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RE: Selective Empire Memory. Again - 28/6/2011 2:52:19 PM   
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Got to love these threads!

Personally, I'll be all over this like a rash at the weekend.

It sounds ridiculous, but I've been known to stick the original Transformers HD-DVD on (have yet to be arsed with re-purchasing it on Blu-Ray) just to marvel at the last 45 minutes of bayhem that takes place. It's the kind of carnage I enjoy immensely and the sole reason I've managed to extract enjoyment from the likes of even the utter, utter toss that is Pearl Harbour. Hell I'll even stick the latter film on just to skip the first hour, watch the attack sequence and switch it off after Affleck has shot that last "Jap Sucker's!" plane down.

So I'll be there this weekend, because all the reviews I've read thus far (including this 2 star Empire one) indicate that the final hour of Dark Of The Moon is worth paying to see.

Tickets booked!

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RE: Excellent Review,,, - 28/6/2011 3:13:13 PM   
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This movie is absolutely awful and this review is absolutely spot on,, fairplay to Chris for not sitting on the fence and giving it 3 stars.
For all those idiots moaning,,,OHH Blaah, you gave revenge of the fallen 3 stars and that was worse etc, Empire collectively didn't give revenge 3 stars,, that was simply Nick de Semlyen's opinion,, he's the one who reviewed it. This is Chris Hewitt's opinion and he's correct,,, Transformers 3 is complete rubbiish,, if you think oterwise you're a complete idiot!!!


Yeah,, you kinda ruined it with that last point.
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RE: Excellent Review,,, - 28/6/2011 3:18:13 PM   
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RE: Excellent Review,,, - 28/6/2011 3:21:43 PM   
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Sorry, the last point was meant as a joke,, wouldn't mean to insult anyone on purpose,,
It just gets me pretty mad though, haha,, the less people that go see these plotless explosive blockbusters,,
the less these movies will be made,,

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RE: Excellent Review,,, - 28/6/2011 3:24:58 PM   
theoriginalcynic

 

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Sorry, the last point was meant as a joke,, wouldn't mean to insult anyone on purpose,,
It just gets me pretty mad though, haha,, the less people that go see these plotless explosive blockbusters,,
the less these movies will be made,,


I meant because you said it was their opinion (the critics) and then you said if people like it they're an idiot That would be their opinion too!  But I take your point (in bold.)



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RE: What were you expecting you idiot??? - 28/6/2011 3:38:43 PM   
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On another forum I frequent (sacre bleu) a member wrote up a 2000 word screed on what good criticism is -


Wait a minute...to hell with the Transformers rating controversy, are you telling us you...sob...frequent other forums?   I feel dirty now


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RE: What were you expecting you idiot??? - 28/6/2011 3:41:35 PM   
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RE: Your star ratings are screwed - 28/6/2011 3:43:26 PM   
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Well the effects are good, action good but the story and plot are crap. Make of that what you will.

Adambatman - are you going to post your review in here?


Nah, I've finished with the film, I'm gonna leave it as it is, I've had enough abuse for one summer!

Needless to say, 2 stars is generous. I'd give it one star, just for the 3D and the action.

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RE: What were you expecting you idiot??? - 28/6/2011 3:45:14 PM   
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You know, District 9 had a robot blowing shit up and it was Oscar nominated. So did Avatar for that matter.

The excuse that you can't make a robot movie and expect it to be Oscar worthy is nonsense.


Quoted for truth. Good point RG.

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RE: no way - 28/6/2011 3:45:54 PM   
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Fallen should get 3 stars, so if its better then sequel, its four stars experience


I like your logic.
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RE: Great! - 28/6/2011 3:46:13 PM   
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Entertainment does not need to be stupid, come on people stop feeding the machine



Your absolutely right it doesn't have to be stupid; but it can be and my point is their is just as much place in cinema for those movies as their are the movies with a bit of brain about them.

