in Paris (Minnelli, 1951)
  0% (0)
Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967)
  9% (3)
Marketa Lazarova (Vlacil, 1967)
  3% (1)
The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971)
  12% (4)
Requiem for a Village (Gladwell, 1975)
  3% (1)
Wise Blood (Huston, 1979)
  3% (1)
Das Boot (Peterson, 1981)
  25% (8)
Underground (Kusturica, 1995)
  0% (0)
The Room (Wiseau, 2003)
  3% (1)
Downfall (Hirschbiegel, 2004)
  12% (4)
United 93 (Greengrass, 2006)
  12% (4)


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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 8:36:55 AM   
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Sorry, justin

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Wise Blood, I recorded it last Christmas but haven't seen it yet. At the time I didn't think I'd ever seen it but now that picture brings back memories, By database says I saw it almost 6 years ago, back in November 2005. I gave it 2 stars.







Surely such blatant touting for votes is banned?!?!



Banned or not, she may have done the job already



I've no idea what either of you are discussing, I was merely using an appropriate picture to express my dismay at such a harsh rating.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 10:24:07 AM   
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The Room-Anyone who doesn't like this is just a chicken, cheeeep cheep cheep cheep.

More seriously, while some bits of it (ie-Anything with Tommy Wiseau) crossed the line from bad to hilarious, everything else is just plain bad. Even though there are some moments that had me in hysterics, and plenty of endlessly quotable dialogue, it is still a bad film.

Oh, and The Nostalgia Critic's review of the film is also pretty damn funny:
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/25743-the-room

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 10:47:07 AM   
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I watched my first film of the round last night. Downfall. This was my second viewing of the film. And my opinion is pretty much as it was the first time around.

The film is an extremely competent piece, its interestingly set and by having Hitler as one of the characters on view rather than the main show, it works very well. It is (as far as I know) relatively accurate and its a very commendable piece. So I really should love it. But I feel I just know the story. Before my first viewing, I was "up" on what happened in the final days before the fall of Berlin, Hitler's mental and other illnesses, the behaviour of the Goebbels family. So, I'm seeing a story well put together and visualised, but for me its only a dramatization of events I already know. And you could ask what else is the film going to be able to achieve such that it is a historical and biographical piece. Rebel's blurb suggests that this is a thought-provoking film on man's inhumanity to man. I'd argue that a better piece in a similar vein was the TV movie "Conspiracy".

EDIT: Just re-reading that and I might sound a touch harsh. For example there are some bits that work really well, like Hitler saying that if Germany is lost then the people may as well all die as far as he cares. And him showing affection to the German boys he is about to send out on these suicide missions to try to hold back the Russian troops.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 11:42:53 AM   
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I know this is reducing what you said a bit, but isn't that close to suggesting that if you know a piece of history well, then no film will ever really work in partially recreating it though? Or, I've read about TE Lawrence, have a fair idea of his exploits, but Lawrence is really only a dramatisation of events I already know, so beyond history and biographical, what?

I can get really ticked off if the history is annoyingly bad though, but being similarly pretty much OK with the ending of WWII and events in Berlin I don't think that ever really impacted on my viewing, apart from it being done so well I wasn't taken out of the film by an annoying jar in terms of presentation. So maybe that's the kind of opposite to what you say as it's more in the way of taking me out, than affecting what I'm looking for going in.

Conspiracy vs Downfall? Thematically I'd say you're probably right (although the fate of the Goebbels kids still badly gets me in the guts) - the dispassionate matter-of-factness of Conspiracy is very powerful indeed.


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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 11:51:19 AM   
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The Room - dear god, that's awful. Hilarious, but dreadful in every single respect.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 12:02:33 PM   
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I know this is reducing what you said a bit, but isn't that close to suggesting that if you know a piece of history well, then no film will ever really work in partially recreating it though? Or, I've read about TE Lawrence, have a fair idea of his exploits, but Lawrence is really only a dramatisation of events I already know, so beyond history and biographical, what?



This is bang on. And I consider my own stance on Downfall to be more my problem than the film's. I know about the fate of the Goebbels family so when I'm watching it I'm more wondering "will they and how will they approach that bit" than being powerfully affected when it happens. I do however think that Lawrence manages to lift the whole story out of the book remarkably and adds a lot.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 12:13:45 PM   
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I reckon that since everybody knows generally how Downfall's going to end, it's the presentation of the events rather than the events themselves that make it so powerful-the calmness on the face of Mrs. Goebbels (Her actual name escapes me) during that scene and the way the film doesn't sensationalise it by adding melodramatic music or something makes it affecting even if you know it's going to happen. The same could apply to Hitler's fate-a lesser film would either show the suicide, or have something of a "ding-dong, the witch is dead" scene shortly afterwards-instead Downfall shows the discovery and burning of the bodies with an almost documentary realism, and that makes it both more real and almost perversely affecting-not because we grow to like Hitler, but because the film has shown Hitler's mental breakdown that led to that decision.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 12:14:21 PM   
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Prof - maybe it is kind of the film too, then? If it had captured you completely and wholly absorbed your attention, the other bit of your mind might not be analysing it in quite that way? 

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 12:23:18 PM   
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That's a fair point, it is one of those films that immerses me every time I watch it; the only time I've watched it with my critical eye on was when I had to analyse it for Uni (and it still held up, which cemented it as one of my favourites.)

