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RE: Until The End - 1/8/2011 12:14:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: st3veebee

CONS:

- odd cgi jumping



This. The first time we see Cap jump over a fence after he gets his powers reminded me of Super Mario Bors. on the NES.

I think 3 stars is suitable for the film.

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RE: Good solid fun. - 1/8/2011 3:38:43 PM   
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Odd one this, they made the hard stuff look easy and the easy stuff look hard.

Captain America should have looked stupid on the big seen , he's one of the cheesier superheros out there, but everyone involved does a great job in making him credable.
By the time he fully becomes Captain America you're rooting for him...then the film gets a bit distracted by the set design.
The minons of the red scull are a bit too useless, there only function is to get thumped by CA, And the level of technology they're using is waaay to advanced, the ray guns alone should have been enough to win the war.
The final big boss fight was dull and Red Skulls plan was never really explained so we were never really sure what the danger was.
The ending lacked any emotional punch, I think because it wasn't fully clear why he needed to crash the plane in such a remote place, it just seemed a dumb rather than brave thing to do.

It seemed more like a set up for the Avengers than a stand alone movie, the Avengers better be bloody amazing.
Oh and the 3D is pointless.

And the bit of the ending the review gives away isn't that big a spoiler as it's pretty much given to you in the opening scene.

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 1/8/2011 4:22:38 PM   
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Actually one thing that I have now noticed (thanks to Red Letter Media) is that there were barely any Nazis in it. Sure, there were loads of Hydra goons, but where were the general Nazi forces storming across Europe? The focus on Hydra really diluted the wider WWII conflict and Hydra's (and Captain America's) role within it.

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 1/8/2011 4:27:14 PM   
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The whole Hydra thing was a bit OTT anyway I thought. Building-sized tanks, faceless goon-squad henchmen with laser guns and Mars Attacks just seemed a bit ridiculous for a film that's supposed to sit in the semi-realistic Earth environment these Marvel franchise films have established.

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 1/8/2011 5:02:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: superdan

The whole Hydra thing was a bit OTT anyway I thought. Building-sized tanks, faceless goon-squad henchmen with laser guns and Mars Attacks just seemed a bit ridiculous for a film that's supposed to sit in the semi-realistic Earth environment these Marvel franchise films have established.


Apart from the Iron Man films, none of them have been semi-realistic. After Thor and Cap this year, no-way you could call the environment realistic. It can't be to succeed, like Nick Fury said at the end of the credits scene in the first Iron Man "You've become part of a bigger universe, you just don't know it".

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RE: Captain America - 1/8/2011 5:06:57 PM   
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A satisfying blockbuster after the recent disappointments of Transformers 3 and Green Lantern. Full of charm, patriotism (even for non-Americans), action and almost enough comedy to label it as that genre. Chris Evans does a fine job in the title role, but it is Stanley Tucci's Dr. Erskine and Tommy Lee Jones' Colonel Phillips who steal the show with their witty one-liners. I'd even go so far as to say a whole star goes solely to them. What lets CA down is the periodic cheesy dialogue. I half forgive it because I think it's supposed to be slightly cliche, and because it's a superhero movie, but there are a few lines that just made me smirk with awfulness. They mainly occur during the love interest scenes with Atwell, a sub story which I don't think had enough meat on its bones.

All things considered, it's entertaining as hell and that's what a superhero movie is supposed to be.


I'd say the Steve Rogers/Peggy Carter romance was one of the most believable/likeable romances i've seen in a comic book film.

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 1/8/2011 5:07:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BatFan


quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan

The whole Hydra thing was a bit OTT anyway I thought. Building-sized tanks, faceless goon-squad henchmen with laser guns and Mars Attacks just seemed a bit ridiculous for a film that's supposed to sit in the semi-realistic Earth environment these Marvel franchise films have established.