I'm not saying I want every movie to be stupid, but nor do I want to see a giant alien robot quoting Marxist theory or poetry by Yates either.

I really am not one to review a review at all (I think those people are utter bottom feeders with too much spare time on their hands) BUT that said, Empire when it first launched claimed to be a massive fan of the big Hollywood blockbuster, I remember when ID4 came out and Empire loved it. How is that anymore style over content than the Transformers Movies?

I just feel their is a real sobbery evolving about these kinds of films that are basically young, dumb and full of boom.

Call me a selfish bastard, but I have days where I want a Summer Blockbuster to get my brain matter working a little (Inception, The Dark Knight etc) and I have days where I would quite like to go to the cinema after a few drinks with some mates and just have my eye balls blown out of my head without having to worry about plot or the script (the Transformers films for example).

Why can I not have both without people bitching about it?

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RE: Excellent Review,,, - 28/6/2011 3:48:16 PM   
adambatman82

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: theoriginalcynic

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jamie_M

This movie is absolutely awful and this review is absolutely spot on,, fairplay to Chris for not sitting on the fence and giving it 3 stars.
For all those idiots moaning,,,OHH Blaah, you gave revenge of the fallen 3 stars and that was worse etc, Empire collectively didn't give revenge 3 stars,, that was simply Nick de Semlyen's opinion,, he's the one who reviewed it. This is Chris Hewitt's opinion and he's correct,,, Transformers 3 is complete rubbiish,, if you think oterwise you're a complete idiot!!!


Yeah,, you kinda ruined it with that last point.



He's right though. Harsh, but right.

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RE: Great! - 28/6/2011 3:48:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: waltham1979


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

quote:

ORIGINAL: Halfling
so I can leave my brain at the door


ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH

Entertainment does not need to be stupid, come on people stop feeding the machine



Your absolutely right it doesn't have to be stupid; but it can be and my point is their is just as much place in cinema for those movies as their are the movies with a bit of brain about them.

I'm not saying I want every movie to be stupid, but nor do I want to see a giant alien robot quoting Marxist theory or poetry by Yates either.

I really am not one to review a review at all (I think those people are utter bottom feeders with too much spare time on their hands) BUT that said, Empire when it first launched claimed to be a massive fan of the big Hollywood blockbuster, I remember when ID4 came out and Empire loved it. How is that anymore style over content than the Transformers Movies?

I just feel their is a real sobbery evolving about these kinds of films that are basically young, dumb and full of boom.

Call me a selfish bastard, but I have days where I want a Summer Blockbuster to get my brain matter working a little (Inception, The Dark Knight etc) and I have days where I would quite like to go to the cinema after a few drinks with some mates and just have my eye balls blown out of my head without having to worry about plot or the script (the Transformers films for example).

Why can I not have both without people bitching about it?


There are still plenty of blockbusters that get great reviews in Empire.

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RE: Great! - 28/6/2011 3:51:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: waltham1979


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

quote:

ORIGINAL: Halfling
so I can leave my brain at the door


ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH

Entertainment does not need to be stupid, come on people stop feeding the machine



Your absolutely right it doesn't have to be stupid; but it can be and my point is their is just as much place in cinema for those movies as their are the movies with a bit of brain about them.

I'm not saying I want every movie to be stupid, but nor do I want to see a giant alien robot quoting Marxist theory or poetry by Yates either.

I really am not one to review a review at all (I think those people are utter bottom feeders with too much spare time on their hands) BUT that said, Empire when it first launched claimed to be a massive fan of the big Hollywood blockbuster, I remember when ID4 came out and Empire loved it. How is that anymore style over content than the Transformers Movies?

I just feel their is a real sobbery evolving about these kinds of films that are basically young, dumb and full of boom.

Call me a selfish bastard, but I have days where I want a Summer Blockbuster to get my brain matter working a little (Inception, The Dark Knight etc) and I have days where I would quite like to go to the cinema after a few drinks with some mates and just have my eye balls blown out of my head without having to worry about plot or the script (the Transformers films for example).

