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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2011 8:59:21 PM   
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The bottom three now are the three I expect to be gone by the end of the season.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2011 9:16:05 PM   
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I doubt it. There's always one promoted team that starts well and then gets found out.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2011 9:16:19 PM   
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I said something very similar last week.

I actually think Blackburn have got the best squad. If Steve Kean hasn't got them a good few points by x-mas he'll be out and I think a good manager could save them if its not too late.

Bolton had that really tough sequence of games to get going but look so fragile at the back. Coyle again I'd expect to get a P45 in his Christmas stocking.

And I respect Martinez' loyalty to stay with the club that gave him a chance, but I think the writing was on the wall for that squad and he should have jumped when he had chance in the summer. I have a suspicion that Dave might just keep him even if they get relegated.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2011 9:56:44 PM   
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I doubt it. There's always one promoted team that starts well and then gets found out.


True. But I think the teams that came up this season are a lot stronger (or more prepared) than previous seasons with the other lower EPL teams being a lot weaker than usual.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2011 10:15:21 PM   
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I think Swansea and QPR (unless they invest heavily in January) are going to be right in the mix by the end of the season. Blackburn, Wigan and one of them to go.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 3/11/2011 11:16:08 AM   
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After a couple of top-notch weekends, I can't get so excited about the upcoming fixture list. But I'm also away at the weekend, so maybe that's no bad thing.

Newcastle might find Everton a tough test, but I see them getting at least a draw.
Arsenal should beat West Brom.
Villa I think will have enough to hold of Norwich, but I'd love it to be the other way round.
Chelsea to stick a few past Blackburn
Liverpool Swansea I think might be the best game to watch, but I can't see 'pool stumbling
Man Utd to outclass Sunderland
And Man City to put a few past QPR
Wolves should get a win against Wigan
Bolton and Stoke is probably game I care least about ever
Spurs should have the bettering of Fulham

Seems predictable on paper, wonder what shocks will be pulled out

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 3/11/2011 11:25:46 AM   
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I wouldn't be surprised if we lose to WB personally - Woy has a good record against us and we only got a point from the two games against them last year. Other than that, should be a fairly predictable weekend for once.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 3/11/2011 11:44:13 AM   
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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 6/11/2011 7:00:33 PM   
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Well one then

Didn't see any of the games this weekend. The Utd game was on in the pub, I wasn't really watching it, but it looked scrappy enough.

1 win in 11 games. An extra week to look for a new manager. I'd not be looking forward to going into work tomorrow if I was Kean. I'd say, after he parted company with Leicester, Sven was on the phone to India, quicker than you can say Chicken Jalfrezi with Pilau Rice and a Keema Naan. Wouldn't be too surprised actually if Kean stays and Sven is parachuted in as some overseer. Kean seems to talk a good game and he still seems to have the players with him, he just might need a bit of experience to push them in the right direction.

Martinez has the same record. But I think what he has in his favour is the team is so bad, I think it'll take more than a new manager to turn them around. So maybe he'll hang in there.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 6/11/2011 7:11:40 PM   
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Blackburn played well, unlucky not to get anything. 

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 6/11/2011 9:44:53 PM   
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Kean seems to talk a good game and he still seems to have the players with him, he just might need a bit of experience to push them in the right direction.


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Kean seems to talk a good game




Kean irritates the heck out of me. He's clearly out of his depth and hasn't a clue what he's doing but constantly goes on with the same platitudes and nonsense about playing "great football", doing the right things and being "unlucky". If Blackburn play "great football", I'm switching my sporting preference to curling or bowls instead.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 6/11/2011 9:50:35 PM   
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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 19/11/2011 1:09:27 PM   
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Little cracker brewing here between Norwich and Arsenal. Mertesacker

RvP player of the season?

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 19/11/2011 4:57:02 PM   
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Oh well, at least I have Leighton Baines in my dream team 

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 19/11/2011 6:40:08 PM   
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Come on Swans!!

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 19/11/2011 10:23:41 PM   
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Quality day of football.

