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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 5/10/2012 4:09:01 PM   
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I want Die Hard to take place in a building, not some generic action with Bruce Willis running around L.A.


We've already had Die Hard in a building.Just stay at home and watch the original if that's what you want.



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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 5/10/2012 4:20:58 PM   
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Really dissapointed in the trailer. If it was anything other than Die Hard, I'd probably look at it and say 'Yea, that doesn't look too bad for a mid budget action flick'. But this is Die Hard, and no matter what anyone says it will always be compared to the great original. Die Hard 2 took the original formula and made it bigger but not too big as to feel OTT, it was a nice natural progression and although the film itself isn't as good, it retained the feel of Die Hard and still had plenty for me to enjoy. With A Vengeance also felt like a natural progression and it was only natural to take McClane out of those confined spaces, but it still kept him as a prisoner of sorts and the bad guys were always a step ahead, with McClane playing catch up to a certain degree. He never felt like a superhero cop saving the world in the first three, he was always the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time and he was always pushing himself through tortuous situations to beat the bad guys, he is at his best when completely beaten to a pulp but with enough fight to win out in the end. The first three had that aspect of the character all the way, but lets not pretend they didnt have the outlandish big stunts that became more prevalent in Die Hard 4. I mean, the rooftop jump, the crashing exploding helicopters and the air con climbing in the first, the plance crash, Annex Skywalk shootout and jetski sequence in the second and the bridge jump, boat explosion and subway crash in part three could all be consider larger than life action stsunt sequences. For me Die Hard 4 didnt go too big in terms of the stunts and action, just in the scope of the plot and the stakes. Having McClane be the one man that can save America felt too big. The threats in the first three were relatively small, with two being heists and the other essentially a prison break. Die Hard 4 shouldn't have taken it up that notch that meant millions of people were in danger, it needed to be a more contained threat, not necessarily a more contained environment. I really would've loved to see Die Hard 4 or 5 take its cue from one of the Die Hard games and have McClane a borderline alcholic gambling away in Vegas before getting caught up in a casino heist of some sort. That couldve been really good in the right hands. No matter what I'm sure Willis will make the most of it, as he did with Die Hard 4 (there were some really great McClane moments in it - the fight in the truck and getting his ass kicked by Olyphant's missus) but it all feels too big. Ah well.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 5/10/2012 8:05:08 PM   
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A back to basics approach in a more small contained environment could work but i think its only natural that the scale of each Die Hard gets bigger in each instalment.Setting it in a different country is a smart move as Mclane has done enough in the states and maybe he saves the world in this one by stopping the baddies launching a nuke who knows?

Wonder has Walter B ( aka Willis ) taken to the AICN message boards again to defend the film from the naysayers like he did before DH4 was released?

Anyway,bring it on!



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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 5/10/2012 8:19:37 PM   
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A back to basics approach in a more small contained environment could work but i think its only natural that the scale of each Die Hard gets bigger in each instalment.Setting it in a different country is a smart move as Mclane has done enough in the states and maybe he saves the world in this one by stopping the baddies launching a nuke who knows?



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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 5/10/2012 10:42:47 PM   
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Really dissapointed in the trailer. If it was anything other than Die Hard, I'd probably look at it and say 'Yea, that doesn't look too bad for a mid budget action flick'. But this is Die Hard, and no matter what anyone says it will always be compared to the great original. Die Hard 2 took the original formula and made it bigger but not too big as to feel OTT, it was a nice natural progression and although the film itself isn't as good, it retained the feel of Die Hard and still had plenty for me to enjoy. With A Vengeance also felt like a natural progression and it was only natural to take McClane out of those confined spaces, but it still kept him as a prisoner of sorts and the bad guys were always a step ahead, with McClane playing catch up to a certain degree. He never felt like a superhero cop saving the world in the first three, he was always the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time and he was always pushing himself through tortuous situations to beat the bad guys, he is at his best when completely beaten to a pulp but with enough fight to win out in the end. The first three had that aspect of the character all the way, but lets not pretend they didnt have the outlandish big stunts that became more prevalent in Die Hard 4. I mean, the rooftop jump, the crashing exploding helicopters and the air con climbing in the first, the plance crash, Annex Skywalk shootout and jetski sequence in the second and the bridge jump, boat explosion and subway crash in part three could all be consider larger than life action stsunt sequences. For me Die Hard 4 didnt go too big in terms of the stunts and action, just in the scope of the plot and the stakes. Having McClane be the one man that can save America felt too big. The threats in the first three were relatively small, with two being heists and the other essentially a prison break. Die Hard 4 shouldn't have taken it up that notch that meant millions of people were in danger, it needed to be a more contained threat, not necessarily a more contained environment. I really would've loved to see Die Hard 4 or 5 take its cue from one of the Die Hard games and have McClane a borderline alcholic gambling away in Vegas before getting caught up in a casino heist of some sort. That couldve been really good in the right hands. No matter what I'm sure Willis will make the most of it, as he did with Die Hard 4 (there were some really great McClane moments in it - the fight in the truck and getting his ass kicked by Olyphant's missus) but it all feels too big. Ah well.


