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HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 24/10/2011 1:37:24 AM

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I've been a fan of Hellblazer for some time now, people unfamiliar with the comic might know him from the movie adaption that Hollywood did called Constantine staring Keanu Reeves (if your a comic nut like me, you'll already know!) more on the movie later.

My love of Hellblazer started some years ago when i read Deadly Habits by Garth Ennis; it was one of the greatest Hellblazer stories i read, in fact, one of the greatest graphic novels period!

Constantine is the ultimate bad ass; he's an exorcist (of sorts!) that hates his day job (or night job!); has a knack for pissing off demons and generally being a wisecracking 'dont give a shit' guy, in a word - a REAL hero and my sort of guy!! His first appearance was in The Swamp Thing, as a side character. Eventually, the writers thought he had potential and gave him a whole series of his own!! And thats how our anti-hero was born!!!!

DEADLY HABITS; which most Hellblazer aficianado's consider to be the best Hellblazer title, as i stated as a favourite of mine. The story revolves around our hero who after smoking non stop since he was a teenager, his now got the big C. And instead of facing his fate, what does Constatine do? He decides to call on all his demonic foes for a 'favour'!! In order to extend his life, Constantine offers his soul to Satan, but of course, knowing him he has other things on his mind!! The story is simply brilliant, well written with humour and wit, not to mention tension to boot, and once started, you cannot put it down until you finish it!!

Alongside Batman, and Rorshach from Watchmen, he is one of my favourite comic book characters.

I have become such a big fan of this groundbreaking series that whenever i see a Hellblazer title, i have to read it ASAP!! The stories are simply un-put-downable!

As for the movie, well, the first mistake was getting Keanu Reeves to play him, second, Constantine is British, not freakin American!! Also in the comics he's blonde, NOT dark haired as in the movies. And Shia Le Beef as his sidekick Chas???? Come on!!! In the comics Chas is more older, and not a teenage muppet like Shia (no offence my robot loving friend!!) As a stand alone film it is not too bad, but not a patch on the comics it is based upon.

I hope if they do make another adaption, THEY KEEP IT BRITISH!!!

Anyhow, i urge all comic book fans to read Deadly habits, it is in my top 10 graphic novels list, and you never know, it might end up in yours!!!

Any Hellblazer fans out there??? Please feel free to indulge!!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 24/10/2011 1:44:25 AM

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I'll be buying the Original Sins TPB this week and'll let you know what I thought. Enjoyed John in Moore's Swamp Thing issues, high hopes.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 24/10/2011 2:48:01 AM

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I'll be buying the Original Sins TPB this week and'll let you know what I thought. Enjoyed John in Moore's Swamp Thing issues, high hopes.

Great choice mate!!! Please tell me how it went...

My last book was 'India' where John travels to India (duh!) to rid a town of a pesky demon!! Although its not as straight forward as that!! Its a veru good read indeed!!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 24/10/2011 10:27:04 AM

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If they make another film version I think someone like Paul Bettany would be a good choice as long as he can do the accent also hope they pronounce the name properly Constanteen it is not.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 24/10/2011 3:02:54 PM

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If they make another film version I think someone like Paul Bettany would be a good choice as long as he can do the accent also hope they pronounce the name properly Constanteen it is not.

Hmm? Paul Bettany ? He is not a bad actor, in fact a rather good one but i dont know if he has the 'rough edges' what is required for a rogue like Constantine? He is British though, well Daniel Craig looks a tad like Constantine, if you squint that is!! I'll have to get back on this one. I'll give it a thought, see which British actorwould best fill John's boots!!!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 25/10/2011 12:17:24 AM

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I've read up until the end of Mike Carey's run (so around #215). I think the title, bar the odd great issue or short run, has lacked a lot of its former vitality and impact. I think when Warren Ellis was censored and left the title, that was the beginning of the end. I've heard Milligan's current run is good.

I'd love to see someone like John Smith (who has written one very good issue so far!) or Si Spurrier take over. And maybe am artist like Laurence Campbell or Edmund Bagwell would help a lot too

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 25/10/2011 11:22:12 AM

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Maybe Robert Carlisle i've seen him do various British accents before though he could also play either of the 2 male leads if they ever did get around to making a Preacher movie.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 25/10/2011 11:38:22 AM

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Well, Alan Moore always said he envisioned Constantine as Sting in a trenchcoat, but after watching Mr Sumner's on-screen performances so far, I'd rather he stuck to singing and bass playing! If John ever makes it back to the big screen, then I hope they at least return him to his English roots, especially since England and particularly London plays such a central role in the stories. Actually, Daniel Craig isn't a bad suggestion - he's certainly got that rough edge and lived-in look to him that the character needs.