Norwich v Arsenal was a good game to watch, and Gervinho should have stuck a couple away
Silva is just amazing to watch, a test for City that they overcame with ease
Utd are still stuttering, but SAF will be happy if they get through Christmas and are still within 2 wins of City. A terrible watch though this game.

Didn't see any of the others, but some cracking results. That international break came at the wrong time for Bolton. A draw doesn't help Wigan or Blackburn. QPR becoming one of the luckiest teams in the EPL. At some point someone is going to say "how much has Pulis spent on the team and where are we in the league?".

Chelsea v Liverpool should be interesting tomorrow. I think Chelsea need the win more, so home win.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 19/11/2011 10:55:20 PM   
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Why did Tim Cahill play the entire match with bird poop on his head?

Can't believe I've just heard Martinez describe Wigan's performance as "as good as it gets" and Hansen calling both teams great. Absolute dire the both of them. Typical Premier League manager blaming everything on one decision. How about your utter crap defending???

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 19/11/2011 11:45:24 PM   
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Love how well Man City are going this season so far. Just tied down Zabba and Jonno to long term deals, Tevez is well and truly out of the picture and 5 points clear at the top of the table at the back end of november. We beat Napoli away on Tuesday night and we qualify for the next round of the Champions League. Just hoping we can continue this run of form and give the like of Chelsea and Man Utd a run for their money.

On a slightly different subject, Match of the Day is going right down the loo in terms of quality this year. I have never been kean on Hansen, but Shearer as a "pundit" is bloody awful! Never has anything insightful or constructive to say, and has a definate bias towards certain teams. For instance today he made it sound like City were lucky to beat his beloved Newcastle. But aside from this little gripe, when has he ever actually had anything of substance to say about a game? I'm struggling to think of one. As a player I loved Shearer. He was everything you wanted in a forward and he served his clubs and country well. But as a pundit? Not for me.
Personally I think MOTD needs a reboot and some fresh faces. Preferably with something interesting to say!

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 21/11/2011 11:01:01 AM   
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I know it's far too early to write teams off, we are a month away from Christmas after all, but I think really we are looking at Wigan, Blackburn plus one other for relegation and I don't think it'll come from the promoted teams. Could be Bolton, which would be bit of a shock.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 21/11/2011 11:59:17 AM   
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Interesting game tonight. Spurs have got Villa at home. A win for Spurs takes then up into 3rd place with a game in hand against Everton at home, which won't be easy but they should be favourites for.

I'm not saying Spurs are going to win the league, but with all the talk around every other club around them they really do seem to be flying under the radar.


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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 21/11/2011 7:05:23 PM   
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I know it's far too early to write teams off, we are a month away from Christmas after all, but I think really we are looking at Wigan, Blackburn plus one other for relegation and I don't think it'll come from the promoted teams. Could be Bolton, which would be bit of a shock.


We've been speculating on this for the last 2 or 3 games, so hardly too early.

There is talk of Dave Whelan at 75 stepping down and his 20-something grandson taking over. That could make Martinez worry. I doubt the new blood would want to be at the helm as they crash out of the EPL. Still it's a very weak squad (has Rodellega scored yet?).

Apparently Kean is getting a pay rise. Obviously not performance related. This is a better squad than 1 win in 12.

Watch out for Fulham from the other teams. They've had a couple of standout results (only team to take points off City and 6 past QPR) but bad results against teams around them. Europa games on Thursday in all corners don't help Saturday zing and those Europa qualifiers make it a long season.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 21/11/2011 7:11:42 PM   
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Apparently Kean is getting a pay rise.


This is almost as bad as the politicians and (w)bankers in this country!

Hopefully fixture congestion will derail Spurs' season at some point.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 21/11/2011 7:24:41 PM   
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Why do you say that about Spurs?

Bale, Lennon, Modric, van der Vaart, Adebayor. I think that's a pretty sound line up. They did some great business over the summer shipping out some players not cutting the mustard and replacing where they were weak. I'm pleased to see them up there.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 21/11/2011 7:29:09 PM   
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I know it's far too early to write teams off, we are a month away from Christmas after all, but I think really we are looking at Wigan, Blackburn plus one other for relegation and I don't think it'll come from the promoted teams. Could be Bolton, which would be bit of a shock.


