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I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 16/8/2011 6:18:02 PM

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Morrissey has been in the news a lot recently, mostly for negative reasons, and with each passing day I seem to find myself cornered into more arguments about the man himself and his (sometimes weird but generally wonderful) views on the world than I do discussions about his music. Even if you think meat isn't murder or if you thought Maggy did a wonderful job for the country or if you quite like those Chinese fellas, I don't think many would argue that he's an obviously talented lyricist. I think he's much more than that; a fantastic singer, an important figure, and most of all a man with the incredible ability of voicing the concerns, the delights, and the ever-lingering semi-misery of lonely, forlorn teenagers who find themselves just on the boundaries of 'normality'. I'd quite like to keep this about the songs, but as the songs do often contain more than just a splash of Moz's ideology I expect the thread to veer off (quite dramatically) every now and again. And of course, haters gonna hate and are completely entitled to.

100. Hairdresser on Fire (Morrissey/Street)
99. I'm OK By Myself (Morrissey/Tobias)
98. Accept Yourself (Morrissey/Marr)
97. Irish Blood, English Heart (Morrissey/Whyte)
96. There Is A Place in Hell for Me and My Friends (Morrissey/Nevin)
95. What's the World? (James cover)
94. Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself? (Morrissey/Whyte)
93. Scandinavia (Morrissey/???)
92. The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get (Morrissey/Boorer)
91. Action is My Middle Name (Morrissey/???)

90. No One Can Hold A Candle To You (Maker/Huish)
89. First of the Gang to Die (Morrissey/Whyte)
88. Lifeguard Sleeping, Girl Drowning (Morrissey/Boorer)
87. Southpaw (Morrissey/Whyte)
86. Alsatian Cousin (Morrissey/Street/Reilly)
85. Mama Lay Softly On The Riverbed (Morrissey/Whyte)
84. Art-hounds (Morrissey/???)
83. Back to the Old House (Morrissey/Marr)
82. One Day Goodbye Will Be Farewell (Morrissey/Boorer)
81. The Queen Is Dead (Morrissey/Marr)

80. Ouija Board, Ouija Board (Morrissey/Street)
79. Dagenham Dave (Morrissey/Whyte)
78. Piccadilly Palare (Morrissey/Armstrong)
77. Seasick, Yet Still Docked (Morrissey/Whyte)
76. I Don't Mind If You Forget Me (Morrissey/Street)
75. Meat is Murder (Morrissey/Marr)
74. We'll Let You Know (Morrissey/Whyte)
73. I'd Love To (Morrissey/Boorer)
72. Dear God Please Help Me (Morrissey/Whyte/Morricone)
71. The Last of the Famous International Playboys (Morrissey/Street)

70. Interlude (Delerue/Shaper)
69. Alma Matters (Morrissey/Whyte)
68. There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (Morrissey/Marr)
67. Nobody Loves Us (Morrissey/Whyte)
66. Pregnant for the Last Time (Morrissey/Nevin)
65. Margaret on the Guillotine (Morrissey/Street/Reilly)
64. Something Is Squeezing My Skull (Morrissey/Whyte)
63. This Charming Man (Morrissey/Marr)
62. William, It Was Really Nothing (Morrissey/Marr)
61. A Rush and a Push and the Land is Ours (Morrissey/Marr)

60. You Have Killed Me (Morrissey/Tobias)
59. I Like You (Morrissey/Boorer)
58. Paint a Vulgar Picture (Morrissey/Marr)
57. I Have Forgiven Jesus (Morrissey/Whyte)
56. Sheila Take A Bow (Morrissey/Marr)
55. London (Morrissey/Marr)
54. Frankly, Mr Shankly (Morrissey/Marr)
53. Girlfriend in a Coma (Morrissey/Marr)
52. Late Night, Maudlin Street (Morrissey/Street)

STUDIO ALBUM TALLY:

The Smiths
The Smiths: 0
Meat is Murder: 1 (Meat is Murder)
The Queen is Dead: 3 (Frankly Mr Shankly - The Queen is Dead - There Is A Light That Never Goes Out)
Strangeways, Here We Come: 3 (A Rush and a Push and the Land is Ours - Girlfriend in a Coma - Paint a Vulgar Picture)