Apart from the Iron Man films, none of them have been semi-realistic. After Thor and Cap this year, no-way you could call the environment realistic. It can't be to succeed, like Nick Fury said at the end of the credits scene in the first Iron Man "You've become part of a bigger universe, you just don't know it".


Of course they all require a suspension of disbelief, they're superhero movies after all. But they have been semi-realistic, for instance in the sense that they've been presented in a way that these things could happen/be happening without the average person on the street knowing about them. That becomes troublesome when you have 3-storey tanks and ray-guns being used openly in WWII.

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 1/8/2011 5:26:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan

quote:

ORIGINAL: BatFan


quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan

The whole Hydra thing was a bit OTT anyway I thought. Building-sized tanks, faceless goon-squad henchmen with laser guns and Mars Attacks just seemed a bit ridiculous for a film that's supposed to sit in the semi-realistic Earth environment these Marvel franchise films have established.


Apart from the Iron Man films, none of them have been semi-realistic. After Thor and Cap this year, no-way you could call the environment realistic. It can't be to succeed, like Nick Fury said at the end of the credits scene in the first Iron Man "You've become part of a bigger universe, you just don't know it".


Of course they all require a suspension of disbelief, they're superhero movies after all. But they have been semi-realistic, for instance in the sense that they've been presented in a way that these things could happen/be happening without the average person on the street knowing about them. That becomes troublesome when you have 3-storey tanks and ray-guns being used openly in WWII.


I never think that was Marvel's intended plan with their films. I think it's just because Iron Man came out first and Jon Favreau's direction was to make it realistic that everyone thought that their goal was to be more realistic. Marvel's plan I think was just to make a cinematic universe similar to their comic universe. That's why I never had a problem with the more fantastical or un-realistic moments. It's what I expected to happen.

< Message edited by BatFan -- 1/8/2011 5:27:11 PM >


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RE: SOLID....BUT SEEMS LIKE A PREAMBLE....... - 1/8/2011 8:41:13 PM   
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The best of this year's crop of superhero flicks for me but that's only faint praise really. Thought it had a good cast with Atwell particularly impressive but it was quite slow in places, didn't have any suspense or emotional core and lacked any truly great set pieces. Average at best but nowhere near as terrible as Thor, X-Men or Green Lantern.

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RE: - 2/8/2011 10:26:11 AM   
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Evans does an extremely impressive job as do the majority of the cast and the overall tone of the film is just about right. All-in-all a good film that dragged in places and was rushed in others. The goodbye between Cap and Atwell wasn't as emotional as it should have been and his decision to crash the plane just seemed somewhat arbitrary. However, the final reveal in Times Square was nicely handled.

Have to say though some of the special effects were awful. It's bizarre to think they can use CGI to turn a muscular Chris Evans a convincing weakling but that they can't make Cap jump properly.

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RE: RE: - 2/8/2011 11:02:28 AM   
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I saw this yesterday and really liked it. It didn't quite hit Iron Man levels with me but I thought it was as good as both Thor and TIH and a damn sight better than Iron Man 2.

The main reason for me liking this were the performances of the lead(s), Evans played it straight but not boring and really quite likeable as Steve Rogers a.k.a Captain America, and Haley Atwell really surprised me as she played a bit more than just the love interest and had the whole hard exterior/sensitive underbelly thing down to a T (and I didn't realise until I watched it but she is seriously hot!!). Tommy Lee Jones was also instantly likeable as his commanding officer and even Bucky and Dum Dum Dugan were quite good. I have to say I wasn't overly impressed with Hugo Weaving as the Red Skull though - it's not that he was bad, just that he wasn't that good nor altogether scary. I think this could be because he didn't get as much screentime as perhaps he should have and also he and Captain America (although they do have a showdown in the end) don't really have much of a rivalry thing going on and aren't hardly seen on screen together until the end (and that fight is over waaay too quickly). But as I say on the whole the performances are very good as was the action (although there is a bit of shoddy CGI) and the first 40-45 mins of the film with the scrawny Steve Rogers really set's the audience up to root for our hero, which coupled with Evan's performace is very easy to do - and it's worth mentioning that there is no dodgy CGI during this bit - the dodgy effects are only really noticeable a couple of times during a few of the action scenes which are not so bad as to put a downer on the movie.