Why can I not have both without people bitching about it?



You can. And I have no doubt this film will make a shed load of money for exactly that reason.

To expect anything higher than a 2 star review though when it is not deserving is a different matter though.

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RE: Great! - 28/6/2011 3:53:31 PM   
adambatman82

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

quote:

ORIGINAL: waltham1979


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

quote:

ORIGINAL: Halfling
so I can leave my brain at the door


ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH

Entertainment does not need to be stupid, come on people stop feeding the machine



Your absolutely right it doesn't have to be stupid; but it can be and my point is their is just as much place in cinema for those movies as their are the movies with a bit of brain about them.

I'm not saying I want every movie to be stupid, but nor do I want to see a giant alien robot quoting Marxist theory or poetry by Yates either.

I really am not one to review a review at all (I think those people are utter bottom feeders with too much spare time on their hands) BUT that said, Empire when it first launched claimed to be a massive fan of the big Hollywood blockbuster, I remember when ID4 came out and Empire loved it. How is that anymore style over content than the Transformers Movies?

I just feel their is a real sobbery evolving about these kinds of films that are basically young, dumb and full of boom.

Call me a selfish bastard, but I have days where I want a Summer Blockbuster to get my brain matter working a little (Inception, The Dark Knight etc) and I have days where I would quite like to go to the cinema after a few drinks with some mates and just have my eye balls blown out of my head without having to worry about plot or the script (the Transformers films for example).

Why can I not have both without people bitching about it?


There are still plenty of blockbusters that get great reviews in Empire.


Empire's core focus is blockbuster, mainstream cinema isn't it?

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RE: Great! - 28/6/2011 4:01:03 PM   
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Just as an aside, I ADORED Fast Five. That was a big, dumb silly movie that zipped along (I thought - others disagreed) and heartily amused me. Shallowness is not necessarily a problem; lack of pace, plot, character and dialogue might be.

As for the 2 star / 3 star question, I do remember a 2 vs. 3 debate over Fallen. We erred on the side of generosity in that case. Should we therefore continue to err? This time the debate was much more one-sided. I suppose the lingering warmth from the first has also decreased.


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RE: Great! - 28/6/2011 4:16:05 PM   
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 Chris Hewitt must have some serious balls on him. He'll probably need a police escort from now on....

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RE: I'm so glad empire hate it :^) its not art house so... - 28/6/2011 4:16:49 PM   
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Well i'm not suprised empire gave this 2 stars, not really botherd, cos sometimes we dont want to watch art house french crap to make you sob and weep, we want to see shit blown up. anyhoo is there really any point for movie critics anymore ? I mean its not as if i read a bad review and think "well im not gonna watch that now" unless your mindless and cant make up your own mind thats the only reason you would need a critic.


You want to see shit blown up. Ok, well I'm sure this movie has plenty of that, but do you really think that a film like this should be given 5 stars because all you want is mindless bayhem and that's all it delivers? Action movies can be great. They can have engaging plots and interesting characters and can often be very funny. When a film which lots of people were looking forward to turns out to not have any of those qualities and just has the shit being blown up, and therefore is panned, those people go on the defensive and moan about how not all films need to be high-brow art films. That's true, they don't, but all action films should aim to be as good as, say Die Hard, or Speed.

The other point I want to make is that, I believe the point of film critics, and this is kind of obvious, is to give their informed opinions. I follow lots of critics, specifically the ones who's opinions seem to be most often in line with mine. If said critics pan a film, I'll nearly always say "well im not gonna watch that now", or I'll just wait for it to be on tv. The flicks are getting expensive and my time is finite. Why would I waste either time of money on a film I may not like when I can read reviews by several people who know far more about movies than me, and who I most often agree with, and be saved both?

I think the question you should be asking is:

'What's the point in following critics who I never agree with and then going on message boards and bitching about it?'