As for the title itself, I agree with the Furry one - after Carey's run it kinda lost direction. Peter Milligan's appointment was a bit of a return to form, but it's still not the Constantine that I knew and loved from the good old days of the first 200 or so issues. Still not sure of his cross-over into the DCU again either in Justice League Dark

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 25/10/2011 1:57:31 PM

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Maybe Robert Carlisle i've seen him do various British accents before though he could also play either of the 2 male leads if they ever did get around to making a Preacher movie.

Carlisle IS British!! I think you mean ENGLISH?!!!!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 25/10/2011 2:07:43 PM

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Well, Alan Moore always said he envisioned Constantine as Sting in a trenchcoat, but after watching Mr Sumner's on-screen performances so far, I'd rather he stuck to singing and bass playing!� If John ever makes it back to the big screen, then I hope they at least�return him to his English roots, especially since England and particularly London plays such a central role in the stories.� Actually, Daniel Craig isn't a bad suggestion - he's certainly got that rough edge and lived-in look�to him that the character needs.

As for the title itself, I agree with the Furry one - after Carey's run it kinda lost direction.� Peter Milligan's appointment was a bit of a return to form, but it's still not the Constantine that I knew and loved from the good old days of the first 200 or so�issues.� Still not sure of his cross-over into the DCU again either in Justice League Dark

STING IN A TRENCHCOAT?!!! Wow!! I didnt know that!! The reason i say this is if you look at some if not most of Constantine's artistic renderings ' he DOES look like Sting in a trenchcoat!!!!

And yes, if they do make another adaption, i truly hope they make him BRITISH as he was supposed to be, not some surfer dude who has as much charm and charisma as a plant! (sorry all Keanu Reeve fans!! I dont hold any grudge against the man, in fact i quite like him; some films are perfect for him like Point Break and The Matrix, unfortunatly, Constantine was NOT one of them !)

I also hated those stupid half headed demons - so unimaginative. In the comics you had all varities of demons, some very demented ones as well!! And Lucifer was totally wrong, dont get me started on his son!! Truly abysmal!! There were some nice touches like the gateway through to hell via a black cat and a cauldron full of water.....John Francis' direction was quite sleek and stylish, i liked the view of LA as a noirish dark heart brimming underneath with angels and demons or halfbreeds. But overall, the film was a major dissapointment.

The charm about the comics ARE the British locations, such as London, Newcastle, etc. Theres a lot of history in these cities. Part of Hellblazers character IS the surroundings. All that was lost in translation. A huge dissapointment!!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 26/10/2011 1:33:04 PM

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I know my bad

. This comes of years of having it drummed in to me were not English were British.
Actually he reminds me of an 80s Rutger Hauer aka Blade Runner & The Hicher

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 26/10/2011 1:52:48 PM

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STING IN A TRENCHCOAT?!!! Wow!! I didnt know that!! The reason i say this is if you look at some if not most of Constantine's artistic renderings ' he DOES look like Sting in a trenchcoat!!!!

For example:

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I also hated those stupid half headed demons - so unimaginative. In the comics you had all varities of demons, some very demented ones as well!! And Lucifer was totally wrong, dont get me started on his son!! Truly abysmal!! There were some nice touches like the gateway through to hell via a black cat and a cauldron full of water.....John Francis' direction was quite sleek and stylish, i liked the view of LA as a noirish dark heart brimming underneath with angels and demons or halfbreeds. But overall, the film was a major dissapointment.

