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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:28:45 AM

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Dark Knight Rises has done stunning numbers, no two ways about it. However, due to the tragedy in Aurora people are now talking how that may have had an adverse affect and the truth is, we will never know. In the same way we'll never know if Ledger's death had any impact on the box office for Dark Knight. I don't think Rises was ever going to really smash Dark Knight's numbers away, Warners had begun estimations of between 170/180 million prior to the shooting, so it may have had a slight impact, but there is no way of knowing. Saying people parents didnt attend? How do we know this? There has been nothing to suggest this is the case. Rises was never going to do Avengers numbers and with Avengers taking an estimated 35million additional via 3D, Rises numbers look about right for a mega 2D block buster. I'll be really saddened if we now have loads of movie journo's picking apart box office numbers for this film talking about the 'what could have been' and approaching it like an under performance. It's irrelevant. The box office is about where we should be expecting it so far and we have no way of knowing if the shootings had any effect.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:32:52 AM

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To be honest I don't think you can draw anything from the BO this weekend in the States. Apart from TDK everything fell by about 70%. No one knows is the answer.

Still a really strong start for the film - and I suspect it will be hanging around the top ten for a long time.

Do you think it's final box office figure will top Dark Knight? I'm not sure Rises has the rewatchability of TDK for many people. Personally, I prefer Rises and I'll be seeign it for a third and fourth time with some other groups of mates. So far, for me, it's an easier watch second time around than Dark Knight, but I suspect for the average joe public, Joker went some way to making Dark Knight something to return to a second time. I'm thinking a 900million haul worldwide, some way short of Dark Knight, totally based off word of mouth. This is getting a much more mixed reaction, (something I expected the second I finished viewing it) especially from the fan community.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:34:01 AM

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Dark Knight Rises has done stunning numbers, no two ways about it. However, due to the tragedy in Aurora people are now talking how that may have had an adverse affect and the truth is, we will never know. In the same way we'll never know if Ledger's death had any impact on the box office for Dark Knight. I don't think Rises was ever going to really smash Dark Knight's numbers away, Warners had begun estimations of between 170/180 million prior to the shooting, so it may have had a slight impact, but there is no way of knowing. Saying people parents didnt attend? How do we know this? There has been nothing to suggest this is the case. Rises was never going to do Avengers numbers and with Avengers taking an estimated 35million additional via 3D, Rises numbers look about right for a mega 2D block buster. I'll be really saddened if we now have loads of movie journo's picking apart box office numbers for this film talking about the 'what could have been' and approaching it like an under performance. It's irrelevant. The box office is about where we should be expecting it so far and we have no way of knowing if the shootings had any effect.

We know it because every other film in the top ten at the moment, including family films fell by between 60% - 70%. Massive across the board falls.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:36:04 AM

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To be honest I don't think you can draw anything from the BO this weekend in the States. Apart from TDK everything fell by about 70%. No one knows is the answer.

Still a really strong start for the film - and I suspect it will be hanging around the top ten for a long time.

Do you think it's final box office figure will top Dark Knight? I'm not sure Rises has the rewatchability of TDK for many people. Personally, I prefer Rises and I'll be seeign it for a third and fourth time with some other groups of mates. So far, for me, it's an easier watch second time around than Dark Knight, but I suspect for the average joe public, Joker went some way to making Dark Knight something to return to a second time. I'm thinking a 900million haul worldwide, some way short of Dark Knight, totally based off word of mouth. This is getting a much more mixed reaction, (something I expected the second I finished viewing it) especially from the fan community.

I think it will do about as well - and WW should easily pass a billion. When things like the Pirates films and Transformers can pass that mark, I see no reason why a successful final entry in the very popular Batman series can't do that.

Also there is literally nothing coming up against it for weeks. Maybe Total Recall?

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:37:57 AM

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TDKR: 160,887,295
The Amazing Spider-Man $10,887,111 -69%

Ouch. Batman DESTROYED Spider-Man.

Looks like Spider-Man will be lucky to limp to $260 million.

But wasn't it pretty much a given that the bat would squash the spider? And hasn't Spidey made about $600,000,000 in both domestic and foreign? Is that considered a failure?

