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ORIGINAL: benskelly

And yet there hasn't been any such censorship in the US in about 40 years.

How does that work?

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ORIGINAL: elab49

I thought the MPAA was completely non-transparent in its rulings/decision unlike the BBFC? And that films still get butchered to avoid the commercial death of a dodgy rating?

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And yet there hasn't been any such censorship in the US in about 40 years

One can only assume complete avoidance of all news media. The US fines networks and scares the hell out of broadcasters because Janet Jackson has a costume 'slip-up'. Very liberal

The US seems to deal with things in a far more underhand manner. Good example - Battle Royale. It's not actually banned - but it might as well have been.

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ORIGINAL: Notmyrealusername

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

And yet there hasn't been any such censorship in the US in about 40 years.

How does that work?

Having seen "this film is not yet rated" ild rather keep the BBFC system if its all the same.

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

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ORIGINAL: elab49

I thought the MPAA was completely non-transparent in its rulings/decision unlike the BBFC? And that films still get butchered to avoid the commercial death of a dodgy rating?

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And yet there hasn't been any such censorship in the US in about 40 years

One can only assume complete avoidance of all news media. The US fines networks and scares the hell out of broadcasters because Janet Jackson has a costume 'slip-up'. Very liberal

The US seems to deal with things in a far more underhand manner. Good example - Battle Royale. It's not actually banned - but it might as well have been.

Nice try.

One can only assume you don't know the difference between regulation of commercial television and...well, everything else: cable, theatrical, DVD, etc. Not at all the same thing, sorry. And I seem to remember a big ridiculous brouhaha in your fine country over a prank call about banging a man's granddaughter. Was the "controversy" over that any less absurd and out of proportion? Uhm, no.

The point is, short of actual illegal material like kiddie porn and snuff films (if they existed), you are free to own any piece of "entertainment" you care to in the US. Including this piece of trash.

So...we win on that particular freedom front.

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ORIGINAL: kenada_woo

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

That's brand new right there. LOL. That's something they cut of "Singin' In The Rain"....

But seriously, isn't it silly that such censorship exists in the UK in 2011? Don't rate it, don't put in any big theatre chains, but making it illegal to own?? Really?? I thought you guys were so liberal and enlightened and America was full of backwards religious freaks and puritans. And yet there hasn't been any such censorship in the US in about 40 years.

How does that work?

Difference with us is that, to be blunt...sex and sexuality is fine. Violence has its limits.

The US...Violence is perfectly fine. Sex isnt as much.

While we have clear guidelines...yours is muddled.

Oh and we can say "cunt" on TV without paying subscription fees for cable shows.

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

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ORIGINAL: Notmyrealusername

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

And yet there hasn't been any such censorship in the US in about 40 years.

How does that work?

Having seen "this film is not yet rated" ild rather keep the BBFC system if its all the same.

Once again, moot point. Nothing here is ever BANNED. There's a difference between not getting an MPAA rating and being BANNED. Also, everything in that movie is no longer an issue because when Jack Valenti died a year later the MPAA was completely revamped and is now a much different animal and extremely transparent.

Have you noticed there haven't been any filmmakers complaining about them lately?

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ORIGINAL: elab49

That's just semantics - call it what you will it comes down to whether or not you can pop to the local fleapit and see the film.

When you can't it's because a bunch of secretive unaccountable 'experts' have passed a rating without being open about the decision or the process or a system that sees films 'not picking up distribution deals' or being cut upfront to get a rating.

Here it's an open and accountable body who are completely transparent in the publication of their decisions.

I have no difficulty in choosing the system I prefer.

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ORIGINAL: superdan

Is it actually illegal to own these films in the UK, or is it just illegal for them to be sold/distributed/broadcast? It seems a bit unlikely you'd get fined or go to jail for owning a piece of fiction.


Also, lol at the notion of America being a paragon of liberalism. My mum was there a couple of weeks ago and it was illegal to buy a beer on a Sunday in the state she was in. I'll take fractionally stricter movie censorship over that shit any day

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

That's brand new right there. LOL. That's something they cut of "Singin' In The Rain"....

