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RE: Serbia versus Centipede. - 11/6/2011 6:39:08 PM   
HughesRoss


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The issue I have is that I am being branded a "little sick! when all I want to do is watch a horror film!

At the end of the day its fiction, make believe, what the heck have Nazis and all that shit got to with it is beyond me!

At the end of the day, this ban is like getting out a Super Injunction in this day of age.....totally pointless, Like I said with all the anger over Serbian Film, if you do not want ot watch the film then don't, if you do then go ahead......the fact the board have treated us like children and incapable of making up our own mind shows out of touch they are.

I be looking forward to watching HC2 and then revewing it for the pointless drivel that it surely is.  Its horror for the point of shock and I very much doubt it will get much critical acclaim.

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RE: Serbia versus Centipede. - 11/6/2011 6:46:49 PM   
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We did note the comments upthread that went a tad far (and please ignore the nazi stuff, I think it's just what happens when threads get too long!

Reading the decision published thus far the BBFC seem to think this goes too far in a particular way - hence the reference to the Obscene Publications Act, which would probably even take it out of their remit anyway. I think you're right that there is a question over the effectiveness of a ban in a particular country these days, thanks to the internet. But I'm not sure I'd take that for an argument for the BBFC eg not to exist to do their job.

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RE: Serbia versus Centipede. - 12/6/2011 6:10:18 AM   
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I can understand someone saying that their right to watch this, ahem, film shouldn't be obstructed in any way but as notmyrealusername implied, because of what it is we are watching, there needs to be a line. Harsh, but true. We don't want rape and murder and nutjob psychos in our world, but we have them nonetheless.


Yes, because the representation of such acts in media is equivalent to letting rapists roam free.

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And because we try to make our world a better place I firmly believe that there should be limits; if only to help protect our children.


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It is the responsibility of the parent to protect the child from media material they find objectionable. It's called parenting - the state can only do so much to help you parent effectively, but that shouldn't come down to restricting the free ability of consenting adults to consume media such as this on their own time in cases like this.

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What will be next? Children raping children whilst eating Granny's faeces, gunnning down blind people and raping them whilst shitting on the heads? Then torturing their parents and then raping them. Then making them eat their shit? What does it say about us?


I dunno what it says about us, but that you came up with all of this stuff as a hypothetical may say something about you.

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How have we come to this? Sure, there will always be sick sick people in this world. There always have been. But there hasn't always been access to this kind of depravity.


Even if that were true (which it isn't - people on the streets could watch porn in penny arcades and nickolodeons at the start of the 20th century and history is filled with examples of state-sanctioned depravity), depravity is highly subjective - one man's depravity is another's homophobia, for instance (not saying you're homophobic). Surely moral judgments such as these should be left to the individual, rather than the state? Or would you prefer a return to the days of old where people were screaming about Lady Chatterly's Lover as if it was the end of the world because of a bit of sex.

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please don't say it isn't depraved.


Nobody's saying it isn't.

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You wanna watch it? fine, knock one out/yourself out,


This is the argument at the crux of this - it's an argument of personal choice. The BBFC have prohibited the access of a piece of fiction under the rationale that it is depraved - to quote the press release, that it could have "a tendency to deprave or corrupt a significant proportion of those likely to see them." Not only does this sound remarkably archaic (how do you prove this sort of thing? What basis does "this film will corrupt a good number of viewers" have in modern science?) but it's also not addressing the issue - by banning what you deem to be 'depraved', you're unable to monitor dissemination of the film through legal channels and, in a modern world brought closer by the internet, you're going to end up with the film entering your country anyway through online channels.  At the very least, rating it allows you to monitor a majority of the people who are disseminating the film.

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but don't get all angry when the majority think you a little 'sick' to the rest.


Who the hell cares? I could watch The Human Centipede 2 but people will think I'm sick noooooo ban it please

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What if Hitler had made these films (using actors)? He might have called it 'art' too.


Ahahahahahaha

Also, Triumph of the Will.

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I'll leave you with this; if there was a rally, in favour of non-descrimination laws/censorship or what ever u feel like calling them todat, such as the ones used by BBFC when running the rule over film releases, and they were calling for marchers to protest, in your town.....would you turn up? What about if the march went past your office? And your boss' house? What if they were carrying giant movie screens showing the film in all it's uncut glory? What if they were filming you and all your buddies and streaming it live all over world? Still show up? I guess I'd admire u a little bit if u did, but I'd question why your belief in the film outweighed most of the civilised world thinking you were a sick nutjob.