Morrissey
Viva Hate: 4 (Alsatian Cousin - I Don't Mind If You Forget Me - Late Night, Maudlin Street - Margaret on the Guillotine)
Kill Uncle: 1 (There's a Place in Hell for Me and My Friends)
Your Arsenal: 2 (Seasick, Yet Still Docked - We'll Let You Know)
Vauxhall and I: 3 (Lifeguard Sleeping, Girl Drowning - The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get - Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself?)
Southpaw Grammar: 2 (Southpaw - Dagenham Dave)
Maladjusted: 1 (Alma Matters)
You Are The Quarry: 4 (First of the Gang to Die - Irish Blood, English Heart - I Like You - I Have Forgiven Jesus)
Ringleaders of the Tormentors: 2 (Dear God Please Help Me - You Have Killed Me)
Years of Refusal: 4 (I'm OK By Myself - Mama Lay Softly On The Riverbed - One Day Goodbye Will Be Farewell - Something Is Squeezing My Skull)

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 16/8/2011 6:52:10 PM

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You'll get to number 97: Tony the Pony before leaving and never coming back.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 16/8/2011 9:06:23 PM

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I tried to compile a top 100 Smiths\Morrissey list once. I got to How Soon Is Now? and then got stuck.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 16/8/2011 9:48:45 PM

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You'll get to number 97: Tony the Pony before leaving and never coming back.

Don't listen to Rhubarb, Piles. He's in a "I'm going to piss on everybody's chips" mood today.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 16/8/2011 10:20:54 PM

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What do you mean "today"?

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 16/8/2011 10:25:52 PM

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Good luck bro. These Things Take Time or something.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 16/8/2011 11:12:14 PM

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You'll get to number 97: Tony the Pony before leaving and never coming back.

Tony the Pony will clearly be higher than #97.

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#100: Busy clippers, oh-oh, oh-oooh - 17/8/2011 12:00:06 PM

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100: Hairdresser on Fire
Writers: Morrissey (lyrics), Stephen Street (music).
Year of composition: 1998.
Appearances on official releases: B-Side to 'Suedehead', the compilations 'Bona Drag' and 'The HMV/Parlaphone Singles 88-95', later added to U.S. version of 'Viva Hate', also appears on the live DVD 'Who Put the M in Manchester?'.

A frivolous frolic that is, just as the lyrics literally say, about trying to secure one of London's busy busy hairdressers. I wish it was about a lot more than that, so we could start this thread with a discussion on Morrissey's ambiguous lyricism, but for once this song is about nothing more than how a haircut can 'change' you or even 'save' you. A campy caricature from Morrissey's early solo career, 'Hairdresser on Fire' is marked out for its witty (you are repressed/but you're remarkably dressed), sometimes absurd (I sense the power within your fingers�) lyrics and its actually quite brilliant music (best Street composition? Maybe�), which is as busy as the titular 'hairdresser' with its string opening, elaborate riffs (well, as elaborate as they'd get at this stage of Moz's career), and wedding bell chorus. It's no surprise that it was added to the U.S. version of 'Viva Hate' � it easily slots amongst the best songs musically on the album and its popularity goes without saying, but you can also see why Morrissey left it off. In an album that's almost entirely about the break-up of The Smiths (or other important things, like hanging Maggie Thatcher), a song about booking a hair appointment is hardly as artistically pleasing as it is aesthetically. Still, though, one of his best pure pop songs, and it never fails to raise a smile from me.

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Listen to a live version (from 'Who Put the M in Manchester?') here.

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RE: #100: Busy clippers, oh-oh, oh-oooh - 17/8/2011 12:57:49 PM

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Good start, yo.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 17/8/2011 2:02:38 PM

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Even if you think meat isn't murder or if you thought Maggy did a wonderful job for the country or if you quite like those Chinese fellas,

A bit disingenuous equating his harmless vegetarian proselytising and his hatred of Thatcher (something most can agree on) with his obviously problematic racial issues.

Also fingers crossed for Roy's Keen.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 17/8/2011 3:51:02 PM

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A bit disingenuous equating his harmless vegetarian proselytising and his hatred of Thatcher (something most can agree on) with his obviously problematic racial issues.