My problem with Constantine (apart from the obvious fundamental flaws with the lead and Chas) was that it was such a missed opportunity. Like you said, it showed hints of greatness at times, the plot was "Hellblazer-esque" enough to fit the character, the direction was pretty damn good, it was well stylised (Hell looked great, though I agree that a bit of variety in demons would have been welcome) and there were even a few shocks at times (the first death after the guy found the spear was great!). And yes, Lucifer was no First of the Fallen, but I loved Stormare's portrayal anyway. On top of all that, seeing the Vertigo logo in the opening credits put one hell of a smile on my face

Pity they got it so wrong on the basics

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 26/10/2011 3:16:52 PM

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I've gone through the first 20-something in the last week. The Fear Machine was great - the rest seem fairly hit-and-miss.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 26/10/2011 7:05:07 PM

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Delano's stuff does fall foul of that early vertigo tendency of very po-faced, verbose, social realist kind of stuff. I like his first couple of issues and there's a great one off by Neil Gaiman in there too. But I didn't really enjoy his stuff until around #30, whenever the Family Man story starts.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 26/10/2011 7:27:41 PM

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I know my bad . This comes of years of having it drummed in to me were not English were British.
Actually he reminds me of an 80s Rutger Hauer aka Blade Runner & The Hicher

RUTGER HAUER? Good one mate!! Because you are very right - Johny boy does look a tad like 'Roy Batty'!! I think we should open a Constantine look-a-like thread!! LOL!!

Constantine does have that very cool Hauer-esque / Sting look, which is all the more infuriating when you look at how Hollywood got it so wrong!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 26/10/2011 7:33:29 PM

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My problem with Constantine (apart from the obvious fundamental flaws with the lead and Chas) was that it was such a missed opportunity.� Like you said, it showed hints of greatness at times, the plot was "Hellblazer-esque" enough to fit the character, the direction was pretty damn good, it was well stylised (Hell looked great, though I agree that a bit of variety in demons would have been welcome)�and there were even a few shocks at times (the first death after the guy found the spear was great!).� And yes, Lucifer was no First of the Fallen, but I loved Stormare's portrayal anyway.� On top of all that, seeing the Vertigo logo in the opening credits put one hell of�a smile on my face �Pity they got it so wrong on the basics

Yep. That Vertigo logo bought a smile to my face too when i caught it at the Cinema, along with V for Vendetta another Vertigo title!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 26/10/2011 7:44:18 PM

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V For Vendetta predates Vertigo by a good few years actually.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 26/10/2011 8:36:33 PM

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V For Vendetta predates Vertigo by a good few years actually.

Yes it does. But that didnt stop Warner Bros/DC putting the 'Vertigo' stamp on the movie though!

Talking of V, just ordered it online a few minutes ago (Play.com �9.09)!! I borrowed it from my local library a year ago but couldnt get the time to read it. But dont know where i'll fit it in though, seeing as i'm still reading MAUS and FROM HELL back to back!!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 27/10/2011 6:40:17 AM

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Maus is cracking as well. I had it and V for three years before I read them, then did it in one sitting and loved it. I finished Tom Strong the other day but to be honest once I'd done with it I realised how little I'd enjoyed it, so I stuck it on ebay this morning. Gonna read that Hellblazer book I was on about tomorrow, look forward to discussing it.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 27/10/2011 1:21:12 PM

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I'd like someone like Duncan Jones or Guillermo Del Toro to do it someone who can make a $50million budget look like a $100million+ film.
Also if Richard E Grant's character in Withnail & I had White hair he'd be the spitting image plus he wears a long coat?

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 27/10/2011 8:51:29 PM

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I'd like someone like Duncan Jones or Guillermo Del Toro to do it someone who can make a $50million budget look like a $100million+ film.
Also if Richard E Grant's character in Withnail & I had White hair he'd be the spitting image plus he wears a long coat?

DUNCAN JONES? Now there's a thought! Honestly, after Nolan, he seems like the most exciting British prospect (well Nolan HAS cemented his name as a prodigy pretty much). I love MOON, the way he shot it, the use of effects it made it look more expensive than it is. I hear he's shooting a another sci-fi flick? Anyhow, Duncan Jones would be a good name. And dont get me started on Guillermo!! That man is A FUCKING LEGEND!! He knows his stuff, also being a comic book geek helps!

As for Richard E. Grant, well, erm, no comment!! LOL!! Actually, i know where your coming from! God, i so wish someone had the balls to do a PROPER Hellblazer film. If done correctly, it could become a brilliant film!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 27/10/2011 9:00:32 PM

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Maus is cracking as well. I had it and V for three years before I read them, then did it in one sitting and loved it. I finished Tom Strong the other day but to be honest once I'd done with it I realised how little I'd enjoyed it, so I stuck it on ebay this morning. Gonna read that Hellblazer book I was on about tomorrow, look forward to discussing it.�

Yess MAUS is truly a special read. Very moving and heartfelt. Vladeks account (to his son) of his time at Aushwitz is so harrowing, its mindboggling how human's can steep so low and treat their fellow human beings with such contempt and hate

. MAUS has easily entered my top 10 list of graphic novels....