Joe Johnston has (as Empire and loads of other reviews have pointed out) just made an unashamedly balls out, good vs evil action/fantasy flick which makes for a very enjoyable 2hrs at the cinema! 4 stars from me!!

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RE: RE: - 2/8/2011 1:14:17 PM   
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I agree pretty much with what Lukeyboy has said.This was a great old fashioned action adventure film with likeable characters and a great period setting.Evans was good and satisfyingly played the whole thing straight and didnt try to turn him into a smart arse like his Johnny Storm.Fx are great for the most part and there is some decent humour.Also,the action is shot without that annoying shakey cam which is so privalent nowadays.

My only niggle is the ending which is just an extended trailer for The Avengers.This prevented the film from being a truly great stand alone superhero story with a beginning,middle,and end.Instead it just seems to end abruptly which is a bit frustrating.

Overall though,damn good fun which is up there with Iron Man,Thor,and The Incredible Hulk.Four stars.


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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 2/8/2011 1:46:57 PM   
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Trouble with that is he was aged by bringing him out of hybernation for missions then put back.

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 2/8/2011 5:32:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

Trouble with that is he was aged by bringing him out of hybernation for missions then put back.


Are you talking Winter Soldier?

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RE: Raider Hitler comment - 3/8/2011 1:29:39 AM   
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Awful film,boring,bland and lacking anything approaching characterisation.

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 3/8/2011 9:57:26 AM   
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Yup

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 3/8/2011 11:30:13 AM   
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For my money it's yet another 'average' movie fitting into the Marvel Movie Universe, it isn't bad, but it never really let's fly to become a great period adventure.

I started out really enjoying it, Evans' was really good as the scrawny Rogers and although it was brief I was starting to really get into the relationship between him and Tucci as the kindly scientist/father figure. The period setting felt pretty neat and I was almost chomping at the bit for him to become Cap so a real adventure could kick off and he could start battling against Red Skull and Hydra.

I thought the first iteration of Cap was great, the montage musical sequence using him as a show pony to sell war bonds via USO shows was pretty well done and felt totally in keeping with the tone. Seeing Rogers become too comfy in that role for it to then crash down and hit home with him once he hit’s the front lines was pretty good. Which led nicely into the first real Captain America mission, and it was pretty good. Some of it I felt was very Indiana Jones (sneaking into the truck only to find two bad guys staring at him, before seeing the off screen fisticuffs - very Dr Jones!) and on reflection this is probably the best action scene of the movie. The finale of the scene with the face off with Red Skull gave promise of a some really great showdown’s for the remainder of the movie as the second iteration of Cap grew. However, that never seemed to happen.

As soon as Rogers becomes the more advanced, fully suited and booted Captain America I thought the movie lost its steam. I just really wanted Red Skull and Cap to get together for more face off’s, but from here all the action seemed terrible. The montage stuff was pretty good, but I couldn’t help think “Show me that! I want to see that mission! I want to see more of Cap taking on Hydra!” but it never really comes. The capture of Zola sequence was awful, where it should’ve been a real nail biting sequence. It could’ve been an awesome assault on a moving fortress, but it becomes confined to two train carriages where people zip from side to side avoiding gunfire. Such a waste after the hinted extravagance during the montage that started it all.

The movie then feels like it’s rushing to a climax which never really feels like Rogers has earned the face off with Red Skull, and on reflection I think the movie needs another 20 minutes or so run time. There needed to be another sequence between the capture of Zola and the finale, probably one where Cap comes off second best, make it feel like Red Skull is more of a threat because as it stands it’s never really shown.

