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RE: BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT - 2/9/2012 1:34:25 AM   
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...the caped crusader finally got the definitive big screen treatment in Christopher Nolans Batman Begins in 2005.


I think Burton's 1989 film was pretty darn definitive.

Nolan knows crime fiction. It's all he's ever done, and he's bloody good at it; so it makes sense that (a) of all the superhero characters, he'd tackle Batman, and (b) he'd place Batman in a seemingly realistic setting. Unfortunately, this leads to a real lack of visual imagination in Nolan's films, which is passable since crime fiction doesn't need to be visually imaginative, although it is by far the preferable state of affairs.

At this point, I'd quite like to see a film treatment of Batman that's a little more expressionistic than what Nolan's given us—more in the vain of Burton's films, though perhaps not pushing it quite that far.



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RE: BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT - 2/9/2012 12:24:13 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUFklia47WM&feature=player_embedded

Go to two minutes into the video. Ledger MUST have based his voice on this.


Funny that Waits' character is actualy quite Joker like, mischievous and evasive.

Go to about 8:18 in the video where he goes 'Hmm mmm ... yeah'. Half expected him to say after that 'Now we're talkin', from his Agent of Chaos speech in TDK.

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RE: BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT - 2/9/2012 12:24:46 PM   
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In the next Batman film I'd like to see Gotham City and not New York City.




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RE: BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT - 4/9/2012 12:58:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darth silas

...the caped crusader finally got the definitive big screen treatment in Christopher Nolans Batman Begins in 2005.


I think Burton's 1989 film was pretty darn definitive.

Nolan knows crime fiction. It's all he's ever done, and he's bloody good at it; so it makes sense that (a) of all the superhero characters, he'd tackle Batman, and (b) he'd place Batman in a seemingly realistic setting. Unfortunately, this leads to a real lack of visual imagination in Nolan's films, which is passable since crime fiction doesn't need to be visually imaginative, although it is by far the preferable state of affairs.

At this point, I'd quite like to see a film treatment of Batman that's a little more expressionistic than what Nolan's given us—more in the vain of Burton's films, though perhaps not pushing it quite that far.

Expressionistic in what sense through? If you mean the style then you maybe have a point, to be fair the point of the Nolan's films was to make Gotham a more modern city and to be a bit more gritty. However if you mean expressionistic in the story sense I totally disagree, these are very deep and emotionally films.


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RE: BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT - 6/9/2012 11:39:41 PM   
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Kevin Smith on the Batman saga:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhLUVtGCR6M

80 minutes long.

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RE: BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT - 15/9/2012 12:49:59 AM   
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Love them both, but Begins drops the ball in the third act in terms of the themeatic arc of Bats and the whole "not killing anyone".


I'm sure I'm going to receive groans from the gallery for bringing this up (but at least it'll entertain them), however I always find it a fascinating subject to discuss and the relative grey area it occupies. I used to think it was Batman who sabotaged the controls, but now I'm not so sure. Here's the scene in question:

Batman vs Ra's al Ghul (click)

You need to forward to the 30 second mark. The problem is the editing cuts quickly, so it's difficult to see exactly who did what at times. But to me, it looks like Ra's pulled out the controls from one panel when he attacked Batman from behind. He also must've stabbed the controls with his blade as I don't see how Batman could have grabbed it off him. For me, the look of surprise from Ra's is because he thought Batman had only planned to stop the train, where as his contingency plan was to de-rail the train with the aid of Gordon in the Tumbler if the train couldn't be stopped. He did say to Gordon beforehand: "I'm gonna stop him from loading that train, but I may need your help". If Ra's was the one who smashed the controls, despite Batman getting Gordon to blow the tracks. Then he would not have a moral obligation to save Ra's since he put himself there to incite mass murder and mayhem. So the line "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" is not problematic. If Batman's the one who destroyed the controls, irrespective of what Ra's was planning to do then it would have made Batman the executioner (something he professed not to become) but in an indirect manner; like the guy who 'flicks the switch' so to speak.


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RE: BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT - 15/9/2012 2:32:58 AM   
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It's definitely Ra's that sabotaged the train. You can see his black gloved hand stabbing the control panel while he's holding Bruce down.

For me I see it as Bruce saved Ra's earlier when he burned down the hideout of the League of Shadows, and then Ra's came back to destroy Gotham again. When Ra's asks in that scene if Bruce has finally decided to do what is needed which to Ra's is for Bruce to execute him, what he wanted Bruce to do to the thief earlier. Bruce sees that he can't execute him because he would be like Ra's after that but he can't save his life again because he could come back and do the same all over again to Gotham. So he just leaves Ra's to his own devices and let fate take care of it. Very grey area indeed but I see it as Bruce not killing him.

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