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:41:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Dark Knight Rises has done stunning numbers, no two ways about it. However, due to the tragedy in Aurora people are now talking how that may have had an adverse affect and the truth is, we will never know. In the same way we'll never know if Ledger's death had any impact on the box office for Dark Knight. I don't think Rises was ever going to really smash Dark Knight's numbers away, Warners had begun estimations of between 170/180 million prior to the shooting, so it may have had a slight impact, but there is no way of knowing. Saying people parents didnt attend? How do we know this? There has been nothing to suggest this is the case. Rises was never going to do Avengers numbers and with Avengers taking an estimated 35million additional via 3D, Rises numbers look about right for a mega 2D block buster. I'll be really saddened if we now have loads of movie journo's picking apart box office numbers for this film talking about the 'what could have been' and approaching it like an under performance. It's irrelevant. The box office is about where we should be expecting it so far and we have no way of knowing if the shootings had any effect.

We know it because every other film in the top ten at the moment, including family films fell by between 60% - 70%. Massive across the board falls.

But how do we know those falls aren't simply because everyone else is watching Rises?

I have no idea where I would check this, but presumably, for an average cinema going weekend there are stats that show how many people attend and how much money is spent across the whole of the top ten. Presumably you could then look to see where that general audience has gone, likely moving to the big release rather than some of the smaller films or ones that have been out for a while. I'd guess that attendance wont have been down that much across the board, and that the drops for other films were simply due to the impact of Rises. Im sure some people did stay away, but I'm not sure if it would be that big an impact, and I dont think we have enough evidence to say parents stayed away due to it.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:42:17 AM

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Yeah Spidey made some money....but it didn't make Raimi trilogy money. The prevous one made nearly 900M without 3D added on.

And by some accounts the plan to keep this thing under 100M went out the window and costs about what you would expect a big blockbuster like this to cost.

So it did well....by is no longer the 800lbs Gorrila that it used to be.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:43:46 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Dark Knight Rises has done stunning numbers, no two ways about it. However, due to the tragedy in Aurora people are now talking how that may have had an adverse affect and the truth is, we will never know. In the same way we'll never know if Ledger's death had any impact on the box office for Dark Knight. I don't think Rises was ever going to really smash Dark Knight's numbers away, Warners had begun estimations of between 170/180 million prior to the shooting, so it may have had a slight impact, but there is no way of knowing. Saying people parents didnt attend? How do we know this? There has been nothing to suggest this is the case. Rises was never going to do Avengers numbers and with Avengers taking an estimated 35million additional via 3D, Rises numbers look about right for a mega 2D block buster. I'll be really saddened if we now have loads of movie journo's picking apart box office numbers for this film talking about the 'what could have been' and approaching it like an under performance. It's irrelevant. The box office is about where we should be expecting it so far and we have no way of knowing if the shootings had any effect.

We know it because every other film in the top ten at the moment, including family films fell by between 60% - 70%. Massive across the board falls.

But how do we know those falls aren't simply because everyone else is watching Rises?

I have no idea where I would check this, but presumably, for an average cinema going weekend there are stats that show how many people attend and how much money is spent across the whole of the top ten. Presumably you could then look to see where that general audience has gone, likely moving to the big release rather than some of the smaller films or ones that have been out for a while. I'd guess that attendance wont have been down that much across the board, and that the drops for other films were simply due to the impact of Rises. Im sure some people did stay away, but I'm not sure if it would be that big an impact, and I dont think we have enough evidence to say parents stayed away due to it.

But it shows a wide range of films - like young (very young) kids would go and see Ice Age and not TDKR due to content and theme. Two different audiences.

But the point is, we just don't know and never will.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:50:57 AM

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Agreed, we'll never know, and that was my initial point. Some people though, I've read two articles today and both raised comment on the box office and the shooting and it really annoyed me, as we cant know for certain. What I was getting at was, surely there are stats that show us what the average attendance is across a weekend through a top ten set of films, and wouldn't it be pretty straightforward for industry types to be able to look at attendence figures across the board and see if they were down? Looking at the fact that other movies were still taking cash, and Rises was taking a shitload of cash, doesnt suggest to me that people were staying away, just that the majority of people were single that one film. I've no idea where to get that kinda average attendace type info, but you would think the industry (if it really wanted to know) would be able to look at it and report on it. It would at least mean less annoying speculation on movie websites.