I had high hopes for the finale though, but again the action seems pretty small for what should’ve been a huge action adventure movie. The best of that finale coming when Cap takes on the Hydra soldiers in the launch bay and then outside on the wings of the plane (great to see some actual bloodletting when a bad guy dies too – another reminder of the good old days of Indy!). The showdown with Red Skull was ok, but too brief (a problem with both Iron Man movies) and it seemed like the writers didn’t know how too end it, so choose to go with a Raiders-esque moment. But I would’ve much rather seen Rogers take him down properly.

It’s a movie of too halves for me, I thought the performances were all good, particularly Weaving, Evans and Tucci. The origin tale is handled pretty well and the period setting all looks great. The pre Captain America half is really good, but when Cap arrives, it feels rushed and looses focus. The action feels pretty small and we never really get to see Cap being tested. It’s frustrating because there was lots to like, but too much average stuff to hold it back. Plus, the score is so boring I couldn’t believe it. If any recent Superhero needed a full hero theme, it was Captain America, and he didn’t fucking get it.

Also, some of the green screen work is terrible. I don’t know if it was intentional but some of it looked so soft I was reminded at times of Sky Captain and it jarred with some of the real world sets. For example, look at the finale as Cap chases the Hydra Bomber and then look at the real world New York sets and they look like too different Cinematographers worked them. One is solid and bright whilst the other feels really soft which a color grading that really pushes out the green screen. Oh, and the 3D is fucking terrible.


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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 3/8/2011 1:18:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

For my money it's yet another 'average' movie fitting into the Marvel Movie Universe, it isn't bad, but it never really let's fly to become a great period adventure.

I started out really enjoying it, Evans' was really good as the scrawny Rogers and although it was brief I was starting to really get into the relationship between him and Tucci as the kindly scientist/father figure. The period setting felt pretty neat and I was almost chomping at the bit for him to become Cap so a real adventure could kick off and he could start battling against Red Skull and Hydra.

I thought the first iteration of Cap was great, the montage musical sequence using him as a show pony to sell war bonds via USO shows was pretty well done and felt totally in keeping with the tone. Seeing Rogers become too comfy in that role for it to then crash down and hit home with him once he hit’s the front lines was pretty good. Which led nicely into the first real Captain America mission, and it was pretty good. Some of it I felt was very Indiana Jones (sneaking into the truck only to find two bad guys staring at him, before seeing the off screen fisticuffs - very Dr Jones!) and on reflection this is probably the best action scene of the movie. The finale of the scene with the face off with Red Skull gave promise of a some really great showdown’s for the remainder of the movie as the second iteration of Cap grew. However, that never seemed to happen.

As soon as Rogers becomes the more advanced, fully suited and booted Captain America I thought the movie lost its steam. I just really wanted Red Skull and Cap to get together for more face off’s, but from here all the action seemed terrible. The montage stuff was pretty good, but I couldn’t help think “Show me that! I want to see that mission! I want to see more of Cap taking on Hydra!” but it never really comes. The capture of Zola sequence was awful, where it should’ve been a real nail biting sequence. It could’ve been an awesome assault on a moving fortress, but it becomes confined to two train carriages where people zip from side to side avoiding gunfire. Such a waste after the hinted extravagance during the montage that started it all.

The movie then feels like it’s rushing to a climax which never really feels like Rogers has earned the face off with Red Skull, and on reflection I think the movie needs another 20 minutes or so run time. There needed to be another sequence between the capture of Zola and the finale, probably one where Cap comes off second best, make it feel like Red Skull is more of a threat because as it stands it’s never really shown.

I had high hopes for the finale though, but again the action seems pretty small for what should’ve been a huge action adventure movie. The best of that finale coming when Cap takes on the Hydra soldiers in the launch bay and then outside on the wings of the plane (great to see some actual bloodletting when a bad guy dies too – another reminder of the good old days of Indy!). The showdown with Red Skull was ok, but too brief (a problem with both Iron Man movies) and it seemed like the writers didn’t know how too end it, so choose to go with a Raiders-esque moment. But I would’ve much rather seen Rogers take him down properly.

