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Dogtooth - 14/10/2011 1:31:50 AM

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Simply brillant masterpiece. - 14/10/2011 1:31:50 AM

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One of the greatest movies I've ever seen. Perfect from start to finish.

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 16/10/2011 8:18:21 PM

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One of the greatest movies I've ever seen. Perfect from start to finish.

I agree with this post...from start to finish.

The Greeks are brilliant, wooden horses, gay sex, mid-level Eurovision entires, myth, the alphabet, lisps, kebabs, the human condition as we know it (through philosophy and that) gay sex, Harry Enfield stereotypes, islands, and....the evolved post-modenist black comedy that is Dogtooth.

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 19/10/2011 8:26:33 PM

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I found this to be one of the most overrated films of the last few years. Initially intrigued, I started to lose patience half way through when no discernible plot kicks in. It's just an ever escalating freak show to gawk at and ultimately fairly pointless. Just more artsploitation, desperate to get noticed.

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 19/10/2011 11:18:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Herr Schnitzel

I found this to be one of the most overrated films of the last few years. Initially intrigued, I started to lose patience half way through when no discernible plot kicks in. It's just an ever escalating freak show to gawk at and ultimately fairly pointless. Just more artsploitation, desperate to get noticed.

Aside for the part which deals with nurture and how one's education can form once perception of the world, which probably makes it the entire film.

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 20/10/2011 9:32:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: Deviation

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ORIGINAL: Herr Schnitzel

I found this to be one of the most overrated films of the last few years. Initially intrigued, I started to lose patience half way through when no discernible plot kicks in. It's just an ever escalating freak show to gawk at and ultimately fairly pointless. Just more artsploitation, desperate to get noticed.

Aside for the part which deals with nurture and how one's education can form once perception of the world, which probably makes it the entire film.

Only, having read quite a bit about similar real life cases, it didn't strike me as particularly psychologically acute. It felt all made up and therefore stuck me as somewhat exploitative. It reminded my of the 70s wacko cult film "The Baby", which was a similar "life is stranger than fiction, only this has never been life" type of film dealing with an adult whose development had been stunted by his family. I also saw the recent Greek film "Attenberg", which I found similarly disingenuous, by serving up lots of kookiness with the excuse of being a probing portrait of mental/emotional illness/dysfunction. Greek cinema is in danger of becoming a one trick pony of gratuitous weirdness.

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 21/10/2011 1:39:50 PM

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Only, having read quite a bit about similar real life cases, it didn't strike me as particularly psychologically acute. It felt all made up and therefore stuck me as somewhat exploitative. It reminded my of the 70s wacko cult film "The Baby", which was a similar "life is stranger than fiction, only this has never been life" type of film dealing with an adult whose development had been stunted by his family. I also saw the recent Greek film "Attenberg", which I found similarly disingenuous, by serving up lots of kookiness with the excuse of being a probing portrait of mental/emotional illness/dysfunction. Greek cinema is in danger of becoming a one trick pony of gratuitous weirdness.

It's not about psychology though, it deals with matters which are far more sociological, from the behavior the family shows to the more linguistic elements when it came with the definition of the words. I thought the whole idea was executed very well but it wasn't examined as fully as it could (some more play with words would have been nice).

Plus, Greek cinema was always more than a bit weird.

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 22/10/2011 3:29:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: Herr Schnitzel

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ORIGINAL: Deviation

quote:

ORIGINAL: Herr Schnitzel

I found this to be one of the most overrated films of the last few years. Initially intrigued, I started to lose patience half way through when no discernible plot kicks in. It's just an ever escalating freak show to gawk at and ultimately fairly pointless. Just more artsploitation, desperate to get noticed.

Aside for the part which deals with nurture and how one's education can form once perception of the world, which probably makes it the entire film.

Only, having read quite a bit about similar real life cases, it didn't strike me as particularly psychologically acute. It felt all made up and therefore stuck me as somewhat exploitative. It reminded my of the 70s wacko cult film "The Baby", which was a similar "life is stranger than fiction, only this has never been life" type of film dealing with an adult whose development had been stunted by his family. I also saw the recent Greek film "Attenberg", which I found similarly disingenuous, by serving up lots of kookiness with the excuse of being a probing portrait of mental/emotional illness/dysfunction. Greek cinema is in danger of becoming a one trick pony of gratuitous weirdness.

I think realist versimilitude is one thing, but I know when I used to go boozing with Josef Fritzl I used to say "Joe, does your wife not mind you boozing to all hours, does she not give you gip?" and he used to say...'oul Joe was a bit of a card...he used to look wistfully off into the distance at the bar mirror, and say "...you know...not really."

And I think as young people...we could all learn a lot from that.

And as young people could we not take Dogtooth quite so literally? Or be so obviously anxious on behalf of a Sight-and-Sound review that we read which we tried to process and laboured to pass off as our own thoughts; our own opinion; or our own-half-read-half-informed mal-formed moral insight?

Maybe we could just giggle at a Josef Fritzl pater-familias coming home in response to the murder of a cat in his tattered red-inked rags of a Wiley-Coyote cartoon...and just..fucking giggle at it?

Maybe we could do that?

Or maybe we could be jumped up and half-read and self-important about it?

Or maybe we could just fucking giggle at it?

I know the world I want to live in.

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 22/10/2011 10:08:33 AM

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double post

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 22/10/2011 10:10:20 AM

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I know the world I want to live in.

I too know what world I want to live in. It's not yours.

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 22/10/2011 10:52:36 AM

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I know the world I want to live in.

I too know what world I want to live in. It's not yours.

Considering that God doesn't exist Herr Frtizl...me and God find that a pretty fatuous remark to make under the circumstances.

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 22/10/2011 11:06:44 AM

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Hey, I'll still enjoy it as the blackest of comedies.

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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RE: Simply brillant masterpiece. - 25/10/2011 4:06:53 PM

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I SOOOOOOOOOOO want to see this film!!!

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Dogtooth - 10/6/2012 4:43:25 AM

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Dogtooth is the result of amazing filmaking at it's best. The film offers a perspective on life that no film (or any other medium) has ever offered before. The more disturbing scenes sometimes go a little too far, but it's message ties to the narrative in a way that works beautifully.

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Heart-Stoppingly Visceral, Wonderfully Surreal - 15/2/2013 10:12:08 AM

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There are only so many ways you can applaud a motion picture like Dogtooth; it can become quite difficult to define what it is about such a film you find to be attractive, even enjoyable (in a strictly non-emotional sort of way). I have similar trouble when I recommend Eraserhead, struggling to find the right combination of words to describe what my eyes can just about comprehend. Dogtooth is a grimly humorous parable told in a nonlinear fashion and revolves around the daily life of a small family. To describe anything else relating to the story would be to take scenes out of context which I have absolutely no desire to do (if you're still curious, check out the trailer). The film is very well made, showcasing an innovative cinematography style that allows us, the viewers, to feel as though we're observing some kind of cruel performance art. Performances are also excellent, particularly on the part of the parent characters. Where Dogtooth really shines, however, is its story. Equal parts disturbing and emotional, Dogtooth is a visionary excursion into one family's surreal experiences simply living in the world the do (which at no point is comfirmed to be planet earth). It's most definitely not a film that everyone will enjoy, whether for its' graphic sexual content or its theme in general, but it is a film that those who embrace it will not forget.

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