This is just a terrible argument, gazpop, I thought you were better than that. What fictional media should and should not be allowed should not be determined on the basis of what the majority of the population thinks is 'sick'. Whether you think a film is 'sick' or not is not justification for restricting the freedom of others to watch it, because it's inherently subjective and built into moral judgments that the state should not be allowed to make - it's the same argument behind allowing civil unions or legalised marijuana or whatever. You are basically saying the state should be able to make whatever moral judgment it wants as long as a good proportion of people agree with it, and you've not asked yourself why the state should be able to make that moral judgment. Is it because the state exist to enforce a moral code? No - the state exists to enforce a social contract, to ensure that your freedoms are not infringed upon or restricted by the actions of others. Are your freedoms infringed upon or restricted by the action of a consenting adult watching The Human Centipede 2 in their own home? No. No, they aren't.

Also, if the film were rated R18 or what have you, "carrying giant movie screens showing the film in all it's uncut glory" would be an illegal offence because you're showing it to non-consenting children. Does that mean that a consenting adult should not be allowed to watch it in their own home because someone somewhere might be an awful fucking parent and show it to their kid? No, of course not - that parent should be held responsible for their own actions, which would probably occur anyway even if the film were banned.

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I don't want ANYTHING to be banned.


Well now that's a lie isn't it?


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RE: Good decision BBFC - 12/6/2011 5:14:21 PM   
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This film sounds like complete crap anyway, who in their right mind would watch this so-called art fart film? Even the Koreans aren't that sick. Human Centipede can go f--k itself, haha!


Will somebody slap this man in the face?


And when did this become an art film? Even the trailer strongly suggests he is doing it for the sake of violence.


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RE: Good decision BBFC - 12/6/2011 5:16:11 PM   
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And what exactly has it to do with a pop at Korea?

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RE: Good decision BBFC - 12/6/2011 5:20:01 PM   
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I don't know. Even I Saw the Devil (The most violent I've yet seen from the South Koreans) was tame compared to things going on in the Saw/Hostel series. The fish-hooking aside that is.


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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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RE: Good decision BBFC - 12/6/2011 5:29:43 PM   
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It was also good, intelligent film-making that wasn't just presenting sadism for the hell of it or for the audience to vicariously enjoy.

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RE: Good decision BBFC - 12/6/2011 5:43:27 PM   
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It was also excellent, intelligent film-making that wasn't just presenting sadism for the hell of it or for the audience to vicariously enjoy.


FIXED



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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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RE: Serbia versus Centipede. - 12/6/2011 5:46:41 PM   
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I can understand someone saying that their right to watch this, ahem, film shouldn't be obstructed in any way but as notmyrealusername implied, because of what it is we are watching, there needs to be a line. Harsh, but true. We don't want rape and murder and nutjob psychos in our world, but we have them nonetheless. And because we try to make our world a better place I firmly believe that there should be limits; if only to help protect our children. What will be next? Children raping children whilst eating Granny's faeces, gunnning down blind people and raping them whilst shitting on the heads? Then torturing their parents and then raping them. Then making them eat their shit? What does it say about us? How have we come to this? Sure, there will always be sick sick people in this world. There always have been. But there hasn't always been access to this kind of depravity.



I don't want to single you out but I just want to address the themes that you've raised as it seems to echo a lot of people on the boards.

If it's a matter of protecting children then fair enough, but this film hasn't even been awarded a cinema certicicate which provents adults from watching the film.
Now although I don't have any strong interest to watch HC2, I don't like the fact that the BBFC have taken away my right to watch it by legal means should I choose. I'm also worried that the BBFC seem to have started flexing their muscle more than they did and this could be a backwards step into the James Ferman ruled board of the '90s where films were getting cut and banned left, right and centre.

The obscene publications acts on the assumption that films can be dangerous and harmful, to which there is little firm evidence.


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RE: Good decision BBFC - 12/6/2011 5:49:40 PM   
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(off topic, is The Chaser any good?)



O/T - story is OK but doesn't quite work. Lead performance pretty bloody great though - so well worth a watch IMO.

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RE: Good decision BBFC - 12/6/2011 6:43:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: elab49

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(off topic, is The Chaser any good?)