It’s a movie of too halves for me, I thought the performances were all good, particularly Weaving, Evans and Tucci. The origin tale is handled pretty well and the period setting all looks great. The pre Captain America half is really good, but when Cap arrives, it feels rushed and looses focus. The action feels pretty small and we never really get to see Cap being tested. It’s frustrating because there was lots to like, but too much average stuff to hold it back. Plus, the score is so boring I couldn’t believe it. If any recent Superhero needed a full hero theme, it was Captain America, and he didn’t fucking get it.

Also, some of the green screen work is terrible. I don’t know if it was intentional but some of it looked so soft I was reminded at times of Sky Captain and it jarred with some of the real world sets. For example, look at the finale as Cap chases the Hydra Bomber and then look at the real world New York sets and they look like too different Cinematographers worked them. One is solid and bright whilst the other feels really soft which a color grading that really pushes out the green screen. Oh, and the 3D is fucking terrible.



I'd actually agree with a lot of that. I did enjoy it but the more I think about it the stranger the film becomes. All the really hard parts of the film they managed to do so well. The introduction of Steve as a weakling should have been some of the film's hardest parts to get get right on both a technical and story level. In theory it's the films trickiest CGI and people want to watch Captain America in action not scrawny Steve and yet they got both parts spot on. The special effects were great and the character and story up to that point were extremely compelling.

When Cap does arrive I wanted him to be the super soldier he's meant to be and yet, in my opinion, we never really get a good representation of that. The action scenes are rushed and feel somewhat generic and in no way exclusive to what Captain America can do. In other words it could have been Indianna Jones, James Bond et al doing those missions. Compare that with Thor where I felt his action scenes really displayed his power and who the character is.

The thing is though I did really enjoy the film and it does do a lot right but on reflection there's a lot of things that don't quite hit the mark.


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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 3/8/2011 1:30:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

For my money it's yet another 'average' movie fitting into the Marvel Movie Universe, it isn't bad, but it never really let's fly to become a great period adventure.

I started out really enjoying it, Evans' was really good as the scrawny Rogers and although it was brief I was starting to really get into the relationship between him and Tucci as the kindly scientist/father figure. The period setting felt pretty neat and I was almost chomping at the bit for him to become Cap so a real adventure could kick off and he could start battling against Red Skull and Hydra.

I thought the first iteration of Cap was great, the montage musical sequence using him as a show pony to sell war bonds via USO shows was pretty well done and felt totally in keeping with the tone. Seeing Rogers become too comfy in that role for it to then crash down and hit home with him once he hit's the front lines was pretty good. Which led nicely into the first real Captain America mission, and it was pretty good. Some of it I felt was very Indiana Jones (sneaking into the truck only to find two bad guys staring at him, before seeing the off screen fisticuffs - very Dr Jones!) and on reflection this is probably the best action scene of the movie. The finale of the scene with the face off with Red Skull gave promise of a some really great showdown's for the remainder of the movie as the second iteration of Cap grew. However, that never seemed to happen.

As soon as Rogers becomes the more advanced, fully suited and booted Captain America I thought the movie lost its steam. I just really wanted Red Skull and Cap to get together for more face off's, but from here all the action seemed terrible. The montage stuff was pretty good, but I couldn't help think "Show me that! I want to see that mission! I want to see more of Cap taking on Hydra!” but it never really comes. The capture of Zola sequence was awful, where it should've been a real nail biting sequence. It could've been an awesome assault on a moving fortress, but it becomes confined to two train carriages where people zip from side to side avoiding gunfire. Such a waste after the hinted extravagance during the montage that started it all.

The movie then feels like it's rushing to a climax which never really feels like Rogers has earned the face off with Red Skull, and on reflection I think the movie needs another 20 minutes or so run time. There needed to be another sequence between the capture of Zola and the finale, probably one where Cap comes off second best, make it feel like Red Skull is more of a threat because as it stands it's never really shown.