In fairness though Die Hard 4.0 was a heist as well, wasn't Olyphant's character just trying to steal all of America's money? I agree though that the scale was too big and although it did have its moments it was just wasn't John McClane on screen, not nearly reluctant or disgruntled enough. That said I did enjoy it as an action film. 4.0 is easily the worst of the Die Hard movies but that says a lot about the other three (my personal order of preference; 1, 3, 2, 4). I'm looking forward to this one and Willis does look a lot more like McClane, even the first shot of him in the lift.


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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 7/10/2012 8:04:30 PM   
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I dont get these negative comments about Willis not looking and acting like Mclane in DH4.He was cranky,spouting wisecracks,talking to himself and killing terrorists.He was even played by Bruce Willis and everything!

Is it because he had gotten bald since Die Hard 3?

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 7/10/2012 10:52:32 PM   
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I dont get these negative comments about Willis not looking and acting like Mclane in DH4.He was cranky,spouting wisecracks,talking to himself and killing terrorists.He was even played by Bruce Willis and everything!

Is it because he had gotten bald since Die Hard 3?


I just didn't think he was reluctant enough. I think it was more down to the story and the script; there's a point where he tells Justin Long that if there were someone else to do it he'd let them, but it's hard to believe that that's the case when there are no real constraints on the agencies and police. Like the the first three you knew that John was forced into doing all that shit, in 1 there literally no one else, in 2 no one believed him and then when they did the people who helped were either incompetent or working with the baddies, in 3 Gruber forced him into doing it all for revenge ... but in 4, it's just not believable that there's no one else who could help out, it was only computers that were down communications were fine so how come the FBI or army couldn't take over? I just felt that were was no justification for the world relying on John to save it's ass.

You could argue that from his previous experiences that the officials can't be trusted and he's better off doing it himself especially when his daughter's caught up in it all, but I just don't think the set up for the situation was done well enough and that does come down to the writing. For Die Hard to work John McClane has to have no other choice but get involved and I, personally, just didn't get that from 4. You're right to say that you can't really blame Willis though.

All that said I really enjoyed 4, I would say it's a 4 star action film but because the previous instalments set such a high standard (particularly 2 and 3) and because of the above issues it's only a 3 star Die Hard film ... in my book

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 8/10/2012 3:13:47 PM   
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I dont get these negative comments about Willis not looking and acting like Mclane in DH4.He was cranky,spouting wisecracks,talking to himself and killing terrorists.He was even played by Bruce Willis and everything!

Is it because he had gotten bald since Die Hard 3?


I just didn't think he was reluctant enough. I think it was more down to the story and the script; there's a point where he tells Justin Long that if there were someone else to do it he'd let them, but it's hard to believe that that's the case when there are no real constraints on the agencies and police. Like the the first three you knew that John was forced into doing all that shit, in 1 there literally no one else, in 2 no one believed him and then when they did the people who helped were either incompetent or working with the baddies, in 3 Gruber forced him into doing it all for revenge ... but in 4, it's just not believable that there's no one else who could help out, it was only computers that were down communications were fine so how come the FBI or army couldn't take over? I just felt that were was no justification for the world relying on John to save it's ass.

You could argue that from his previous experiences that the officials can't be trusted and he's better off doing it himself especially when his daughter's caught up in it all, but I just don't think the set up for the situation was done well enough and that does come down to the writing. For Die Hard to work John McClane has to have no other choice but get involved and I, personally, just didn't get that from 4. You're right to say that you can't really blame Willis though.

All that said I really enjoyed 4, I would say it's a 4 star action film but because the previous instalments set such a high standard (particularly 2 and 3) and because of the above issues it's only a 3 star Die Hard film ... in my book


I actually found DH3 disappointing and easily the weakest of the series.The action just wasnt good enough and there wasnt enough decent shoot outs and fights.It was just a series of bombs going off/to defuse and a lot of driving around.