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 12:29:55 PM   
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Sorry - I edited because I was responding to Prof and didn't see your post till afterwards, Rebel. Although I agree with what you say - I think it's a great film. It just has the misfortune to come up against a film that is in my top 5 or so  for WWII

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 12:35:26 PM   
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It is unfortunate that Das Boot has come out in the same round (personally, I don't see another winner, but I've not watched all the films yet and I could see Bogdanovich getting some love).

What is your other top WW2 films, elab. Where Eagles Dare?

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 12:51:40 PM   
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I'd to check my list, because most aren't war/war films per se. A Canterbury Tale is the highest, and Blimp is above Das Boot too. Two Melville - Silence de la Mer and Army of Shadows. Shop on Main Street and Kanal. Das Boot is the highest war/war one as opposed to tangential concerns, critiques and resistance stories though.

And you know I'll always have Guns of Navarone higher than Where Eagles Dare!


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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:16:52 PM   
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The Room-Anyone who doesn't like this is just a chicken, cheeeep cheep cheep cheep.

More seriously, while some bits of it (ie-Anything with Tommy Wiseau) crossed the line from bad to hilarious, everything else is just plain bad. Even though there are some moments that had me in hysterics, and plenty of endlessly quotable dialogue, it is still a bad film.



I've been incredibly harsh on the film in the past (and got yelled at last time for calling the huge fanbase a forced cult ). Rewatching it now, Wiseau is pretty much the best part of the film, I agree. He's abysmal, but at least there's some genuine comedic value in his performance. The rest of the film, I just don't find it funny. The trouble with bad films is they can only work as comedies, so like most comedies you either find them funny or you don't. For the most part, it's not funny to me, and too much of it feels like a really bad spoof when it's not intended to be (fuck what they say now, this was meant to be a drama) There are some killer lines though. Cut about 30 minutes from the film and I think it would have been far funnier.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:22:26 PM   
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The Room seems to be up in full on Youtube, just sent pms to Matty, Gimli, Rebel and MC with the link, anyone else needs it then let me know. 


Can someone send me that. I'm away Wednesday evening and think I should be able to squeeze in a viewing. Thanks in advance :-)

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:24:58 PM   
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The Room seems to be up in full on Youtube, just sent pms to Matty, Gimli, Rebel and MC with the link, anyone else needs it then let me know. 


Can someone send me that. I'm away Wednesday evening and think I should be able to squeeze in a viewing. Thanks in advance :-)


Done.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:26:47 PM   
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The Penalty-Wow. I mean, wow. This is easily the best silent film I've ever seen. Everyone should drop everything and go watch it.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:27:34 PM   
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Rather brilliant, innit? 

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:30:04 PM   
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To put it mildly. It's vying with Downfall for my current No. 1.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:32:02 PM   
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This is pretty much the definition of what's great about the HoF 

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:33:43 PM   
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As good as The Penalty is, The Unknown is even better.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:38:40 PM   
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Thanks Rebel.

And very pleased to hear that The Penalty was well received. The Unknown is another peerless silent performance by Lon Chaney and its only an hour long if you fancy it, but really I don't think he puts in a bad turn as any of his characters http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0018528/

If you liked the theme then Lang's 1928 Spione is similar http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019415/

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:42:08 PM   
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As good as The Penalty is, The Unknown is even better.



Beaten to the draw by rawly. I thought long and hard about which Chaney to put forward. For example, Joan Crawford (I think) described Chaney's performance in that as the best she'd ever seen. I think Browning is a better director. And the cigarette lighting scene is just awesome. But I thought as a piece of entertainment, people might just enjoy The Penalty more. Still my motivation is achieved, I've got someone else to see the brilliance of Chaney, no matter now which film I picked or how far it goes.

Plus, don't you love the dialogue for a silent film?
"If there is enough of me"
"I can murder anything, but not music"
"Laughter burns a cripple like acid"

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:43:36 PM   
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Thanks for the recommendations guys, I'll have to keep an eye out for The Unknown then, although annoyingly Lovefilm, Youtube and Amazon don't have it.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:47:36 PM   
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The Unknown is on YouTube.

Edit: Or not, sorry.

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:49:09 PM   
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You should find it easy enough on Youtube - pretty sure it used to be up there.

And at least Crawford was better at judging good performances than she was ever capable of giving one.


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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:50:15 PM   
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You should find it easy enough on Youtube - pretty sure it used to be up there.

And at least Crawford was better at judging good performances than she was ever capable of giving one
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WBros have taken it down.


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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:50:58 PM   
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Thanks for the recommendations guys, I'll have to keep an eye out for The Unknown then, although annoyingly Lovefilm, Youtube and Amazon don't have it.


Ah yes. I think that was another reason I didn't put it forwards

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:53:45 PM   
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Does this outpouring of love for silent movies and HoF long film nominations mean that I can happily stick in Gance's Napoleon next round

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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 1:58:28 PM   
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You should find it easy enough on Youtube - pretty sure it used to be up there.

And at least Crawford was better at judging good performances than she was ever capable of giving one
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WBros have taken it down.



Evil gits. Although you can get it in the Lon Chaney Collection import. Bit over the price limit for the HoF sadly,


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RE: Hall of Fame 13: Round 1 - 1/11/2011 2:01:38 PM   
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Does this outpouring of love for silent movies and HoF long film nominations mean that I can happily stick in Gance's Napoleon next round


I'll put forward Dr. Mabuse the Gambler.



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