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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:29:07 AM   
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I think you guys are missing the point.

Just because a movie doesn't do well at the box office does not mean it is rubbish. Plenty of decent films have done badly. Attack the Block is a decent film - it isn't a masterpiece, it isn't going to change the world. But it is solid. A fun, throw back to 1980s creature features.

You guys, who haven't seen the film, are now commenting on its quailty based on box office. Which is why I brought out The Thing - a movie which was a bomb and have awful reviews. But was in fact an excellent film.

Now you are saying "well that is the expection etc" - but that is because it is a film you personally like.

Do you see how silly this is coming across?

I sat watching Attack the Block not giving a fig about box office etc.
My opinion is essentially based on my viewing experience.
We're 9 pages down the line and going around in circles.The box office wasnt mentioned in terms of which crappy franchise made a billion dollars,but the opposite-which film which scored 90% on some website did very few people actually see?


Look, you brought up the notion of general consensus. The only way you can form a general consensus is on the basis of those who've seen the film who then voiced their opinion. If you don't want to be informed what the general consensus actually is, why bring it up?


General consensus goes beyond that-and (yet) again was a reply to 91% of whoever saying whatever on whichever.
It cannot simply include the minority viewers and exclude those who simply didnt go because they believed it to be crap!
Simple maths:You interview 10 people-2 seen it loved it-8 said they hadnt seen it and wont because they believe it to be crap.Consensus:It's crap.


The opinion of someone who hasn't seen something doesn't matter. It's like saying a Mars Bar must taste like shit because you don't like the look of the wrapping. Your example actually proves the opposite of your point - the only 2 people who saw it loved it. The general consensus of people who saw the film loved it.


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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:29:46 AM   
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The Thing has worldwide appeal. ATB doesn't. What will a Spanish audience for example, gain from watching ATB? Will they understand the slang, accents, sense of humour or customs?



By that logic nobody would ever watch a film that comes from outside their own comfort zone.



Films outside of peoples comfort zones unfortunately flop. This is why British films like Moon, Kick-Ass and Monsters do well worldwide (because they are indistinguishable from American films) and Another Year makes nothing.


Another Year Box Office

Domestic:  $3,205,706    17.3%
Foreign:       $15,287,442    82.7

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:30:17 AM   
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Films outside of peoples comfort zones unfortunately flop. This is why British films like Moon, Kick-Ass and Monsters do well worldwide (because they are indistinguishable from American films) and Another Year makes nothing.


Another Year made much more money than Moon and Monsters put together. So WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:30:31 AM   
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Not when it was first released it didn't.


That's because horror and sci-fi back then didn't have the audience it has now. ATB failed now, why would it become huge in 10 years?

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:32:52 AM   
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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:32:56 AM   
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Films outside of peoples comfort zones unfortunately flop. This is why British films like Moon, Kick-Ass and Monsters do well worldwide (because they are indistinguishable from American films) and Another Year makes nothing.


Another Year made much more money than Moon. So WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.



Are you taking DVD/Blu Ray sales into account? Because that's where low budget sci-fi always makes its money.


You mean the very fucking thing you just said wouldn't happen for the low-budget sci-fi Attack the Block?


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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:33:47 AM   
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 ***Sorry I deleted the post. Here it is again just to avoid confusion:

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Films outside of peoples comfort zones unfortunately flop. This is why British films like Moon, Kick-Ass and Monsters do well worldwide (because they are indistinguishable from American films) and Another Year makes nothing.


Another Year made much more money than Moon. So WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.



Are you taking DVD/Blu Ray sales into account? Because that's where low budget sci-fi always makes its money.

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:35:01 AM   
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And that's the only time vad3r will receive merit for anything on this forum.

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Films outside of peoples comfort zones unfortunately flop. This is why British films like Moon, Kick-Ass and Monsters do well worldwide (because they are indistinguishable from American films) and Another Year makes nothing.


Another Year made much more money than Moon. So WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.



Are you taking DVD/Blu Ray sales into account? Because that's where low budget sci-fi always makes its money.


You mean the very fucking thing you just said wouldn't happen for the low-budget sci-fi Attack the Block?






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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:35:03 AM   
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Films outside of peoples comfort zones unfortunately flop. This is why British films like Moon, Kick-Ass and Monsters do well worldwide (because they are indistinguishable from American films) and Another Year makes nothing.


Another Year made much more money than Moon. So WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.



Are you taking DVD/Blu Ray sales into account? Because that's where low budget sci-fi always makes its money.


You mean the very fucking thing you just said wouldn't happen for the low-budget sci-fi Attack the Block?



My point was that ATB doesn't have an audience. Would you mind please telling me which demographic would go and buy it?


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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:35:32 AM   
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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:35:40 AM   
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 You mentioned box office revenue, where Another Year did more money than Monsters and Moon put together. Now stop rubbing thetruth off and start making sense, both of you. 