I had high hopes for the finale though, but again the action seems pretty small for what should've been a huge action adventure movie. The best of that finale coming when Cap takes on the Hydra soldiers in the launch bay and then outside on the wings of the plane (great to see some actual bloodletting when a bad guy dies too – another reminder of the good old days of Indy!). The showdown with Red Skull was ok, but too brief (a problem with both Iron Man movies) and it seemed like the writers didn't know how too end it, so choose to go with a Raiders-esque moment. But I would've much rather seen Rogers take him down properly.

It's a movie of too halves for me, I thought the performances were all good, particularly Weaving, Evans and Tucci. The origin tale is handled pretty well and the period setting all looks great. The pre Captain America half is really good, but when Cap arrives, it feels rushed and looses focus. The action feels pretty small and we never really get to see Cap being tested. It's frustrating because there was lots to like, but too much average stuff to hold it back. Plus, the score is so boring I couldn't believe it. If any recent Superhero needed a full hero theme, it was Captain America, and he didn't fucking get it.

Also, some of the green screen work is terrible. I don't know if it was intentional but some of it looked so soft I was reminded at times of Sky Captain and it jarred with some of the real world sets. For example, look at the finale as Cap chases the Hydra Bomber and then look at the real world New York sets and they look like too different Cinematographers worked them. One is solid and bright whilst the other feels really soft which a color grading that really pushes out the green screen. Oh, and the 3D is fucking terrible.



agree with everything you've said here!

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 3/8/2011 3:16:41 PM   
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Did anyone else pick up a slight hint of Sky Captain with this movie?

That aside, I thoroughly enjoyed this. It's not as good as Thor, but it's a competent enough introduction to the character and his universe. The Red Skull wasn't the enemy that he should have been; he seemed a little too easy for Captain America to beat in the end, but nature of the Skull's demise hints that it's not the last that we've seen of his character (though I could be wrong). The acting was good (enjoyed Tommy Lee Jones in particular) and the pacing moved along briskly enough to stop the film from dragging.

Certainly not the one star movie that some reviewers have made it out to be.

3.5-4/5


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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 3/8/2011 3:31:56 PM   
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I assume that the Red Skull was transported to one of the nine realms that Thor described in his film? Would be funny if he ended up in the Bifrost!

Does that mean that Loki and Red skull are going to team up to cause some havoc for our heroes?


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RE: Wrong again - 3/8/2011 6:37:16 PM   
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I enjoyed it. It was a nice change to have a Marvel Superhero film that actually took the time to establish the character, and then set about showing an awesome action scene.

I thought Hugo Weaving was far more menacing before he revealed his Red Skull makeup. It may be what he looks like in the comics but he looks ridiculous and rubbery, I thought there would at least be a bit of slime or something when he pulls his face off, but it just looked like he was pulling off a glove. It wasn't much of a big reveal in the end.

One thing that's been terrific about Marvel's films so far has been the casting, I can't fault anyone in this film, or indeed any other Marvel produced film.

Fun. The trailer for The Avenger's was rubbish though. Even if it's only meant to be a teaser it's left me decidedly un-teased.
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RE: Wrong again - 3/8/2011 8:28:55 PM   
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I enjoyed it. It was a nice change to have a Marvel Superhero film that actually took the time to establish the character, and then set about showing an awesome action scene.



I must've missed that part

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RE: Wrong again - 3/8/2011 8:33:02 PM   
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Tommy Lee Jones was obviously delighted to star in Captain America

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/tommy-lee-jones-has-no-idea-what-mib-3-is-about-doesnt-know-why-hes-in-captain-america

The interviewer asks Jones, "What are you doing in Captain America? I mean, literally: What are you doing in Captain America!?" as if to suggest that the movie is below his considerable talents to which, strangely, Jones does not disagree. "Yeah, I ask myself that same question every day! The character I play is the one you’ve seen in a thousand movies..."

