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RE: meh. - 7/6/2011 5:04:02 AM   
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I've been up far too late reading about all this.

I'm off to bed with some sandpaper.

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RE: Banned? -_- (sigh) get a grip. - 7/6/2011 7:24:49 AM   
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RE: Banned? -_- (sigh) get a grip. - 7/6/2011 8:11:42 AM   
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I don't tend to agree with censorship, but I do think the BBFC do a pretty excellent job. It is exceptionally rare that they refuse to give a certificate to something, and when they do it's because they feel that the film invites the audience to either cause harm or to get off on violent acts. HC2 would seem to fall into the latter category. Judging from the BBFC's statement, the film presents extreme sexual violence as something to enjoy and get off on. Hey, I might be wrong, but that's what it sounds like. That's been something that will get your film refused a certificate for many years, and I think there's good reasoning behind that.

Would people prefer we had no film censorship system at all?

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RE: meh. - 7/6/2011 11:22:15 AM   
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I realise that my opinion will not be a popular one, but I totally agree with censorship and in this case the banning of this film. Whilst I don't believe that watching violent and graphic films creates serial killers and rapists, I do think that our society it becoming more and more desensitised to violent and sexual imagery. Films such as this are being made as entertainment or art- What does that say about our society's moral standing? This isnt about freedom of speech it is just not right.
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RE: - 7/6/2011 11:43:01 AM   
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Im a big horror fan but the mere thought of Human Centipede First Sequence made my stomach turn and by reading about the details of this sequel I dont understand how you can class it as entertaining to watch this level of depravity....we all know that things like this go on and that there are some very sick individuals out there but I dont believe that it has a place within the realms of entertainment....it is taking the genre too far....Horror doesnt need to have this level of brutality!
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Tom Six IS a fucking idiot. - 7/6/2011 11:43:56 AM   
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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 7/6/2011 11:58:09 AM   
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I'll watch anything once... but reading that made me feel a bit sick.

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RE: meh. - 7/6/2011 12:04:16 PM   
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I don't agree with censorship BUT the description of the stuff in Human Centipede 2 just boggles my mind as to why anyone would want to watch this shit? and to the prick of a Director claiming it's art! Fuck Off, you didn't film this as "art" you just tried to come up with the sickest thing you could think off and filmed it, to stir up controversy and then pull the "but it's art" bullshit.

I haven't watched A Serbian Film, and have no intention to do so because I can't see why anyone would want to watch this

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RE: Forced Defecation?? - 7/6/2011 12:04:20 PM   
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Is it actually illegal to own these films in the UK, or is it just illegal for them to be sold/distributed/broadcast? It seems a bit unlikely you'd get fined or go to jail for owning a piece of fiction.


Also, lol at the notion of America being a paragon of liberalism. My mum was there a couple of weeks ago and it was illegal to buy a beer on a Sunday in the state she was in. I'll take fractionally stricter movie censorship over that shit any day



Your Mom must have been in the deep South, my friend.

Where I think they just buy their beers on every other day of the week...and then DRINK them on Sunday.

But you're right it's exactly the same kind of censorship.


She was - it was Georgia. And I don't recall stating it was exactly the same kind of censorship.

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RE: Who funded this? - 7/6/2011 1:42:44 PM   
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 Can't believe my post got deleated and you kept most of the other off topic shite in?! took me fookin ages!!

Bastards!!

Anyway my point was along the lines of glad they've banned the film. Bad taste for the sake of bad taste; the director thinks it's 'art'?! He needs therapy!! When are we gonna draw the line with movies...!? Who finds this shit entertaining?? more concerned about how de-censorised as a civilized society we are becoming when bollocks like this is even argued as something people wanna watch?!

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RE: - 7/6/2011 2:32:17 PM   
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Hang on a fucking minute winkle, the film is an 18 cert. I am 43 going on 12,I will make my own mind up whether to watch this shite or not,I am responsible enough to know right from wrong,sometimes.please disagree with me someone


Totally agree with this...

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Let's not get carried away - 7/6/2011 3:18:44 PM   
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 for a start no-one on here has actually seen the film so all this hyperventilating over how sick and depraved it is is a moot point - you really can't criticise something until you've seen it. If I remember correctly there was a lot of ho-ha about the first film by the way it was described in the press but as many people have stated on here once you actually watch the movie it's not actually that graphic (much like Texas Chain Saw Massacre, Child's Play, Hostel, Saw etc aren't nearly as repulsive as the likes of the Daily Mail would have your believe).

It seems to me people are getting their knickers in a twist over a handful of scenes picked out by the BBFC - who's to say the whole movie isn't the next Reservoir Dogs (another film that on paper appeared more violent than it actually was). I doubt it but you get my point - I'll reserve judgement until I actually see it.

I for one would love to see both movies (just waiting for HMV to knock the price down on HC1) and A Serbian Film (although that's quite cheap now...must get round to picking it up). Having seen the very close-up female castration scene in Antichrist I really can't imagine anything is more nasty than that (and for the most part that film was really quite dull).