Also, Tom Strong. I agree, its not what i thought it would be. I read it some time ago, and the mere fact i've forgotten much of the plot/story tells you everything!!!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 29/10/2011 10:15:22 PM

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Reading Hellblazer Family Man at the moment,i've been reading Hellblazer for so long, and yet i forgot to pick up this little gem? I must be insane! Anyway, looks promising..will keep you updated...

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 31/10/2011 10:15:50 PM

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Like a lot of people I started with Garth Ennis' stuff. Dangerous Habits first - which remains the book I would recommend to people new to Constantine. The artwork might look a little dull (which is really down to it being coloured very dully) but the story and the characters and dialogue are magnificent.

I'm not sure how easily available Ennis' run is now. I think it was never even collected properly. I only have the graphic novels so am missing a chunk of issues in between.

I've since began reading Delano's stuff and read The Fear Machine last. I do find it a bit overly verbose like furrybastard said. Some of the issues are like being hit over the head with a book of student poetry or something. Ennis' run is much more based in the characters and as Warren Ellis says the real horror that ordinary people can commit.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 31/10/2011 11:20:55 PM

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Delano's stuff does fall foul of that early vertigo tendency of very po-faced, verbose, social realist kind of stuff. I like his first couple of issues and there's a great one off by Neil Gaiman in there too. But I didn't really enjoy his stuff until around #30, whenever the Family Man story starts

I quite liked The Family Man by Delano, you got a lot of backstory on Constantine. I especiially liked the awkard relationship he had with his old man and how he used magic to cripple his bitter ass

The story was well written, liked the shocking aspect of the serial killer, and the cat and mouse between John and the the old codger/killer! Constantine was truly spooked by him; ''demons i can handle, this problems strictly human''!!!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 1/11/2011 2:23:16 AM

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Agreed. I think the Family Man story worked well because it was in contrast to the previous two years' worth of stories where John seemed to be wandering almost aimlessly. It gave him a strong antagonist and 'goal' whilst also delving into the characters' history.

I think Dead Boy's Heart follows that, and that really is a brilliant Hellblazer story. #30-#40 is Delano's best stuff, right before Ennis takes over.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 1/11/2011 12:53:28 PM

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Speaking of Delano what's he up to know? as haven't heard his name in a while.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 1/11/2011 1:02:05 PM

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He's been very quiet for the last couple of years; I think he did some work for Avatar about 3 years ago but can't recall anything after that.

Out of interest, have any of you Hellblazer fans read Warren Ellis's Gravel? Kinda like the bastard son of Constantine and The Boys' Billy Butcher, William Gravel is an ex-SAS "combat magician" responsible for keeping both magic and magicians in line. It's definitely worth a read, especially if you're after more Constantine-like stories. Check out the earlier Strange Kiss/Strange Killings collections too for his first appearances.

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 2/11/2011 1:53:37 PM

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He did something for Avatar a while back that I read called Narcopolis, didn't think it was great though. Reminded me a bit of Morrison's The Filth or John Smith's 'better than everything else that tries to be like it' Indigo Prime

I've read all the stuff before the Gravel ongoing series and some of it is decent. There does seem to be elements of Constantine in the character alright. I'll get started on the Gravel series soon enough!

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RE: HELLBLAZER: JOHN CONSTANTINE - 10/11/2011 3:12:11 AM

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I've started reading this recently, I'm only four issues in as I've just started work and Delano's writing is dense. I really enjoy his writing actually, I mean I acknowledge that it's ludicrously overwritten (the line "despair hurls its nebulous weight at walls of incomprehension" is as pretty as it is clunky: I can't decide if I love it or hate it), but it seems to suit John. He's got poetry in his soul. The stories are interesting and so far I'm thoroughly enjoying it. The art's nice too, I like that messy late 80s style quite a bit.

Kinda wishing I'd bought the older TPB though, with the Dave McKean cover. The newer edition that I've bought has the two Swampy issues but not the introduction (god I love an introduction) and the covers have all been relegated to the back, plus the new Jim Lee cover doesn't suit the artwork at all and makes it look like John's got wings. Still, I'll be picking up the new version of Devil You Know next month, then taking it from there.

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