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We Need To Talk About Kevin - 21/10/2011 2:17:52 AM   
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Great Film - 21/10/2011 2:17:52 AM   
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Just back from this, really interesting piece. Definitely not one for the Real Steel crowd but if you like solid performances (Swinton is excellent as the tortured soul) and dark arthouse thrillers then this is your ticket. 4/5

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RE: Great Film - 21/10/2011 2:51:16 AM   
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Amazing film, truly dark and unsettling and a contradictory breath of fresh air because of it. Real!
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RE: Great Film - 21/10/2011 3:48:44 PM   
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I started reading the book over the summer but didn't get very far into it. It's a dense piece and I was slightly concerned about how such a strong first person narrative with memory flashbacks would translate onto film. Well, in short it's very bleak and those flashbacks are witnessed through a quite artistic tone at the start, which takes a bit of getting used to, however once it hits its stride this film is devastating. It's an uncomfortable watch which is less about the psychotic Kevin and more about the nature of motherhood and a mother's love. A chilling twist and an ending which is implied rather than clearly stated make this one which stays with you long after the end credits rolled. Well worth your time.

Overall: 5/5

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Kevin - blighted by an abnormal passage through the ana... - 23/10/2011 3:31:05 PM   
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The title paying homage to the Freudian stages of development. One can tell from the onset that Eva is a somewhat melancholy soul, somewhat ironically employed as a travel writer yet seeming to embody the antithesis of the free spirit one would expect. Ultimately the film seems to ask the question 'to what extent are the parents to blame for Colombine-style massacres?' Also ironically, the passion for the arrows started by Kevin's father, along with the daughter, two of the more 'normal' characters in the film. The artiness may grate with some people, the purpose of the tomato throwing festival at the start of the film is a little unclear. This is not joyful Friday night viewing but essential cinema unless 'Monte Carlo' represents intellectual parity.

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RE: Kevin - blighted by an abnormal passage through the... - 23/10/2011 9:18:59 PM   
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Film of the year for me. Tilda Swinton is fantastic. I felt a real sense of unease all the way through watching it despite knowing the 'plot' beforehand.

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RE: Kevin - blighted by an abnormal passage through the... - 26/10/2011 1:29:58 PM   
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Though I enjoyed Swinton's performance wasn't that overly anamoured with it as a whole though have to admit I was rather tired when I went to see it so will await it's showing on dvd before toally making up my mind.
3/5

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RE: Kevin - blighted by an abnormal passage through the... - 28/10/2011 11:26:53 AM   
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I felt there was too much emphasis on the artistic features of the film...

I would have preferred more insight into Kevin's life, but then again it is told from Eva's perspective..

A good film, but I felt it did not do the book justice.

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RE: Kevin - blighted by an abnormal passage through the... - 30/10/2011 11:03:47 PM   
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As usual [this always seems to happen to me] I didn't quite catch what Kevin said at the end of the film [which I assume was quite important]. Didn't find it as gripping as Tyrannosaur and found it far too bleak [ok; I knew it wasn't going to be a barrel of laughs]. However, I can watch Tilda Swinton in anything, which reminds me that I have Orlando on a very old video which I've never got round to watching. If I'm honest, I was expecting more, but it could be a case of too much expectation? Probably the most unsettling film I've seen since Tideland [which I wish I'd never seen].

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RE: We Need To Talk About Kevin - 31/10/2011 12:07:36 PM   
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Watched this last night in a packed cinema and although a few people walked out after 20 minutes (probably be happier with Johnny English Reborn) I'm pleased to report that the rest of the cinema sat in quiet awe throughout the film. A truly tremendous film, stunningly shot, paced and edited. Outstanding performances throughout which built to a pitch perfect finale between mother and son.
5 out of 5

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RE: We Need To Talk About Kevin - 4/11/2011 11:43:54 PM   
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Much more of a lurid folk tale than a real-world deconstruction of an outrage.  Which was nice.  While it’s not wholly, but fairly dismissive of the grandstand tragedy that lynchpins the film it’s still an approach that might not be entirely responsible, it might put the families of Columbine off their pick and mix for instance.  Being a cynical person, I however completely enjoined with Kevin’s alt-agenda of satirising PC parenting of the middle-classes and more importantly, New Age hippy assumptions of the preternatural bond between mother and child.  Inexplicably, what we have here is a preternatural, almost primordial antipathy between first born and ‘Mummer’.  It’s The Omen from the Book of Darwin and Tilda Swinton is utterly fantastic as the begrudging but willingly stoic new mum.  It’s perhaps a bit of a fallacy to say there’s another performance in the film worth remark.  John C. Reilly does his John C. Reilly thing.  Yes, Ezra Miller as Kevin is striking, but it’s quite evidently schtick (not a criticism of the actor as such, he’s playing a character who in turn is playing a broad schtick of monstrous idiom, which becomes perhaps too self-enjoyed by the end).