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RE: Let's not get carried away - 7/6/2011 3:28:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChudMonkey
It seems to me people are getting their knickers in a twist over a handful of scenes picked out by the BBFC - who's to say the whole movie isn't the next Reservoir Dogs


If it were a "handful of scenes", the BBFC would have identified these to the Director for them to be amended, allowing Tom Six to to get a certificate to distribute.

From the BBFC's statement, it seems to be more than a "handful of scenes"

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RE: - 7/6/2011 3:41:18 PM   
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why did he use 4 stars to cover just 1 letter?


Because it's the only time he'll get 4 stars for a film?

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RE: - 7/6/2011 3:44:25 PM   
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Basically I agree with all Tom Six says. Whilst the subject matter may not be my cup of tea, I'd much rather decide for myself if it's suitable for me to watch.
From the BBFC spoilers I probably wouldn't have watched this, but as it is a work of pure fiction I shouldn't be told that I can't view it.
The first film (which I have seen) was nowhere near as graphic or sick as some will claim, presumably people who haven't actually seen it, much in the same way that people condemning this latest film wont have seen it.
Whilst it seems only a small minority of people would want to watch it they should be able to. If you don't want to watch something simply don't watch it, but don't force your views onto others.
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RE: - 7/6/2011 4:01:35 PM   
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It is art?

Funny how people can claim anything as art ...

To be fair to the BBFC and as the article states - they dont do this very often anymore - and seeing as none of us have seen the movie we can only assume it must be apretty unpleasant f+-king film to warrant this ban .. so good on em!

To say a horror films only redeeming factor is that it needs to be horrific? and deserves to be seen? Ridiciulous! - this is not a documentrya where horrific images can be classed as inofrmative - its a movie wallowing in horrific sexual and abusive imagery as a means of entertainment. I hate this kinda crap!

Reminds me of those face of death movies thaht were out in the nineties which were banned and only grubby teenage boys wanted to watch them becuase they were trying to show off how tough they were - when everyone knows these movies arent to be enjoyed, but rather endured as a spectacle of how horrific a movie can be without being banned - and looks like theyve succeeded with this release ....

i remember watching the trailer for Human centipede 1 and thinking 'who would finance this shit - yet alone who would bother to watch it! (and heaven forbid enjpy it)

show some class people avoid shit like this ....and good riddance to bad rubbish in the form of human centipede 2....
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RE: RE: - 7/6/2011 4:07:05 PM   
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Chudmonkey

I for one would love to see both movies (just waiting for HMV to knock the price down on HC1) and A Serbian Film (although that's quite cheap now...must get round to picking it up).




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RE: Tom Six IS a fucking idiot. - 7/6/2011 4:20:05 PM   
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"My dear people it is a f****cking MOVIE." Tom Six

Silly man. 'Fucking' censored only has two stars.



I'm more shocked by his BLATANT CENSORSHIP.

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RE: Original not very good anyway - 7/6/2011 5:07:39 PM   
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Im not sure if the argument about - 'let us decide' is completely watertight....

can we honestly believe taht just having anything out there in teh public domain is acceptable - people may say 'they can see it on the internet' but were not talking about the internet - were talking about having this on shelves in dvd rental shops and peoples shelves at home.....

by condoning these sorts of movies and putting them in the open we are supporting their production and encouraging people to continue to make them. People who crave this sort of thing will seek it out from any source they can - even if it is banned, but by making it freely available it doesnt take a genius to see that itll be easier to buy and therefore more likely to be seen by people - people who it will offend, make sick and leave them thinking 'what kind of world are we living in when you can release whatever sick sit you like on a dvd and claim its entertainment'.

People who make these movies deserve to earn their living from adult subscription only websites and seedy imported dvd shops in the grimy corner of every city (just as every other sadist pornographer does) ... NOT on the shelves of our highstreet stores.





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RE: unbelievable - 7/6/2011 5:27:07 PM  1 votes
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people keep saying "they cant decide for me what I can watch" and "i dont believe in censorship"

Such broad statements can only work in a black and white world. And are as pointless and naive as the polar opposite view where all violent and sexual acts are banned.

But the world isnt black and white, its murky shades of grey.

Obviously the extreme example would be a film consisting entirely of actual rape footage with no artisitic merit and designed purely for the sexual titilation of those who want to see it.

Should that be "banned?" of course it should. But when you start banning the extremes then a line has to be drawn. And thats what the BBFC has done.

In consultation with the police and with the latest information regarding the influence of watching violence and sex, theyve drawn a line in the sand with clear and set guidelines. This way film makers know before hand what the criteria is for a release in this country.

The government has a duty and responsibility to protect its citizens from the perverse and obscene. The BBFC is the tool it uses to enforce that. Theyre not a group of old women stuck in the 1950s, theyre a serious bunch of dedicated and smart people trying to balance that hard line between freedom of speech and protecting the people of this country from obscene and disgusting material.





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RE: Banned? -_- pffft! - 7/6/2011 5:40:20 PM   
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No. The is not art. Art should provoke, certainly, and yes offend in many cases. But what is the rationale for this? What sort of statement is this supposed to make? Is this the social commentary of our day? That our lives are so monotonous that we have to seek glorification in sexual torture and murder?