As for going over 1bn, I dunno, I honestly think the mixed word of mouth is going to hurt it and it wont have many average joe's going back for second viewings.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:51:48 AM

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I think overall Rises will out perform The Dark Knight as I expect the foreign box office to be more this time around. It's still an amazing start for the film.

Also Amazing Spider-man is doing fine. It's already turned a profit and I think Sony will be happy where it ends up. Sure the franchise isn't what it was but there's so much more competition this time around.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:53:08 AM

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Agreed, we'll never know, and that was my initial point. Some people though, I've read two articles today and both raised comment on the box office and the shooting and it really annoyed me, as we cant know for certain. What I was getting at was, surely there are stats that show us what the average attendance is across a weekend through a top ten set of films, and wouldn't it be pretty straightforward for industry types to be able to look at attendence figures across the board and see if they were down? Looking at the fact that other movies were still taking cash, and Rises was taking a shitload of cash, doesnt suggest to me that people were staying away, just that the majority of people were single that one film. I've no idea where to get that kinda average attendace type info, but you would think the industry (if it really wanted to know) would be able to look at it and report on it. It would at least mean less annoying speculation on movie websites.

As for going over 1bn, I dunno, I honestly think the mixed word of mouth is going to hurt it and it wont have many average joe's going back for second viewings.

You can compare it to how attendence was affected by a similar film last year or by how the films were dropping week on week before TDKR.

There are systems you can use. But at the end it only tells you whether people stayed away, not how many people didn't turn up.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 9:57:50 AM

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I think overall Rises will out perform The Dark Knight as I expect the foreign box office to be more this time around. It's still an amazing start for the film.

Also Amazing Spider-man is doing fine. It's already turned a profit and I think Sony will be happy where it ends up. Sure the franchise isn't what it was but there's so much more competition this time around.

Spiderman has done fine box office, but it doesn't feel anywhere like as successful as the Raimi films. Honestly, I think the reboot angle hurt it. My missus and a few people in my office (who I generally use as a gauge to judge the reaction of the general non-cinema geek audience) all complained that it basically started again, they didnt really pick up on some of the differences in the origin tale between the two versions, all they really saw was an origin tale they'd already recently seen. In advance of the film I wasnt really sure it that kinda thing would bother joe public, but it seems like it did. My missus liked it, but she said the first half was boring cos it was stuff we already knew. Trust me, she knows nothign of comic book culture and history, so everyting she knows of SPiderman, pretty much comes from the films, and she knew she was basically being given the same film now that she was given back in 2001/2 (whenever the hell it was). If my missus can pick up on something like that, did the general audience too, did they stay away cos it was covering old ground?

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 10:00:23 AM

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Anecdotally speaking though given that WB were predicting $170 milllion, tracking was in line with the Avengers and most if not all tracking websites were expecting more it would indicate that people did stay away.

Additionally Spider-man 3 got very average reviews and yet opened 72% higher than it's much loved predecessor. Given the esteem in which the Dark Knight is held and the fact that Rises got great reviews you would expect a bigger increase than $2 million.

However, it's pretty hard to definitively say that people stayed away because of the tragedy

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 4:36:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Dark Knight Rises has done stunning numbers, no two ways about it. However, due to the tragedy in Aurora people are now talking how that may have had an adverse affect and the truth is, we will never know. In the same way we'll never know if Ledger's death had any impact on the box office for Dark Knight. I don't think Rises was ever going to really smash Dark Knight's numbers away, Warners had begun estimations of between 170/180 million prior to the shooting, so it may have had a slight impact, but there is no way of knowing. Saying people parents didnt attend? How do we know this? There has been nothing to suggest this is the case. Rises was never going to do Avengers numbers and with Avengers taking an estimated 35million additional via 3D, Rises numbers look about right for a mega 2D block buster. I'll be really saddened if we now have loads of movie journo's picking apart box office numbers for this film talking about the 'what could have been' and approaching it like an under performance. It's irrelevant. The box office is about where we should be expecting it so far and we have no way of knowing if the shootings had any effect.

We know it because every other film in the top ten at the moment, including family films fell by between 60% - 70%. Massive across the board falls.