Clearly I wasn't exactly being serious, Mr Moral Police Man.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 17/8/2011 3:59:36 PM

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Hairdresser On Fire is probably my favourite Morrissey solo song. I never ever tire of listening to it. Should be way higher than 100 really.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 17/8/2011 4:12:31 PM

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I've never heard this song

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 17/8/2011 4:13:23 PM

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I've never heard this song

I posted links playa.

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#99: This might make you throw up in your bed, but I'm ... - 17/8/2011 5:13:20 PM

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99: I'm OK By Myself
Writers: Morrissey (lyrics), Jesse Tobias (music).
Year of composition: 2009.
Appearances on official releases: 'Years of Refusal'.

2009's 'Years of Refusal' is a fantastic album; it's not quite as consistent as its direct predecessor 'Ringleader of the Tormenters', but I'd probably say that it has more great songs, and is the home of some of Morrissey's very best solo stuff. 'I'm OK By Myself' is the first of four tracks from this album to make my top 100, and there were a further 3 floating around the cut-off point. It works brilliantly as the final track, with the premise being that, after years of feeling guilty because of his longstanding paranoia and self-inflicted loneliness, Morrissey has finally come to accept that he is, as the title suggest, OK by himself. Perhaps not the most elaborate song of his lyrically speaking, the singer talks about how every show of affection and passion has the possibility of turning sour, and that � by now � he's decided that he's just about done with the hangers on. It might not exactly be an upbeat message, but it's one that many Morrissey fans will be able to relate to, and is doubtlessly a return to a lot of the thematic content of his Smiths days (particularly a lot of the songs on the self-titled debut, like 'Miserable Lie' and 'Reel Around the Fountain'). Musically speaking it's absolutely phenomenal, roaring out of the blocks like many other of the album's tunes (it's probably the most aggressive album he's done since 'Your Arsenal') with Jesse Tobias' thumping guitar riff elevating until it finally spirals out of control in the excellent conclusion, where Morrissey roars and yodels his way through the music with constant shouts of 'No!'. The rhythm section keeps things in check, but this is Tobias' finest hour, probably his most complex and ambitious Morrissey composition and, to boot, one of the most erratically passionate songs the singer has done in ages. Also, it's easily the most special of the 'Years of Refusal' songs on stage.

Listen to the studio version here.
Listen to a live version (with a truly fantastic bass solo added on, and Moz taking his shirt off) here.

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RE: #99: This might make you throw up in your bed, but ... - 17/8/2011 8:26:14 PM

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Hairdresser on Fire is probably in my top 5 of Moz's solo stuff.

I'm OK By Myself is great as well.

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RE: #99: This might make you throw up in your bed, but ... - 17/8/2011 10:22:09 PM

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Hairdresser should be well higher.

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RE: #99: This might make you throw up in your bed, but ... - 17/8/2011 11:00:28 PM

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Hairdresser should be well higher.

No it shouldn't.

What do you think of I'm OK By Myself?

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RE: #98: I am sick and I am dull and I am plain... - 17/8/2011 11:24:38 PM

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98. Accept Yourself
Writers: Morrissey (lyrics), Johnny Marr (music).
Year of composition: 1984.
Appearances on official releases: Only officially appears on the compilation �Hatful of Hollow�.

One of the handful of songs that were recording during the Troy Tate sessions (intended to be turned into the Smiths� debut album) but ditched when John Porter took over production, �Accept Yourself� is, depending on how you look at it, one of Morrissey�s most positive early recordings or a cynical, annoyed swipe at those who would try and help him out of his shell. I can never tell which of these two readings into the song I would side with (or would want to side with). The former suggests that Morrissey is talking to his audience, asking them to stop worrying about what other people expect of them and just be who they were meant to be. It would be quite pleasant to believe that a young Morrissey was able to write a message as positive as that amongst all of his other more downbeat songs, but I think I prefer the second reading, that this song comprises of a two-way conversation, with somebody telling the singer to �accept themselves�, with Morrissey retorting that his plans and dreams to do so are always thwarted by outside pressures. It would seem, at least to us outsiders, that Morrissey had already accepted himself well before this song reached the light of day, and that it was the people surrounding him who refused him acceptance. Musically, it�s quite a clunky track, with Marr still finding his way and seemingly relying heavily on Morrissey�s lyrics, but � at least for me � that isn�t enough to make this anything less than superb; the singer telling us to �accept our shoes� as if that was as important as us �accepting our lives� is the highlight that ensures its place on this list.