DH4 had that awesome shoot out in the apartment at the start and Mclane vs Maggie Q was pretty hardcore as well.I get what youre saying about Mclane being reluctant but i thought he was as world weary as ever and despite what he says,he cant help being a good cop and doing the right thing.I just love how he loses his temper in the tunnel and fuck it,decides to torpedo that helicopter with his car!

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 8/10/2012 3:51:08 PM   
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I think the teaser looks pretty good. I enjoyed the 4th one for what it was but agree that it lost some DH magic. Just wish the unrated cut would surface on blu.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 8/10/2012 4:26:25 PM   
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I dont get these negative comments about Willis not looking and acting like Mclane in DH4.He was cranky,spouting wisecracks,talking to himself and killing terrorists.He was even played by Bruce Willis and everything!

Is it because he had gotten bald since Die Hard 3?


I just didn't think he was reluctant enough. I think it was more down to the story and the script; there's a point where he tells Justin Long that if there were someone else to do it he'd let them, but it's hard to believe that that's the case when there are no real constraints on the agencies and police. Like the the first three you knew that John was forced into doing all that shit, in 1 there literally no one else, in 2 no one believed him and then when they did the people who helped were either incompetent or working with the baddies, in 3 Gruber forced him into doing it all for revenge ... but in 4, it's just not believable that there's no one else who could help out, it was only computers that were down communications were fine so how come the FBI or army couldn't take over? I just felt that were was no justification for the world relying on John to save it's ass.

You could argue that from his previous experiences that the officials can't be trusted and he's better off doing it himself especially when his daughter's caught up in it all, but I just don't think the set up for the situation was done well enough and that does come down to the writing. For Die Hard to work John McClane has to have no other choice but get involved and I, personally, just didn't get that from 4. You're right to say that you can't really blame Willis though.

All that said I really enjoyed 4, I would say it's a 4 star action film but because the previous instalments set such a high standard (particularly 2 and 3) and because of the above issues it's only a 3 star Die Hard film ... in my book


I actually found DH3 disappointing and easily the weakest of the series.The action just wasnt good enough and there wasnt enough decent shoot outs and fights.It was just a series of bombs going off/to defuse and a lot of driving around.

DH4 had that awesome shoot out in the apartment at the start and Mclane vs Maggie Q was pretty hardcore as well.I get what youre saying about Mclane being reluctant but i thought he was as world weary as ever and despite what he says,he cant help being a good cop and doing the right thing.I just love how he loses his temper in the tunnel and fuck it,decides to torpedo that helicopter with his car!


You're absolutely right that the action isn't as good in 3 (especially the final showdown which is definitely a let down given how good the rest of it was, but then the alternate ending just sounds fucking mad), but I've always seen 3 more as a thriller than an action movie. I think it works because it puts John a situation that he can't get out of with fists and guns, he has to use his head. It's a whole new experience to what he went through in 1 and 2, and there's also the fact that this time the baddie has deliberately involved him, he wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time he was dragged into the situation just to be tortured mentally and physically. I think it works brilliantly, and you also have his relationship with Samuel L which is perfect.

I absolutely agree with you about those specific moments in 4, there are true McClanisms in there. In fact 4 has a great moment where Gabriel wipes McClane's account clean and it's great because it does remind us that he is just an ordinary cop who has to worry about putting his kids through college, etc ... but then you have him surfing on a jet plane.

Back to 5 though, I hope they can get the situation right, and the chemistry between John and Jack has to be great. I've never seen the guy playing Jack in anything before so I have no idea what to expect.


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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 10/10/2012 11:55:59 AM   
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Die Hard 4 features one of my fave McClane moments ever..... during the scrap with Maggie Q, a beaten bloody Willis stands with a fist full of her hair in front of him and his face is fucking priceless. Pure McClane

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 10/10/2012 1:26:09 PM   
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there has not been a bad DH movie so far but the original with its unique premise has yet to be surpassed.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 10/10/2012 1:34:07 PM   
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there has not been a bad DH movie so far but the original with its unique premise has yet to be surpassed.


Sums the situation up perfectly

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 10/10/2012 1:36:39 PM   
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Just so surprised it's got a February opening???

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 10/10/2012 1:44:37 PM   
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Just so surprised it's got a February opening???