The same thing happened when The Dark Knight was released. The same thing happened when The Avengers was released. Other films suffer steep declines when a massive movie opens. Shocking I know.

Besides Brave only dropped 45%.

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Also Amazing Spider-man is doing fine. It's already turned a profit and I think Sony will be happy where it ends up. Sure the franchise isn't what it was but there's so much more competition this time around.

Spider-Man is Sony's tent-pole release of the year. They expect it to do more than fine. They expect it to be huge. It's doing far from fine in the US. $300 million should be the bottom for Spider-Man in the US. It won't get close even with the help of 3D prices. This raises serious questions about the route they chose to go down. Unquestionably a lot of people were completely uninterested in seeing the Spider-Man's origin story again.

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Additionally Spider-man 3 got very average reviews and yet opened 72% higher than it's much loved predecessor. Given the esteem in which the Dark Knight is held and the fact that Rises got great reviews you would expect a bigger increase than $2 million.

Spider-Man 2 opened on a Wednesday. Spider-Man 3 opened on a Friday. Not comparable.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 4:51:08 PM

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You seem absolutely intent to write off Spider-man. It's done $615 million worldwide and counting. That, by any measure, is a success. It's a reboot, the market has changed, loads more competition etc.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 4:56:41 PM

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It's done 200M more than Batman Begins for comparison.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 5:14:26 PM

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You seem absolutely intent to write off Spider-man. It's done $615 million worldwide and counting. That, by any measure, is a success. It's a reboot, the market has changed, loads more competition etc.

It cost $230 million to make plus $100 million to market. That's $330 million. That's $660 million to break even.

The only difference in the market is the increase ticket prices and the Russian and Chinese market exploding which means it would be easier for the film to out gross the previous entries.

Competition? The film had over two solid weeks of virtually no competition and it still under-performed.

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It's done 200M more than Batman Begins for comparison.

Not even close to a viable comparison.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 5:22:03 PM

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How so?

Both films were coming off of critcally panned previous entries. Both were reboots of the franchise.

It has done far better than every other rebooted superhero franchise.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 5:22:22 PM

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You seem absolutely intent to write off Spider-man. It's done $615 million worldwide and counting. That, by any measure, is a success. It's a reboot, the market has changed, loads more competition etc.

It cost $230 million to make plus $100 million to market. That's $330 million. That's $660 million to break even.

The only difference in the market is the increase ticket prices and the Russian and Chinese market exploding which means it would be easier for the film to out gross the previous entries.

Competition? The film had over two solid weeks of virtually no competition and it still under-performed.

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It's done 200M more than Batman Begins for comparison.

Not even close to a viable comparison.

Or using another version of studio accounting; 2 - 2.5 times the production budget for marketing, distribution costs it has made a profit of $40 million and counting. It does have more competition in terms of superhero choice; Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Avengers, Batman.

Sony have released a statement saying that they are exceptionally happy with it and are proceeding with a sequel. Would they have liked more...of course who wouldn't.

And why isn't Batman Begins a viable comparison?

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 5:31:57 PM

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Or using another version of studio accounting; 2 - 2.5 times the production budget for marketing, distribution costs it has made a profit of $40 million and counting.

I don't know what maths you are using. The studio gets roughly 50% of the gross so the accepted means for breaking even is twice the production budget + marketing budget.

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It does have more competition in terms of superhero choice; Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Avengers, Batman.

Iron Man, Captain America and Thor aren't in cinemas. The Avengers was posting low grosses by the time Spider-Man came out. And Batman came out over two weeks after Spider-Man did.

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Sony have released a statement saying that they are exceptionally happy with it and are proceeding with a sequel. Would they have liked more...of course who wouldn't.

Well they're hardly going to come out with a statement saying they are very disappointed, are they?

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Any why isn't Batman Begins a viable comparison?

Batman and Robin: $238 million WW.
Spider-Man 3: $890 million WW.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 5:48:54 PM

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And? Batman and Robin still made a profit.

The important thing to note is the response to both films.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 5:50:54 PM

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Or using another version of studio accounting; 2 - 2.5 times the production budget for marketing, distribution costs it has made a profit of $40 million and counting.

I don't know what maths you are using. The studio gets roughly 50% of the gross so the accepted means for breaking even is twice the production budget + marketing budget.