The origami narrative (all accounts prescribed by Shriver’s novel) is extremely well done.  This kind of fractious structure might be all the rage in yer modern serious-minded fill-um but it needs expert handling and if it wasn’t there a chronological essaying would park this in Made-for-TV melodrama territory.  Lynne Ramsay has a satisfying, forceful arrest of the imagery but is perhaps a tad too fond of a visual metaphor.  The motif of food, and food stuffs, representing corporeal destruction gets less clever each time it’s repeated.  The film will make you want to go to a Q&A with Ramsay, put your hand up and ask “what does red men in context of the film” and when she takes ten minutes to say “blood” you might want to put your hand up again and ask “what’s a metaphor?” (Well, that’s the type of time-wasting stuff I like to be at).  I won’t explain it here but there’s also something in the full denouement that I feel misinforms the whole depiction of Swinton’s character from the beginning.   Something that I would argue should have been addressed in the film.

Flawed, but highly watchable, much more blackly comic than I was lead to believe, a really high 4 from me.

4/5



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RE: We Need To Talk About Kevin - 5/11/2011 2:45:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: demoncleaner

It’s The Omen from the Book of Darwin



Genius quote is genius. Did you come up with that and can I have it?

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RE: We Need To Talk About Kevin - 5/11/2011 3:39:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron


quote:

ORIGINAL: demoncleaner

It's The Omen from the Book of Darwin



Genius quote is genius. Did you come up with that and can I have it?


Yes I did, and yes you can...and of course we can be friends

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- 1/3/2012 11:43:47 PM   
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The biggest overrated art-house horror bullshit ever.

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Quite simply astonishing. - 3/3/2012 9:17:12 PM   
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Tilda Swinton is an actress that I've never really held in high regard. She's always been good in whatever she's been in, but I've never seen her as a 'carrier'. An actor/actress who can carry a movie single-handedly.
She doesn't do that here, after all Ezra Miller is bewilderingly haunting, and John C.Reilly is quietly exceptional, but she is absolutely phenomenal as the tormented mother to a Damien-esque bastard of a son.
The direction is subtle, the cinematography beautifully washed-out and the scripting sensational. That this is adapted from a book, a book from which no one thought a movie could come at that, is astonishing.
It isn't easy to watch - there are similarities with Columbine that the audiences Stateside might find a tad insensitive and there are some very tricky questions here: after all, how much are the parents to blame for a massacre committed by a teenager? But, if you can get past the darkly disturbing nature of the storyline, this is filmmaking at it's exceptional best - disturbing, thought-provoking and brilliantly watchable all in one.
Stunning.

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- 4/3/2012 12:32:18 PM   
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essentially an art house version of the omen. Reminded me lot of the tree of life at times but much more coherent. Definitely don't watch with parents

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*************!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!! ********... - 6/3/2012 9:54:46 AM   
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Watched this last night and found myself doing what I have been tending to do with films recently, that is compare them to other films. In terms of brilliantly directed upsetting films that will certainly stay with you, Requiem for a Dream sprung to mind. With RFAD i can happily watch this film again and again, but WNTTAK left me feeling empty. It just didn't quite live up to the hype. Having said that, still a very powerful film with a couple of great performances........... There was one part of the film that didn't really make sense to me. I understand that anyone in the town would be devastated by the events that occurred, but why would they be directing so much anger towards the mother? Surely all the residents of the town know the full story and feel a certain amount of sympathy towards Tilda Swinton knowing that he had also killed her husband and young daughter. There is nothing that happens in the film to suggest to the residents of the town that she was to blame for his behavior.... I would also have quite liked a bit more of an explanation at the end as to why he did it and why he killed the dad and daughter but not the mother, but I totally understand why the ending was left this way as ultimately it probably makes for a better film, that feeling of not knowing. Anyway, I think Empires review is pretty spot on so I will stick with a solid 4 out of 5 :-)

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A Disquieting And Troubling Picture - 11/3/2012 10:56:38 AM   
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Just occasionally, a story of such astonishing power can be told in such a graceful way that it is not until the credits have started rolling that you fully appreciate the power of the film you have just witnessed. We Need To Talk About Kevin is such a case. Told by means of a wonderfully well-implemented narrative, this character study is built on the grounds of a horrifying modern fable that is carried superbly throughout by all the tremendous performances within. The tasteful, and yet still brutally effective method of telling the story is swathed in the bleak atmosphere that permeates every frame from beginning to end, and by the end it feels like you have witnessed something altogether marvellous, terrifying, and unforgettable. Some scenes are a little out of place and unnecessary, and I would have personally liked to have seen more of Kevin in his earlier years, but this intrinsic and haunting parable is definitely a film that needs to be seen, regardless of your stand on parenthood. Bitter food for thought.

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Where is the child therapist??? - 13/3/2013 5:05:39 PM   
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Brilliantly well made with stellar performances from all but I found myself yelling out loud, WHERE IS THE CHILD THERAPIST IN THIS! Any kid behaving half as weirdly as Kevin would justify a one way ticket to a therapist's couch and yet the parents, although intellectually and financially capable do absolutely nothing but literally just look at look at him in frustration? So all that remained for me was a well made film with good acting that just made no sense...

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