But seriously, isn't it silly that such censorship exists in the UK in 2011? Don't rate it, don't put in any big theatre chains, but making it illegal to own?? Really?? I thought you guys were so liberal and enlightened and America was full of backwards religious freaks and puritans. And yet there hasn't been any such censorship in the US in about 40 years.

How does that work?

Difference with us is that, to be blunt...sex and sexuality is fine. Violence has its limits.

The US...Violence is perfectly fine. Sex isnt as much.

While we have clear guidelines...yours is muddled.

Oh and we can say "cunt" on TV without paying subscription fees for cable shows.

Wow, you got me on that last point. Surely the sign of a much more civilized society.

I won't argue that there is a puritanical streak in many Americans, but considering we are the porn capital of the world it can't be that bad. And all this is beside the point: no movie gets banned for explicit sexuality OR violence here. It just goes without a rating and has a more difficult time getting distributed.

And surely, this THC2 banning is referring to SEXUAL violence.

Face it. You guys have censors and we don't.

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

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ORIGINAL: elab49

That's just semantics - call it what you will it comes down to whether or not you can pop to the local fleapit and see the film.

When you can't it's because a bunch of secretive unaccountable 'experts' have passed a rating without being open about the decision or the process or a system that sees films 'not picking up distribution deals' or being cut upfront to get a rating.

Here it's an open and accountable body who are completely transparent in the publication of their decisions.

I have no difficulty in choosing the system I prefer.

Doesn't make it any easier to swallow (maybe a bad word to use on this particular case) that you are being told by your government that you are not adult enough to choose for yourself and need to be protected.

That would make me angry and would seem to be none of their business.

But to each his own.

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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ORIGINAL: elab49
I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

You seem to be missing the point...

Here's the line from the article:
"This means that the DVD cannot be legally supplied anywhere in the UK."

There is NO. SUCH. BANNING. IN. THE. USA.

You can go on and on about the MPAA and how films can't get a rating or they can't get distribution or they go without a rating and they can't get an ad in a certain newspaper...none of this MAKES IT ILLEGAL to buy a certain film.

There's a subtle distinction there. LOL.

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ORIGINAL: kenada_woo

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

You seem to be missing the point...

Here's the line from the article:
"This means that the DVD cannot be legally supplied anywhere in the UK."

There is NO. SUCH. BANNING. IN. THE. USA.

You can go on and on about the MPAA and how films can't get a rating or they can't get distribution or they go without a rating and they can't get an ad in a certain newspaper...none of this MAKES IT ILLEGAL to buy a certain film.

There's a subtle distinction there. LOL.

I never said there wasnt, but there is censorship in the US and the censorship in the US is muddled and confusing.

As pointed out before...you'll be unable to buy the film in local stores, supermarkets etc anywhere that sells DVD's etc will not be able to sell a un-certificated film in the UK.

BUT...you can import them as a customer not as a retailer. It is not illegal to buy a non certificated film another source outside the UK as a customer. You dont get prosecuted for owning it, you dont go to jail. It just stops retailers selling the film.

We just have censorship regulator across the whole country with clear guidelines. You pass those guidelines you get full distribution. In the US, you skip the regulator, you get less distribution. A film is banned in Texas but free in LA...you go to LA to watch it etc but as the country is so big, you cant regulate it.

Swings and roundabouts. But end of the day, there's still ways of getting hold of films nowdays with or without regulations. You may not be banning films, but states do impose their own laws. We have the 1 law that govern the whole thing.

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

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ORIGINAL: kenada_woo

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

You seem to be missing the point...

Here's the line from the article:
"This means that the DVD cannot be legally supplied anywhere in the UK."

There is NO. SUCH. BANNING. IN. THE. USA.

You can go on and on about the MPAA and how films can't get a rating or they can't get distribution or they go without a rating and they can't get an ad in a certain newspaper...none of this MAKES IT ILLEGAL to buy a certain film.

There's a subtle distinction there. LOL.

I never said there wasnt, but there is censorship in the US and the censorship in the US is muddled and confusing.

As pointed out before...you'll be unable to buy the film in local stores, supermarkets etc anywhere that sells DVD's etc will not be able to sell a un-certificated film in the UK.