If you don't think professional film criticism has a role in the world any more, why would you specifically visit the comments page of a professional film review? Aren't you just wasting your time? I don't think Justin Bieber has a place in this world, but I'm not gonna waste my time going over to a fan site and telling his fans that.



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RE: Same old Sam old - 28/6/2011 4:17:09 PM   
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RE: I'm so glad empire hate it :^) its not art house so... - 28/6/2011 4:27:38 PM   
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Well i'm not suprised empire gave this 2 stars, not really botherd, cos sometimes we dont want to watch art house french crap to make you sob and weep, we want to see shit blown up. anyhoo is there really any point for movie critics anymore ? I mean its not as if i read a bad review and think "well im not gonna watch that now" unless your mindless and cant make up your own mind thats the only reason you would need a critic.


This man might type like an idiot and post like an idiot, but don't let that fool you, this man REALLY is an idiot.

quote:

I'm not saying I want every movie to be stupid, but nor do I want to see a giant alien robot quoting Marxist theory or poetry by Yates either.


Did somebody criticize the film for not being intellectual? Did somebody do that?


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RE: Same old Sam old - 28/6/2011 4:28:06 PM   
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An improvement on transformers 2? Then why 2 stars as transformers 2 got 3 stars


Really very simple Nick De Semlyn reviewed TF2 and liked it enough to give it 3 stars. Chris Hewitt thinks TF3 is a better film but gives it 2 stars, thus we can surmise that Chris liked TF2 less than Nick.By extension we can also surmise that he would have given that film 1 star. That would just be conjecture of course.

What I'm looking forward to most is Kermode's review if THIS is anything to go by it will be epic

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RE: Same old Sam old - 28/6/2011 4:29:22 PM   
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An improvement on transformers 2? Then why 2 stars as transformers 2 got 3 stars


Surely they're taking the piss now?

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RE: Same old Sam old - 28/6/2011 4:29:55 PM   
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 Pigeon Army is cheating on us with another forum? I'm shocked and appalled. What a slut.

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RE: Transformers: Dark of the Moon - 28/6/2011 4:30:19 PM   
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So this is the film that kills off the latest 3d fad, I suppose bay's not all bad.

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RE: Transformers: Dark of the Moon - 28/6/2011 4:32:29 PM   
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So this is the film that kills off the latest 3d fad, I suppose bay's not all bad.


We can all dream, right? This movie is going to make buckets of cash.

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RE: Transformers: Dark of the Moon - 28/6/2011 4:33:20 PM   
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So this is the film that kills off the latest 3d fad, I suppose bay's not all bad.


Dunno, by the sound of it the 3D's awesome - it seems it's the old-fashioned stuff like script, characterisation and performances (to say nothing of a contnuing weird obsession with dogs) that are the sore points.

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RE: I'm so glad empire hate it :^) its not art house so... - 28/6/2011 4:34:03 PM   
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Well i'm not suprised empire gave this 2 stars, not really botherd, cos sometimes we dont want to watch art house french crap to make you sob and weep, we want to see shit blown up. anyhoo is there really any point for movie critics anymore ? I mean its not as if i read a bad review and think "well im not gonna watch that now" unless your mindless and cant make up your own mind thats the only reason you would need a critic.


This man might type like an idiot and post like an idiot, but don't let that fool you, this man REALLY is an idiot.




There's something quite brilliant about it at the same time though. "I'll read a review, I'll ignore the review and I'll then take the time to register my apathy about the review and indeed critics in general on a forum discussing the review"

Anyway I'm guessing it's worse than number two cos (sic) it got less stars right!


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RE: I'm so glad empire hate it :^) its not art house so... - 28/6/2011 4:37:22 PM   
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Well argued there.


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RE: I'm so glad empire hate it :^) its not art house so... - 28/6/2011 4:41:05 PM   
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 I'm surprised the fanboys haven't spammed the site by now. Must be too busy crying in to their milkshakes.

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RE: I'm so glad empire hate it :^) its not art house so... - 28/6/2011 4:51:22 PM   
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