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RE: Wrong again - 3/8/2011 9:30:57 PM   
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1942 and America has just entered World War 2.  In Nazi Germany, the evil head of HYDRA [Hitler's secret research department], the evil Johann Schmidt, is devising a super weapon.  Meanwhile back in the United States, weak, sickly Steve Rogers is constantly rejected for military service until Dr. Erksine recruits him for the secret Project Rebirth.  Using technology he stole from Schmidt when he once worked for him, he ensures that Rogers is transformed into an extremely strong man, but is shot by a Hydra agent.  After Rogers avenges his death, he is in all the newspapers and is recruited to be a morale-boosting celebrity………


  So we come to yet another superhero movie, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who is getting a little sick of them.  Nonetheless, the character of Captain America, who first hit cinema screens in a 'cliffhanger' serial in 1944, has always been quite a popular one though I can't really see the appeal of a guy with a shield for a weapon.  Also, a person that was originally a symbol of American patriotism doesn't seem so appealing to many these days, while the first actual 'film', the 1990 Captain America, was abysmal and not even much fun in a 'so bad it's good' way like the 1994 The Fantastic Four.  Surprise surprise though, this Captain America is real good fun and easily the most enjoyable film of its' kind this year [though I'd still probably say the last X-Men instalment was the best in terms of overall quality].   It keeps things straight forward and simple and is all the better for it.  It doesn't go especially dark, but it doesn't turn into a campfest either, it just pitches itself exactly right, perhaps on a similar level to a very early Bond movie.  It always gives the impression that it's not entirely being taken seriously but it's serious enough for you to care.  It doesn't really give you anything much that is new, but I was surprised how much I was involved with the movie and its' characters.

The early scenes are rather distracting due to Chris Evans being digitally altered so he looks small and thin, the trouble being he just looks really wierd, though I don't know how else they could have done it.  Still, Tommy Lee Jones soon turns up, craggier than ever, saying things like "being nice doesn't win wars, GUTS win wars”, and every now and again we cut to our wonderful Nazi villains in their dark castle, with Hugo Weaving and Toby Jones [who really looks like the perfect German mad scientist] often accompanied by maniacal laughter and titled camera angles.  The first major action scene is rather too similar to the first major set piece in Spiderman for my liking, but just after that scene it occurred to me how brave it was to set almost all the film during the Second World War, especially as it asks the writers and director to tackle the patriotism element full on. There is a pleasing mocking element at times, especially when, just after that first action scene, there is a long section where Rogers is used as a symbol and appears on stage punching out fake Hitlers and is matted into war footage.  After that though, where the rest of the film is basically all action, you're totally behind Captain America as he wastes loads of Nazis [Nazis really are the best movie villains, aren't they? ] and may even feel like cheering at times.  As far as I am concerned they nailed the tone perfectly.

Sadly, despite the almost nonstop heroics, many scenes in the second half of the film don't fulfil their potential and are too short, such as a potentially great train attack.  There's a montage that shows bits of various action scenes that you want to see properly and seem more interesting than the sequences we do see played out in full.  Still, the climactic stuff, involving fights in aeroplanes, fights on aeroplanes, skydiving, etc, is really quite good, it may be stuff you've seen before in Bond movies, but it works and gives you a bit of that wonderful lift, that adrenalin rush, that you get from great action.  It helps of course that you can usually see what's going on, despite this being filmed in 3D, though I saw it in 2D and was perfectly satisfied with it.  Then right at the end, there's actually quite an emotional scene which rather moved me, reminded me of a particular scene in A Matter Of Life And Death and was almost as touching, though I'm not going to describe the scene as it'll give too much away.  I found this surprising since the obligatory romance isn't scripted especially well, though I've certainly seen worse.  Anotherthing I really did like was the whole look and design of the film.  Shelley Johnson's gorgeous cinematography gives many scenes a sepia quality without making them look dull, and the accurate looking [to me, anyway] period design is augmented by loads of fantastical weapons and aeroplanes, almost giving proceedings the air of a less stylised Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow.  Unsurprisingly most of the effects are done with CG but director Joe Johnston is usually fairly adept at not having the effects dominate the story, and the screenplay by Christopher Marcus and Stephen McFeely keeps the characters important. 