BUT...you can import them as a customer not as a retailer. It is not illegal to buy a non certificated film another source outside the UK as a customer. You dont get prosecuted for owning it, you dont go to jail. It just stops retailers selling the film.

We just have censorship regulator across the whole country with clear guidelines. You pass those guidelines you get full distribution. In the US, you skip the regulator, you get less distribution. A film is banned in Texas but free in LA...you go to LA to watch it etc but as the country is so big, you cant regulate it.

Swings and roundabouts. But end of the day, there's still ways of getting hold of films nowdays with or without regulations. You may not be banning films, but states do impose their own laws. We have the 1 law that govern the whole thing.

If a private business decides not to carry a film because it doesn't meet their "standards" or whatever, that is not the equivalent of a government body ruling the sale of that film illegal.

But I give up...I made my point as best I could.

I get that you can still buy the films from outside the country and I understand that nobody will bang your door down and take you away in handcuffs. I just think it's an archaic practice, that's my opinion. It shouldn't be this board's business whether you decide to buy a terrible film about people crapping on each other or sandblasting their penis.

But hey, we're all cousins here...

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ORIGINAL: kenada_woo

But nowdays, as its easier to purchase anything online...it seems a bit of a non-debate and the only people losing out are the films distributors themselves who cant get their film sold or even sold widely.

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ORIGINAL: benskelly


Here is a completely sincere question...

What year did you see THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE (1974) and how did you see it?

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ORIGINAL: sidecarsally]

The Human Centipede has no rape, no sexual abuse, and no extremely graphic scenes. It's about one mad scientist's idea. It's a modern day Frankenstein movie. Since you haven't seen it and don't want to, let me spoil the ending: The most graphic scene in the movie is when the mad scientist gets shot in the head. That's right, the bad guy even dies in the end.

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ORIGINAL: kenada_woo

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ORIGINAL: benskelly


Here is a completely sincere question...

What year did you see THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE (1974) and how did you see it?

Must have been 98-99 when it got a proper theatre release over here hahaha. I was doing work experience at a cinema LOL

But the story of that film and its censorship in the UK is another one of those tussles with the local authority and the BBFC. Its was release for a whole year in London before being pulled and then re-released and pulled again.

Im not too sure if it ever was given a very brief video release on batamax before the video nasties stuff kicked in (my uncle had batamax versions of Evil Dead and The Exorcist that I saw years later hehe) but it was never released on home video till 2000 although it was shown on TV in that year.

Very strange but fun. haha

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ORIGINAL: sidecarsally
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What's weird about the R rating? In the states, they have R and NC-17 (which some theaters won't play). I prefer "Unrated" myself because even NC-17 can be censored. But some movies like Anti-Christ I was surprised even got NC-17 (thought it should've been Unrated because it was so explicit). R is for movies with violence, swearing, sex, or all of the above. NC-17 is for excessive amounts of those, and Unrated is for movies like Peter Jackson's Dead Alive --- which is just RIDICULOUS with gore (and an awesome movie).

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ORIGINAL: Rockin Ricky Rialto

So what have we learned from this thread?
1. Not many people like HC.
2.Canadians are mean.
3. No one likes the Director of HC.
4. RAPE IS NOT GOOD OR FUNNY!.
5. A Serbian Film is pretty darn horrrible.
6. The BBFC are good at their jobs to a degree.
7. Most people on here won't be watching HC2 anytime soon.
8. Most people on here don't want to watch HC2.

Thank you

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ORIGINAL: benskelly

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ORIGINAL: Rockin Ricky Rialto

So what have we learned from this thread?
1. Not many people like HC.
2.Canadians are mean.
3. No one likes the Director of HC.
4. RAPE IS NOT GOOD OR FUNNY!.
5. A Serbian Film is pretty darn horrrible.
6. The BBFC are good at their jobs to a degree.
7. Most people on here won't be watching HC2 anytime soon.
8. Most people on here don't want to watch HC2.

Thank you

All of which is completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic of censorship.

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ORIGINAL: Squidward Hark Bugle

Why does the BBFC have such a big problem with headbutts? Peter Pan and The Matrix both had cuts made to them for this reason, and the cut version of Peter Pan is the one that went through to the rest of Europe and Australia. Annoying.