I'm not saying that it isn't but how do you know the marketing budget is $100 million. The perceived wisdom is that a film needs to make 2.5 times it's production budget in order to break even. That includes marketing etc. This is by no means definitive but is often used as rule of thumb so by my maths 2.5 * $230 million = $575 million. I did it at A-level and used a calculator so I'm sure the maths part of my calculation is actually OK.

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It does have more competition in terms of superhero choice; Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Avengers, Batman.

Iron Man, Captain America and Thor aren't in cinemas. The Avengers was posting low grosses by the time Spider-Man came out. And Batman came out over two weeks after Spider-Man did.

I am well aware that Thor et al were no longer in cinemas (but thank you for clarifying) but the point I was making is that perhaps people have moved on to other things and so Spider-man is no longer the massive franchise it used to be.

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Sony have released a statement saying that they are exceptionally happy with it and are proceeding with a sequel. Would they have liked more...of course who wouldn't.

Well they're hardly going to come out with a statement saying they are very disappointed, are they?

Why would a studio greenlight a sequel if they weren't happy with it? Disney wrote off John Carter pretty damn quickly. Admittedly they had the Avengers to fall back on but Sony wouldn't be pushing ahead with something if it didn't make commercial sense?

Put simply we are never going to agree so I'm going to politely withdraw from the discussion. I think it's been a commercial success you don't.

Hollywood accounting is notorious for being incredibly hard to properly scrutinise as studios have a way of hiding profits if it suits their purpose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 6:05:35 PM

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I guess we need to wait for DVD/Blu Ray sales before gauging the true response, the number of $300-$400 million films has taken a noticeable jump since 3D started to become more mainstream.

It's still been a huge success though.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 24/7/2012 7:11:15 PM

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And? Batman and Robin still made a profit.

The important thing to note is the response to both films.

No it didn't.

The important thing to note here is that until The Dark Knight, even the more successful Batman movies were nowhere near the range of the Spider-Man's movies 800million + gross.

If you really want to compare the movies, which I think is pointless, then Batman Begins made more than Batman and Robin. TASM won't make more than Spider-Man 3.

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I'm not saying that it isn't but how do you know the marketing budget is $100 million.

Because $100 million is the standard marketing budget for a $200 million production. It's a conservative guess on my part. It may have been more.

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Why would a studio greenlight a sequel if they weren't happy with it?

Spider-Man is Sony's more lucrative property, they're not going to stop making movies just because one under-performed. And if they don't start production every five years on a new Spider-Man movie the rights revert back to Marvel, which Sony certainly do not want to happen.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 25/7/2012 1:20:17 AM

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Spider-Man is Sony's tent-pole release of the year.

I thought it was Skyfall.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 25/7/2012 6:09:38 PM

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Bond hasn't been as big as Spider-Man since Connery.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 25/7/2012 6:15:37 PM

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Bond hasn't been as big as Spider-Man since Connery.

Well Casino Royale did $600m which is about the same as TASM.

Its likely Skyfall will do more as its in 3D and people are used to Craig in the role now.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 25/7/2012 6:25:06 PM

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Bond hasn't been as big as Spider-Man since Connery.

Its likely Skyfall will do more as its in 3D and people are used to Craig in the role now.

Woah, woah, Skyfall's in 3D? Are you sure? I thought it was 2D Imax?

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 25/7/2012 6:29:15 PM

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Yeah Spidey made some money....but it didn't make Raimi trilogy money. The prevous one made nearly 900M without 3D added on.

And by some accounts the plan to keep this thing under 100M went out the window and costs about what you would expect a big blockbuster like this to cost.

I never took that claim seriously. Unless they were expecting everyone to work for free.

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RE: 2012 Box Office Estimates - 25/7/2012 6:30:02 PM

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Bond hasn't been as big as Spider-Man since Connery.

Well Casino Royale did $600m which is about the same as TASM.

Its likely Skyfall will do more as its in 3D and people are used to Craig in the role now.

That's a rather random comparison.

How about

Die Another Die ($432) vs. Spider-Man ($821)
Casino Royale ($594) vs. Spider-Man 2 ( ($783)
Quantum of Solace ($586) vs Spider-Man 3 ($890)

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