Chris Evans is not much of an actor but he has a pleasing personality and helps make Captain America the most likeable superhero so far this summer. Hayley Atwill does what she can with the love interest and I liked all the guys who become Cap's mission buddies, though nobody is really given time to make an impression.  Alan Silvestri provides an exciting full bodied score that has a wonderfully rousing main theme, though he doesn't use it enough and it only really makes a major impression during the end credits, where for once I stayed to listen to the music [something I hardly ever do these days].  I really liked Captain America, it has a cheerful, innocent air to it, and I don't really understand the '12'rating where 'PG' would have been fine.  Then again, notice how virtually every film of this type gets a '12', despite, for instance, X-Men:Origins being a far more brutal affair than, say, Thor.  Odd.   Now of course it's no secret that this film is basically yet another set up for The Avengers film, and I wish these end scenes weren't so much on the nose, but this one is nicely staged.  I wouldn't have minded seeing Cap in another solo adventure first though, perhaps still set during the Second World War, and I never thought I'd say that.



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RE: Wrong again - 3/8/2011 10:52:46 PM   
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I was a little worried about Captain America it could have all been really rather horrible - like Team America without the irony. Thankfully though it's great fun although depsite some especially ripe fromage.

It has a really nice old school feel and is refreshingly free of  "hipness" or post modern irony. This runs to Chris Evans' performance as Steve Rogers. He's a straight down the line, honourable and courageous heroic type of guy. Everything that Americans like to think they are. Leave your cynicism at the door and it's hugely entertaining. The villains are hissable and the good guys cheerable, the action is well staged and exciting and you can actually tell what's going on, who is where and doing to what to whom.

The effects are for the most part really well done, espcially the grafting of Evans head onto some little dudes body (although in a couple of scenes the scale is a little wonky eg Rogers looking like a child sat next to Peggy Carter in the car) and the retro futuristic design is lovely.

There are some niggles though. There's some great supporting characters but we never really get to know them. It would have been nice to spend a little more time with  the Howlin Commandoes. Tommy Lee Jones lends solid suppoort though and Hayley Atwell is a nicely feisty strong female lead and the relationship between her and Evans feels natural and unforced.  The final scene between them however is sadly a bit flat. It lacks the emotional punch of similar scenes in other films such as 2009's Star Trek where we had barely even met the characters involved. This is a shame as the build up to the scene is great.

Overall this is a damn fun film and probably Joe Johnson's best since  The Rocketeer (with which this shares much of the same tone). It also boasts a wonderful main theme by Alan Silvestri - a full on, rousing, heroic piece that's all the better for it's old fashioned cheesiness.

I'll give it 3.5 stars


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Good review...not Empire - 4/8/2011 7:57:14 AM   
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Good review there Dr. Lenera.You covered all the bases. Something Empire has forgotten how to do. I'm in the U.S now, so I should go and see it when I can.

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 4/8/2011 3:37:08 PM   
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It probably would've been better how it finished in the comics plus then you could've added a certain pointy eared 1st Mutant? after the credits.

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RE: Wrong again - 5/8/2011 2:22:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD

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I enjoyed it. It was a nice change to have a Marvel Superhero film that actually took the time to establish the character, and then set about showing an awesome action scene.



I must've missed that part

Apparently so.

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RE: The First Avenger: Captain America - 5/8/2011 5:38:11 PM   
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Nope if you'd have seen it in 3d like I did you'd have given it 0 stars! So lacking in any light/colour whatsoever!

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