O/T - story is OK but doesn't quite work. Lead performance pretty bloody great though - so well worth a watch IMO.



I would agree the story is a bit weak in places but with a lot of potential but as you say a powerful lead performance lifts it up.

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RE: Interesting - 13/6/2011 6:45:57 AM   
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@Elab: It wasn't a pop at Korea, I meant their film output hasn't been deranged like Human-Piece-of-Crap.
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RE: Decision - 13/6/2011 12:09:06 PM   
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PA. Oh captain my captain. I feel a little bit owned after that systematic dressing-down.

Forgive me for believing there should be a line of some sort. I dont want to sound like my Grandad (thump thump) but a lot of the problems we're having today are because each generation is going further and further across that line. Yeh yeh, I remember when this was all fields but not having lines, or at least guide-lines would result in anarchy. It sounds fun in some ways but I've been out in Aberystwyth on a Friday night and fun it was not!

Great Simsons pic
I don't have children but if I ever do (god help them) I think I might want someone to be doing something to prevent them watching this stuff. No-one can be around them 24/7 so good parenting can only go so far. I told my mum and dad I wouldn't smoke. I meant it as well. Til I was 14. Does that make them bad parents?

It was easy to 'come up' with that stuff. I just put the words shit, children and rape all together in a few sentences. I aint gonna get my mates kids together and make a super 8 out of it though.

As to penny arcades and Victorian rudey pics, I doubt you had easy access to the stuff we are talking about here PA. A couple of saucy ladies with a nipple showing Vs barbed wire masturbation and child rape? Bit different methinks.

As to personal choice, I'm with you. Mostly. If I could be sure that the only people watching this are people who wouldn't allow it to influence their lives negatively, well, let's just say I can't. If there's even a 000000000000000.1% chance that this might make some wacko go out and do something like this, well, I don't think it should be allowed out there. I dont think it's right that it should. I know I am opening an even bigger can of worms here and I can hear and see the flaws in my arguemnt myself, I just can't think of any other way of putting it. I respect you PA (you're my captain) but can you see it from my way? I really dont want to blanket ban things but this stuff is just wrong. If he wants to form a society (and of course they are out there already) and meet up with his mates and watch stuff like this, then there's nothing to be done. Its their life. I merely feel that it shouldn't be so freely available. Pah. I can never win this argument cos another side of me agrees with you. So so tricky.

Forget my Hitler line. Dev was right (did I just write that?) Another Godwin moment. I was trying to illistrate something but left it before starting properly.

The bit where u really crucified me though was just a point I was trying to highlight about how far someone might be willing to go for these freedoms of choice. I think a fair few people might be a little ashamed and embarassed to admit to watching something like that and that in itself speaks volumes about this argument.

And it wasn't a lie. I wish people wouldn't come up with stuff this wrong. Then I wouldn't have to be pushed so far that I would agree with the BBFC's judgement on this.

Feel free to tear me a new one though. Again.......And I'm sorry I let you down boss.....



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RE: Decision - 13/6/2011 1:41:42 PM   
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I'll be honest and say I haven't read through the entire thread, but surely attacking the BBFC, the film, the director and/or anyone else for whatever reason is moot isn't it? Those who want to see it will easily and legally be able to buy it on DVD or BR from whatever country that releases it, some will legally download it from whatever legit worldwide download site is out there and others will just nick it off a torrent or sharing forum. Personally I'm interested to see it, but only from a "see what all the fuss is about" point of view, but I'm sure, like 99% of 80s Italian cannibal films (which, admittedly, are a bit tame by today's standards) I'll just think it's rubbish and think nothing more of it. I certainly don't want to spend 8 to see it at the flicks, which I'm sure can be said of most folk.

I don't think this is a sign of the BBFC returning to its bad old days. Not yet, at least anyway - either the film itself IS genuinely the sickest thing that's ever been made, or (more likely) one or more of the viewing panel took exception to some or all of its content. That happens very rarely now and, for the record, I think the BBFC do a very difficult job well (although, at the same time, I am otherwise totally against enforced censorship). People just forget that in most other countries you can legally buy an unrated DVD or BR of a film when it comes out on domestic release whereas, because of law passed by central government (NOT the BBFC), us Brits do not have that option. I would hate to see what the MPAA's theatrical and rated domestic versions of HC2 come out like if it is as bad as is being suggested - R rated, fifty minutes long, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, continuity completely pissed up the wall. But, shortly after its domestic home release, our US counterparts will then be able to trundle down to their local Virgin Megastore/Tower Records/whichever one is still in business and be able to pick up a completely unrated version of it. And it'll probably be sat on a shelf quite happily next to Barney the Dinosaur DVDs. It's just because that we don't have that luxury that we still get in a tizz when something like this happens. Yeah, it's annoying as fuck, but that's what we've got in this country. So buy the unrated region 1 DVD when it comes out.

