Fluke Skywalker
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ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker
Actually that's probably a fair point - but as I've never really read that many comics with the Red Skull in it I probably wasn't a very good judge of the character.
Still, you can judge the character as portrayed on-screen without the need for an in-depth understanding of the character's history in comic lore. I just thought he came off more camp and eccentric than threatening or pernicious. I swear the scene where Toby Jones's Zola says "this will end the war!..." (before looking distantly off-camera) and the way the Red Skull stood beside him came off more like a sketch off 'Allo 'Allo! than anything else. 
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That would have been pretty cool actually, I found the whole notion of Stark being inferior technologically speaking a bit crap as well although that is no doubt down to the energy source itself.
I had no problem with Stark's so called 'technological inferiority'. In the actual war, the Nazis were way ahead of the allies.
Yeah but we're talking about Howard Stark a fictional super-genius, not your average allied scientist there.
For instance they used what was ostensibly the Amerika bomber for that flying wing, a sort of proto-developed Ho 229 flying wing design. But using modified Me-163 Komets as piloted bombs would've been interesting (much like the Americans's XF-85 Goblin fighter) and again, adds to the retro-historical feel rather than have completely ficticious designs. Imagine a nazi firing a cube powered StG44/MP44 or Panzerschrek!
You shoulda worked on the film! I totally agree modified Panzers or Komets would have been fantastic - probably not appreciated by the masses though
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Didn't mind the repeated attempts to join up, it was just the list of medical conditions as long as your arm that made the characterisation of the guy feel to me like 'he's a total idiot, of course he couldn't get into the army with all that wrong with him'. It's even said in the film that the asthma would have been enough to make him unfit for duty, so why not just have him with asthma? Pretty minor point, compared to the questionable 'he's a total nobody before the procedure and afterwards, though the girl liked him before, now she's totally wet for him' bit.
There was a better film possible, but I felt a little bit of the 'marking time until the Avengers arrives' on the part of Marvel, as with IM2 and Thor.
I see what you mean. It probably was a little overkill and I imagine it was just the writers's way of emphasising or perhaps over-emphasising Rogers's physical unsuitabilty pre-serum. I don't think it paints Rogers as an idiot. He knew that he wouldn't be accepted, but to him it's more about answering a calling, a call to arms that he feels utterly compelled to answer and one in which he feels enitrely obligated to follow. I do agree, not being the biggest I definitely get the comparison they were making and the inference that he's somehow not worth any value seeing as he's not initially a hulking 6'2" specimen. But again, this is true to the comics and you can't escape it. Maybe ironically there is a post-eugenics undercurrent here that would make Gene Roddenberry frantically press the airlock button. But to be fair, whilst the physical change is hugely important to Cap's physical prowess and his ability to execute the mission at hand. There's a lot greater emphasis on his emotional and psychological underpinning. He may physically be weak, but mentally he's a lion and this is where his true power comes from ultimately. If anything, there's a bit of a reversal in thinking within the film too. When Colonel Chester Phillips points out a fellow recruit is the clear choice seeing as he's "big, strong, mean and does what he's told". Dr. Erskine points out he's unsuitable because of his size and what that all endows having always been big. As he later confides to Rogers, the serum would most likely bring out the worst in a 'strong man' if they've always had that power and lost respect for it. So to be fair, there's a bit of both here so to speak.
Essentially he was picked because he had massive bollocks, the repeated attempts to sign up, throwing himself on the dummy grenade. I was suprised how good Chris Evans was as well he brought warmth to the character. The one thing that was slightly out of place was his voice, it didn't quite sit right with the weakling body and I reckon they should have done something there.
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