Those three would suit me down to the ground!

Disappointing result for Wolves at the weekend. I thought we defended well for once which makes conceding 2 (from set pieces no less) even harder to swallow. Still, there are positives; Fletcher looked dangerous when he came on and a partnership between him and Doyle could really work, and the back 4 looked stronger than they have done in ages. Disappointed that Stearman looks to be out for a while, Elokobi is the Eboue of our team; nice to have around for comedy value but he's bloody rubbish.


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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 21/11/2011 7:33:38 PM   
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Why do you say that about Spurs?

Bale, Lennon, Modric, van der Vaart, Adebayor. I think that's a pretty sound line up. They did some great business over the summer shipping out some players not cutting the mustard and replacing where they were weak. I'm pleased to see them up there.


I'd rather see Arsenal or Liverpool get the CL spot.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 21/11/2011 8:58:07 PM   
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Fair enough. I'd like to see Spurs back in the Champs League again as that team will be bought up if they don't.

More in transition I think arsenal or Liverpool could survive a(nother) year out. Always supposing Wenger doesn't decide that is below the standard he's set and walks. Both teams will have worries about losing RvP or Suarez if they don't make it.

Spurs tearing Villa apart. 4-0 would not have been unfair at half time. Hard to see McLeish turning it around.

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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 27/11/2011 8:14:06 PM   
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Apparently this season has set a record for the longest run without a manager being sacked.

However, internet rumours have it that's to come to an end - Bruce out and who's in?

Lee Clark.

All rumour obviously...


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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 27/11/2011 8:24:41 PM   
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Apparently this season has set a record for the longest run without a manager being sacked.

However, internet rumours have it that's to come to an end - Bruce out and who's in?

Lee Clark.

All rumour obviously...



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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 27/11/2011 8:43:47 PM   
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Steve Bruce is a shocking manager. Think he has had around 8 clubs during his management career so far and he has never stuck around too long at any of them. The money he has had at his disposal over the years - particularly at Birmingham and Sunderland - would be enough for any decent manager to do SOMETHING other than yo yo clubs all over the shop. But for his name in football I don't think he would get a job cleaning some players boots. I think he should start much further down the leagues  - like nigel clough did - and learn his trade. He has gone from relatively big job to relatively big job all his career. All he seems to know is spend spend spend. Perhaps he should try defend defend defend...



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RE: Premier League 2011-2012 Results & Discussion - 27/11/2011 9:10:23 PM   
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Steve Bruce needs to accept that given the slope Sunderland appear to be plundering down that he's going to get some stick from the supporters, that is part and parcel of football, if you don't like it, don't sign the 5 million contract. It has, and always will exist in football, the line, of course, must be drawn from manager, coaches, players, directors etc. being physically assaulted or intimidated in a threatening manner but some chanting and anger at the end of games is the reality, whether your family are in the stands or not, and I'm not going to feel sorry for him, nor is he going to win back any supporters by using his post-match press conference to basically attack the fanbase for making his day difficult. As is always said, there is no-one in football who is loyal apart from the fans, and they plow their money into these clubs one way or another, no-one expects to win every weekend but you can understand their frustrations and they have a right, perhaps more than anyone else, to voice their opinions.

I'm mightily impressed Steve Kean is still in a job. I'm never going to understand that one, taking over a club, sacking Sam Allardyce, appointing his number two (always a fatal mistake, if you want a fresh start then clear out the former regime, not just the person at the top of the pile), watch on as things go from bad to worse then fail to act again. He's clearly sinking, you can read it in his face, he's a desperate man and he's resorted to the standard responses after games - "plenty of positives," "we're not getting the results we deserve." They got exactly what they deserved yesterday at Stoke, they were outplayed, out-muscled and conceded three very sloppy goals. They have relegation written all over them and will continue to have until they boot Kean and co. out.


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