Did A Serbian Film ever get the okay from the BBFC? (that's not a rhetorical question or point - I genuinely don't know the answer)

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 13/6/2011 1:47:26 PM   
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A Serbian Film was released but with cuts!....

I find it quite funny seeing it on the shelf of Blockbuster

The end of the day HC2 is going to be one of the most downloaded films of the year, this ban has just made horror fans more desperate to see it.  I did not care less about it because the first one was overhyped and not that good, but I am curious to see what the fuss is all about in this one!

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RE: Interesting - 13/6/2011 2:00:10 PM   
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@Elab: It wasn't a pop at Korea, I meant their film output hasn't been deranged like Human-Piece-of-Crap.


It hasn't been as deranged as France, USA, Japan, Denmark and Italy's output either.


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RE: Decision - 13/6/2011 2:21:48 PM   
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PA. Oh captain my captain. I feel a little bit owned after that systematic dressing-down.


It's what I do. Nothing personal.

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I dont want to sound like my Grandad (thump thump) but a lot of the problems we're having today are because each generation is going further and further across that line.


Is that necessarily the case, though? While I wouldn't hold up The Human Centipede 2 as some paragon of social rights, through the crossing of lines we break down social prejudices and take action against backward ways of thinking. Hence why a more rigorous ratings system without banning stuff unless it actually presents real criminal activity would be more effective than just straight out banning what we don't like, because straight out banning what we don't like is mired in moral politics - politics that bog down political and social discourse in every country and stop people from progressing because God mandated this is wrong or whatever.

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I don't have children but if I ever do (god help them) I think I might want someone to be doing something to prevent them watching this stuff. No-one can be around them 24/7 so good parenting can only go so far. I told my mum and dad I wouldn't smoke. I meant it as well. Til I was 14. Does that make them bad parents?


No it doesn't make them bad parents. But those smokes had to come from somewhere - shops won't sell to minors, so somewhere down the line there's a bad, or at least dubiously effective, parent responsible (if you actually bought the smokes, well, then, that's another thing entirely). Ratings standards are put in place to inform parents and vendors what they should and should not be providing children - it relies entirely on the responsibility of the adult, and just because a parent or a vendor is irresponsible, does that mean we should ban everything that they could potentially be irresponsible with? Why, I don't know why we don't just ban anything not suitable for kids if this remote possibility of irresponsibility is too much.

Also, why were you driven to smokes? I would bet in part because it was a forbidden fruit - and much like the Video Nasties of the 1980s, part of what would entice kids to HC2 is that it is banned, it's sooooo extreme that mum and dad can't even watch it. Which of course just means kids go onto Pirate Bay and download a DVD rip unless the parents stop them. Banning the film doesn't actually solve any potential issue of consumption by children.

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As to penny arcades and Victorian rudey pics, I doubt you had easy access to the stuff we are talking about here PA. A couple of saucy ladies with a nipple showing Vs barbed wire masturbation and child rape? Bit different methinks.


The content is perhaps different, but the reaction to the content was largely the same. They were having this debate eighty years ago about Lady Chatterley's Lover, and that just had sex.

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As to personal choice, I'm with you. Mostly. If I could be sure that the only people watching this are people who wouldn't allow it to influence their lives negatively, well, let's just say I can't. If there's even a 000000000000000.1% chance that this might make some wacko go out and do something like this, well, I don't think it should be allowed out there. I dont think it's right that it should. I know I am opening an even bigger can of worms here and I can hear and see the flaws in my arguemnt myself, I just can't think of any other way of putting it. I respect you PA (you're my captain) but can you see it from my way? I really dont want to blanket ban things but this stuff is just wrong. If he wants to form a society (and of course they are out there already) and meet up with his mates and watch stuff like this, then there's nothing to be done. Its their life. I merely feel that it shouldn't be so freely available. Pah. I can never win this argument cos another side of me agrees with you. So so tricky.