John McClane just isn't as big a name as it used to be. It will still do well (Safe House did very well in the February slot last year if I'm not mistaken), and there will probably be a sixth.


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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 11/10/2012 10:18:12 AM   
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Just so surprised it's got a February opening???



early spring openings have become a recent trend with a lot of blockbusters opening big before the summer season.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 11/10/2012 11:17:58 AM   
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Hmm spose it has to get out before the first Super-hero movie of 2013.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 13/10/2012 1:45:56 AM   
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This film should be called

Die Hardest

So obvious, don'tcha think?

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A Good Day to Die Hard? - 16/10/2012 3:00:34 PM   
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Everybody needs to reset their anticipation for this sequel right down to zero.

An honest trailer would sport a 'From the guys that brought you THE A-TEAM, MAX PAYNE, HITMAN & X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE.' line.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 16/10/2012 3:27:00 PM   
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This film should be called

Die Hardest

So obvious, don'tcha think?


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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 17/10/2012 8:15:28 PM   
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I predict a two, maybe a low three, star movie here.

I have zero faith in the director (a completely useless hack) and only the fact that Willis is in this at all will stop it being a complete wash out. Hopefully...

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 17/10/2012 10:49:08 PM   
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i think it will be a perfectly decent action film.Looks like a lot cool stunts and action sequences in the trailer.Also the fact its out in febuary possible means it will be R rated as its not going up against summer movies kiddie fare like Transformers.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 17/10/2012 11:01:57 PM   
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Probably be like 4.0, an okay action film, nothing special but not a real Die Hard film.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 17/10/2012 11:51:59 PM   
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Sadly, the Die Hard movies have declined with each release. Though admittedly nothing was going to top the first one. I see no difference here.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 25/10/2012 7:02:53 PM   
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The new trailer to A Good Day To Die Hard is online http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/agooddaytodiehard/

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 25/10/2012 10:05:16 PM   
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I really do hope this turns out good and I'll probably see it cos Willis is a boss but nothing about it is getting me excited. It just doesn't feel like a Die Hard film. At least we get more Mary Elizabeth Winstead so thats something to look forward too...


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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 25/10/2012 11:45:17 PM   
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It looks fun but that's about all. Then again none of the sequels have much real resemblence to the first one anyway.

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 26/10/2012 11:33:40 AM   
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I've been really impressed with what I've seen of this movie so far, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much because it is John Moore.

The Yippee Kay-Yay Mother Russia poster is brilliant!!!!

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 27/10/2012 4:14:41 PM   
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Both the trailers and the press release posters thus far do not have me at all curious, let alone excited, about the latest installment of a franchise which really should have stopped at Part 2.

John Moore is a woeful director. His attempt to reinvigorate The Omen was shambolic and incredibly heavy handed. A cross between some B grade euro psycho drama and Final Destination. I can only shudder with what he will do here. Die Hard 4 was okay, but as it has often been re-iterated it is NOT a Die Hard movie. Too many sidekicks and people willing to help ol' John McClane, and no real sense of peril.

The addition here of McClanes son just smacks of desperation. They will no doubt be a partnership in most of the movie, with Junior doing much of the heavy lifting while McClane cracks wise about being too old etc. Yawn. Richard Donner was doing this Shtick before it was Schtick in the 80's with Lethal Weapon.
McClane is a lone soldier, a one man survivor. Hence why nothing after the 2nd one really works as Die Hard movie. Samuel L Jackson and Justin long are not required. And setting this effort in Russia is just taking it further away from what a Die Hard movie is and should be.

The trailers look poor in my opinion. And the use of the christmas music from Die Hard seems cheap and unoriginal. And the Yipee Kay Ya Mother one sheet is rubbish. It just reminds you that when it was first uttered it was cool, funny, and he had a REASON for saying it. It was a sarcastic repost at being compared to a cowboy. Now it's just a cheap, softened down, catchphrase that taken in its individual context in the sequels really makes no sense. It's just a cheap marketing tool to show people who maybe aren't sure that it is a Die Hard film and may be worthy of paying to see it. My prediction is it won't be...

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RE: A Good Day to Die Hard - 28/10/2012 7:50:05 PM   
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Am I alone in liking all four of the Die Hards?

Of course the original is the best and at times Die Hard 4 was a little bit OTT, but I can forgive that as we do want a bit of escapism.

I hope it will be up to the standard of the first 4 movies. With the wit and humour that Bruce Willis has brought over the years.

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