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:36:23 AM   
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 Sci-fi fans. Same people who would go and buy Moon.


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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:36:51 AM   
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This thread makes me believe Planet of the Apes could happen.



This thread makes me believe Planet of the Apes SHOULD happen.

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:36:56 AM   
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 By the by - how fantastic is it to see Another Year making nearly 20 million at the box office?

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:37:40 AM   
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By the by - how fantastic is it to see Another Year making nearly 20 million at the box office?


This is probably the most sensible post in this thread.


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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:38:56 AM   
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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:39:13 AM   
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 I was very happy that it did. I loved that film too. The French tend to love Leigh though.

Also, The Thing is very violent and grotesque. I love that film but that would put a good number of people off.

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:40:09 AM   
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This thread makes me believe Planet of the Apes SHOULD happen.


This thread makes me pray for Nuclear Armageddon to happen in 5 minutes. [/BillHicksReference]

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:40:30 AM   
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I think you guys are missing the point.

Just because a movie doesn't do well at the box office does not mean it is rubbish. Plenty of decent films have done badly. Attack the Block is a decent film - it isn't a masterpiece, it isn't going to change the world. But it is solid. A fun, throw back to 1980s creature features.

You guys, who haven't seen the film, are now commenting on its quailty based on box office. Which is why I brought out The Thing - a movie which was a bomb and have awful reviews. But was in fact an excellent film.

Now you are saying "well that is the expection etc" - but that is because it is a film you personally like.

Do you see how silly this is coming across?

I sat watching Attack the Block not giving a fig about box office etc.
My opinion is essentially based on my viewing experience.
We're 9 pages down the line and going around in circles.The box office wasnt mentioned in terms of which crappy franchise made a billion dollars,but the opposite-which film which scored 90% on some website did very few people actually see?


Look, you brought up the notion of general consensus. The only way you can form a general consensus is on the basis of those who've seen the film who then voiced their opinion. If you don't want to be informed what the general consensus actually is, why bring it up?


General consensus goes beyond that-and (yet) again was a reply to 91% of whoever saying whatever on whichever.
It cannot simply include the minority viewers and exclude those who simply didnt go because they believed it to be crap!
Simple maths:You interview 10 people-2 seen it loved it-8 said they hadnt seen it and wont because they believe it to be crap.Consensus:It's crap.


The opinion of someone who hasn't seen something doesn't matter. It's like saying a Mars Bar must taste like shit because you don't like the look of the wrapping. Your example actually proves the opposite of your point - the only 2 people who saw it loved it. The general consensus of people who saw the film loved it.


We are not simply talking about those who seen it loving it-it is,to go back several pages about the actual quality-i seen it,thought it was poor.If you are sitting in a cinema with 4 people watching this,there is a reason.
If nobody buys Mars Bars,then then they are shit!

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:40:57 AM   
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Sci-fi fans. Same people who would go and buy Moon.



We'll see how well the worldwide DVD/Blu Ray sales are. It won't be anywhere near the level of Moon and Monsters.

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:41:16 AM   
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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:42:23 AM   
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We are not simply talking about those who seen it loving it-it is,to go back several pages about the actual quality-i seen it,thought it was poor.If you are sitting in a cinema with 4 people watching this,there is a reason.


You really are trolling, aren't you?



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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:42:27 AM   
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Maybe you guys should create an appreciation society for each other?


Jealous?


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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:42:50 AM   
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You mentioned box office revenue, where Another Year did more money than Monsters and Moon put together. Now stop rubbing thetruth off and start making sense, both of you. 

It seems you'd be an expert on that kind of behaviour on here

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:42:59 AM   
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Maybe you guys should create an appreciation society for each other?


Jealous?


I am always jealous of anonymous people who need vindication through forums.






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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:44:26 AM   
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We are not simply talking about those who seen it loving it-it is,to go back several pages about the actual quality-i seen it,thought it was poor.If you are sitting in a cinema with 4 people watching this,there is a reason.


You really are trolling, aren't you?



How is what i say trolling?I could say that about you too.

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:44:43 AM   
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 Sucking people off? What can I do, that Rhubarb is so dreeaaaamy.

Also, Monsters was a hit on dvd sales and Blue Ray? I'd be incredibly surprised if it was considering the hate it received.


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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:44:46 AM   
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Come come nuclear bomb


I hope Deviation will sacrifice himself to save humanity. He will go out a hero and I don't have to read any more of his posts. So we both win.

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:45:38 AM   
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 Actually I hope you do it. Then all the forum will be happy. 

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RE: If released now, would 'Attack The Block' fail? - 15/8/2011 12:47:21 AM   
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Maybe you guys should create an appreciation society for each other?


Jealous?


I am always jealous of anonymous people who need vindication through forums.


Ahhh the irony was Shakespearean.

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