I can see it from your way, but the problem with your way is that you're approaching this like everything that could even potentially be remotely harmful should just be banned. You're basically saying "x could potentially cause y though I have nothing to back up this suggestion, so let's ban x" - the same arguments were being made about rock 'n' roll in the 1960s and 1970s and the same arguments are being made about video games now. Let's look at it this way - who is going to watch The Human Centipede 2 and become 'corrupted' by it? The only people likely to consume it will be consenting adults who know what they're getting into - perhaps the occasional nutcase who gets off on these things, but people have been 'corrupted' (allegedly) by stuff that's far less macabre and far more socially acceptable - Catcher in the Rye, for instance, or The Bible (yes I went there). So should we just ban stuff that incites fervour in someone? Should we ban political texts that inspire dissent and revolution because people may die in the process of that revolution? Should we ban religious texts because some people read them violently? I don't think the minimal potential for harm to be caused by someone misinterpreting the work due to their own issues justifies banning it, just as I don't think said potential for harm should cause the banning of any other piece of work, because the chance of harm is minimal and remote.

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I think a fair few people might be a little ashamed and embarassed to admit to watching something like that and that in itself speaks volumes about this argument.


In this day and age, people are ashamed to watch porn. People are ashamed to be gay. I'm not saying that we should legalise barb-wire rape and human centipeding, but I am saying that the only reason people feel ashamed about watching this sort of thing is because of the societal pressures in place in the first place that make it unacceptable in the eyes of greater society. People shouldn't be shamed because they watched a movie someone else thinks is objectionable - likewise, we shouldn't be suggesting that people should only be allowed to view stuff they would willingly admit to viewing in a public sphere. There's a reason we place such a primacy on the separation of the private and public spheres - what people do with their own time is their own business unless they're infringing on another's rights, and watching a movie that someone else thinks is depraved is not infringing on another's rights.

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Feel free to tear me a new one though. Again.......And I'm sorry I let you down boss.....


You didn't let me down, I just get a bit fired up in these things.


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RE: Decision - 13/6/2011 3:51:14 PM   
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RE: Decision - 13/6/2011 5:04:11 PM   
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RE: Decision - 13/6/2011 9:15:18 PM   
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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 14/6/2011 2:44:36 PM   
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I have no intention of seeing the first film it just seems to revolting for words I`m just wondering how they managed to get the first one in the cinemas it seems almost as bad? Maybe because the guy who creates the human centipede is a mad scientist and its another warning about the dangers of sciencific research a moral that can justify the films existence whereas apparently this version is just about some sick bloke getting sexually off on watching a movie of it? I don`t know if he gets he`s punishement for watchng it but I suppose a film like that is harder to justify?

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 14/6/2011 7:47:08 PM   
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I`m just wondering how they managed to get the first one in the cinemas it seems almost as bad?


Because it was pretty tame.


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Fuck Censorship - 14/6/2011 7:49:30 PM   
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It doesn't make sense in this day and age to censor anything. The fact that a film like A Serbian Film can be passed with cuts and yet a film such as Human Centipede II is rejected just makes no sense whatsoever. A Serbian Film contains pedophilia, brutal violence, incest, and countless other horrific things, and it isn't even a horror film. Horror films succeed on the basis that they scare the audience (or, in more modern times, disgust them). Audiences aren't scared (or disgusted) by the same thing for very long, so filmmakers must keep upping the ante. it's therfore unrealistic to censor things. Tom Six's reaction is, however, totally childish. Saying 'film is art' is the biggest copout in history. Film is not art. Film is an artistic medium, just like music or the written word. To be a true piece of art, a film must be recognised as such. It's not up to the director to decide whether his film is art or not. So Tom Six hasn't really helped his own cause there either.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 14/6/2011 7:51:56 PM   
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As Dev says - so relatively tame in fact it's even had an outing on the SyFy channel.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 14/6/2011 7:59:12 PM   
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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 14/6/2011 9:24:22 PM   
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It's the film equivalent of Goatse.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 14/6/2011 10:29:39 PM   
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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 15/6/2011 1:34:55 AM   
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RE: Fuck Censorship - 15/6/2011 2:02:58 AM   
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It doesn't make sense in this day and age to censor anything. The fact that a film like A Serbian Film can be passed with cuts and yet a film such as Human Centipede II is rejected just makes no sense whatsoever. A Serbian Film contains pedophilia, brutal violence, incest, and countless other horrific things, and it isn't even a horror film. Horror films succeed on the basis that they scare the audience (or, in more modern times, disgust them). Audiences aren't scared (or disgusted) by the same thing for very long, so filmmakers must keep upping the ante. it's therfore unrealistic to censor things. Tom Six's reaction is, however, totally childish. Saying 'film is art' is the biggest copout in history. Film is not art. Film is an artistic medium, just like music or the written word. To be a true piece of art, a film must be recognised as such. It's not up to the director to decide whether his film is art or not. So Tom Six hasn't really helped his own cause there either.