Listen to the studio version here.
Listen to a live version (with maracas!) here.

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RE: #99: This might make you throw up in your bed, but ... - 18/8/2011 12:04:18 AM

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Hairdresser should be well higher.

No it shouldn't.

What do you think of I'm OK By Myself?

Its no "Hairdresser on Fire"

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RE: #99: This might make you throw up in your bed, but ... - 18/8/2011 12:05:42 AM

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Hairdresser should be well higher.

No it shouldn't.

What do you think of I'm OK By Myself?

Its no "Hairdresser on Fire"

So predictable. Don't know why I bother.

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RE: #99: This might make you throw up in your bed, but ... - 18/8/2011 12:53:26 AM

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Accept Yourself is good.

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RE: #99: This might make you throw up in your bed, but ... - 18/8/2011 12:55:08 AM

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Hairdresser should be well higher.

No it shouldn't.

What do you think of I'm OK By Myself?

Its no "Hairdresser on Fire"

So predictable. Don't know why I bother.

I don't either.

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RE: #99: This might make you throw up in your bed, but ... - 18/8/2011 12:56:17 AM

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I like the maracas on that version of Accept Yourself.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 20/8/2011 1:59:26 AM

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Even if you think meat isn't murder or if you thought Maggy did a wonderful job for the country or if you quite like those Chinese fellas,

A bit disingenuous equating his harmless vegetarian proselytising and his hatred of Thatcher (something most can agree on) with his obviously problematic racial issues.

Also fingers crossed for Roy's Keen.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 20/8/2011 11:39:44 AM

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Not really.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 20/8/2011 12:27:51 PM

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Even if you think meat isn't murder or if you thought Maggy did a wonderful job for the country or if you quite like those Chinese fellas,

A bit disingenuous equating his harmless vegetarian proselytising and his hatred of Thatcher (something most can agree on) with his obviously problematic racial issues.

Also fingers crossed for Roy's Keen.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Secret Tory spotted.

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 20/8/2011 2:03:50 PM

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I don't really like Accept Yourself - it's alirght I suppose, but it's one of their weaker ones.

Great list by the way (though Hairdresser on Fire is too low)

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RE: I Started Something I Couldn't Finish: Top 100 Moz - 20/8/2011 2:18:43 PM

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I'm pleased everyone else really likes Hairdresser. It is great.

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97. Irish Blood, English Heart
Writers: Morrissey (lyrics), Alain Whyte (music).
Year of composition: 2004.
Appearances on official releases: Track 2 on 2004's 'You Are the Quarry'. Appears on the live CD 'Live at Earl's Court' and on the live DVD 'Who Put the M in Manchester'.

I heard 'Irish Blood, English Heart' a bit before I got around listening to the album it's on, 'You Are the Quarry', all the way through. When I finally did get to listen to Moz's 2004 comeback record, I sat there with a confused look on my face, wondering "why on earth is 'America Is Not The World' the album opener when IBEH is on the album?� It makes no sense; to choose a lyrically-average and musically-poor song as the first new song your fans will hear for seven years when you have a thumping, assertive track at the ready. A much overdue reply to the immigration scandal and ensuing feud with NME, this is Morrissey delivering a very aggressive defense, asserting that patriotism does not automatically equal nationalism or racism. I won't start quoting lines; I'd be very surprised if many of you haven't heard this track. It's Moz's joint highest charting single, along with 'You Have Killed Me' from his next studio album 'Ringleader of the Tormentors', reaching number 3 and justifying a record company's faith � it must have been risky backing a man who'd been out of the spotlight for 7 years whose last 2 albums weren't exactly brilliant. It paid off, because 'Irish Blood, English Heart' is a terrifically positive song about his motherland, or rather his hopes for what his motherland could be. This is Morrissey at his most urgent, and � backed by some brilliantly frenetic music from Alain Whyte � it will be as relevant for as far away into the future as I can see as it was seven years ago.

Listen to the studio version here.
Listen to a live version (from 'Who Put the M in Manchester') here.

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