Horror films are not my cup of tea and I have no intention of seeing this or the original, but Jesus there are some things that as a society we should draw a line at. If he can argue his case then fine, but he cannot. It is merely a "movie" as he puts it. Well that makes it even sicker if the idea you can put as much depravity on the screen is ok just because you can. Just because you can does not mean you should.

Well done BBFC. And this Director should be ashamed of himself.
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RE: Banned? -_- pffft! - 7/6/2011 5:57:33 PM   
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!

is varkko seriously defending The Human Centipede 2 as art?

LMFAO!

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RE: Banned? -_- pffft! - 7/6/2011 6:02:56 PM   
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 Just reading some of the above you would think the Daily Mail readership had hijacked this thread.

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RE: Banned? -_- pffft! - 7/6/2011 6:09:12 PM   
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doesnt it just? I am totally not a daily mail reader

but jesus - when the description of a movie is enough to turn your stomach and then defended as art by the jerkoff director and every knob who likes seeing people raped and tortured for fun-times.....

well screw me for getting my back up!

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RE: Banned? -_- pffft! - 7/6/2011 6:09:26 PM   
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Just reading some of the above you would think the Daily Mail readership had hijacked this thread

Entertaining though.

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RE: Banned? -_- pffft! - 7/6/2011 6:30:41 PM   
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 I personally don't care, that said I have learnt some interesting things about what sort of porn is available now having read this thread.

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RE: Banned? -_- pffft! - 7/6/2011 7:07:00 PM   
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Just reading some of the above you would think the Daily Mail readership had hijacked this thread.


wow, what an oversimplified generic statement. but then it is much easier to belittle those who agree with the BBFC decision by insinuating theyre conservative prudes.

From what the BBFC said it didnt just not meet their guidelines, they actually think it may be obscene.

Yes thats right....a film that can be classified as obscene in 2011. This coming from the BBFC who have passed such titles as "anal latex whores" "puke and dump on me" and "leather bound dykes from hell"

And the art question is also nonsense. They intentionally made the most disgusting movie they could think of, with no artistic intent or purpose greater than a calculated attempt to make as much money as possible from the depiction of graphic sustained sexual violence. And to think people will defend this bullshit as his right to make art is so retarded it makes me want to vomit. If hes truly dedicated to his "art" then make sure all the worldwide profits from the film go to charites that help those affected by sexual violence. Oh no he wont do that because the guys an ass and those that defend his right to make such rubbish because its "art" are asses too

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RE: Banned? -_- pffft! - 7/6/2011 7:41:23 PM   
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RE: Banned? -_- pffft! - 7/6/2011 7:56:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Notmyrealusername


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron

Just reading some of the above you would think the Daily Mail readership had hijacked this thread.


wow, what an oversimplified generic statement. but then it is much easier to belittle those who agree with the BBFC decision by insinuating theyre conservative prudes.

From what the BBFC said it didnt just not meet their guidelines, they actually think it may be obscene.

Yes thats right....a film that can be classified as obscene in 2011. This coming from the BBFC who have passed such titles as "anal latex whores" "puke and dump on me" and "leather bound dykes from hell"

And the art question is also nonsense. They intentionally made the most disgusting movie they could think of, with no artistic intent or purpose greater than a calculated attempt to make as much money as possible from the depiction of graphic sustained sexual violence. And to think people will defend this bullshit as his right to make art is so retarded it makes me want to vomit. If hes truly dedicated to his "art" then make sure all the worldwide profits from the film go to charites that help those affected by sexual violence. Oh no he wont do that because the guys an ass and those that defend his right to make such rubbish because its "art" are asses too


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RE: - 7/6/2011 8:38:38 PM   
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On a personal level, the film doesn't appeal to me - but then I'm not much of a horror fan anyway (not sure I'd want to see that sandpaper scene either )

On a more objective level ,whilst I don't necessarily agree with the decision (banning a film on subjective / taste grounds), I think not certifying the film was probably all that the BBFC could do. I guess they have guidelines that they have to follow, and when something comes along like this, I'm not sure they were left with much choice. Whether or not the film is in 'bad taste' is a purely subjective thing, and I guess it must be hard to objectively categorize any film.

As others have pointed out, in this digital age, folks are still going to find a way to get hold of a copy of this, even if it's not released here. So the 'ban' isn't really going to be that enforceable. (Unless Big Brother is watching us )


At the risk of getting flamed, I think the BBFC serves an important role - if we didn't have an agency reviewing material, then we'd end up with all sorts of stuff getting released here - and I'm not just talking about films with dodgy use of sandpaper.

I've always thought that classifying films purely on age groups is a bit odd - like most other age ratings - but I guess it helps us get a general idea about a film. Perhaps we need another classification above 18 - which would indicate that the film might be upsetting to some folks. Something like 18a ? For 18 years and over, but with the caveat that viewers should "be advised".

This may well have been mentioned elsewhere in this thread - so apologies if I'm repeating other comments / ideas.

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