I do agree that censoring makes no sense at this stage of humanity, but well, I live in a country where "censorship" is a bad word.

I do think Six does well in trying to defend his piece, how it comes up is a completely different story. In my own opinion and completely biased by my education on Literary criticism a piece is art not because it is recognized as such but because it has a constructive principle. The Human Centipede did indeed have a constructive principle but I doubt the second part do more than predating the principle of the first. for the record, I think "The Human centipede" is an OK film but mostly just because it has a great villain. I was not eager to watch the second part but knowing it was censored just makes me want to know why, and even when I seriously doubt it reaches a level where censoring it could actually be in discussion, I'll watch it. I feel this measure makes little sense because it actually helps the film.


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The Return Of The Video Nasty - 16/6/2011 12:01:54 PM   
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So the BBFC, the British Borad of Film Classification, has outright banned the forthcoming 'The Human Centepide 2 (Full Sequence)' because it contains "unacceptable material throughout which cannot be remedied with cuts". Now, whilst I haven't seen the original "The Human Centipede" film (nor have any deisre too) it got me thinking about past and current times.


As a guy born in mid 1970's, I remeber all to well the dawn of the VHS age and the glouriously graphic videos that adorned the local Video Shop (remember them? I used to think the people who ran them had a genuine intrest in the film making process and how films were made, I realised later they were more concerned about renting out bootlegs of 'E.T.', 'Return Of The Jedi or any other major blockbuster not yet released) and remember seeing titles that included 'SS' this, 'Zombie' thing and 'Nazi Camp'that.


But during this period the country was in recession, there was major industrial action gestating (in the form of the Miner's
Strike) and there was a Conservative Government. Sound familiar?.

But then it all changed.


The Video Recordings Act 1984 saw to that. It meant that many films never saw the light of day (legally) for 15 years or more. Indeed, we can all relate to the one lad in school who had a copy of 'A Clockwork Orange', "Cannibal Holocaust" or 'The Exorcist' which was normally of such appalling quality the films became parodies rather than admired for what they were. I remember seeing a copy of 'The Exorcist' with the first 20 minutes missing.


Last time there were major furors over the banning of films was the tragic murder of Jamie Bulger and the inexplicable link to 'Child's Play 3' that the press generated (so much so, that the Police Inspector in charge commented: "If you are going to link this murder to a film, you might as well link it to The Railway Children") and the delay in releasing Reservoir Dogs because of it's extreme violence, which whilst violent in very few scenes, is nowhere near as violent as recent releases such as 'Machete' or the last 'Rambo' film.


But whilst the BBFC have explained in great detail as to why the film has been banned for distrubiton (to the point of revealing graphic scenes or "spoilers"), it makes me wonder why?


There has been a huge influx of 'Gore-Porn' or 'Torture-Porn' horror films into mainstream cinema and direct to DVD releases over the last 10 years, some of which have had large success (The Saw series being the most obvious. I watched the first one and enjoyed it). These films are trying to outdo the last, be it in more extreme ways or in more current manners (the resurgence of the 3D format).

However, the BBFC allowed the release of 'A Serbian Film' last year with over 4 minutes removed from it. I'd rather not reveal the plot (and again nor have I seen it nor have any desire too) but when you compare this to 'The Human Centipede 2', I see little or no difference between the two films. In fact, A Serbian Film would be the one of the two I'd least like to see.

But what of 'The Human Centipede 2'? What happens to that now? Does it fall into the pantheon of films that gain a cult following because it's been banned? Or will we now have a succession of films that will try and out-do it's content? In this modern age, gaining access to it will be as easy as watching the latest reality star's racy home video or seeing which pop star has been hoovering some of Persia's finest up their nose.

Either way, I won't be watching.

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