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ORIGINAL: shool
I believe it is their right to do so.

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ORIGINAL: shool

Its an interesting debate. What would be considered outside the bounds of taste and decency to portray in a piece of fictional material. Are there any boundaries?

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: shool

I have no clue why anyone would want to see this film, or A Serbian Film or Salo. But I believe it is their right to do so.

People wanting to view this is barmy in my totally subjective opinion.

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ORIGINAL: Dpp1978
There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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ORIGINAL: elab49
I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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ORIGINAL: great_badir

richie, I have one thing to say - HC2 may well be a "sick" film. But I bet you £100 that it will also be shit. It will be (or is) a shit (as in bad) film, albeit a shit film which covers a topic and have themes that some may find unsavoury.

To be honest, right now you sound like every film fan's worst nightmare - a cross between Mary Whitehouse and James Ferman - and, further, I don't particularly want you to decide whether or not I should see HC2 and, if I do (which I'm sure I will at some point, but buggered if I'm gonna pay any money for it - not that I'm suggesting a dodgy download - I imagine one of my mates will get it on DVD, or maybe even blu ray to see the amazing "worse than German porn" images in glorious HD) to further decide that that then makes me some sick fucking bastard about to go out on a raging massacre. Hell, after I've seen it, I may even get the desire to slaughter a load of small children whilst I'm at it.

Look - I'm 32 years old, I've been a film fan since the age of about 3 (when my dad took me to see the re-release of Disney's Jungle Book in my then local fleapit) and have seen all sorts of "dodgy" stuff - I've seen the Faces of Death series, most of the Traces of Death series, most of the Guinea Pig films, everything Jorg Buttgereit has ever done, Salo, most of the Italian cannibal and zombie films, way too much modern American "gorn", I've sat through every second of Claude Lanzmann's Shoah (which is just about the most horrific and depressing thing I've ever seen), hell I've even seen Weekend at Bernie's 2 MORE THAN ONCE. Most of all that is shit. Some of it (the fictional stuff) has impressive special effects, but otherwise has no value of any kind (most of the Guinea Pig series).

I'm 32 years old. I've been married for seven years to a woman I still love as much as when I first met her, if not more. I have a sixteen month old daughter who I would die for. I have a respectable full time job. I own a house and a car. I get on well with my sister and mum (dad died a couple of years ago) and never had problems with anyone in my family. I have lots of good friends who I've known for a long time. I'm generally cheerful and happy and like to think I'm a nice and likable guy.

So, you tell me - am I a sick fuck?

Do us a favour richie - either bow out of the discussion, or tone it the fuck down, because your immature sound-offs are grating those of us approaching this conversation with logic and sense.

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ORIGINAL: shool

You cant destroy an opinion, merely disagree or question it.
Anyway PA doesnt scare me, he's a pussy really.

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ORIGINAL: Dpp1978
There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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ORIGINAL: elab49
I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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ORIGINAL: shool
My biggest fear would be about accessability. Before the internet it was alot harder to get your hands on banned or, for want of a better expression, morally dubious material.
Now I'm pretty technically savvy and would feel safe in securing my own home PC's and entertainment devices from accessing such materials, but when we're talking about adolescents and young adults below the age of classification for these films who often have superior technical ability to their parents or friends who are able to access material, then it makes me feel uncomfortable that these things can be gotten hold of relatively easily.
Now I am going to sound like a real square, but I am genuinly concerned about the sexualisation of society and how this is accessable to young children even. But with sexually violent material available to those older children who simply have to have the basic technical skills to get hold of them makes me feel uncomfortable.

I still stand by comment that adults who want to view these things have the right to do so, but thinking on it more I cant help but think there will be collateral exposure. I dont know what the solution is either other than being honest with kids as they get older and warning them away from things that likely wont benefit them.

Obviously i am more conservative than most on these boards, but I do have concerns over these sorts of matters.

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ORIGINAL: great_badir

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ORIGINAL: shool
My biggest fear would be about accessability. Before the internet it was alot harder to get your hands on banned or, for want of a better expression, morally dubious material.
Now I'm pretty technically savvy and would feel safe in securing my own home PC's and entertainment devices from accessing such materials, but when we're talking about adolescents and young adults below the age of classification for these films who often have superior technical ability to their parents or friends who are able to access material, then it makes me feel uncomfortable that these things can be gotten hold of relatively easily.
Now I am going to sound like a real square, but I am genuinly concerned about the sexualisation of society and how this is accessable to young children even. But with sexually violent material available to those older children who simply have to have the basic technical skills to get hold of them makes me feel uncomfortable.

I still stand by comment that adults who want to view these things have the right to do so, but thinking on it more I cant help but think there will be collateral exposure. I dont know what the solution is either other than being honest with kids as they get older and warning them away from things that likely wont benefit them.

Obviously i am more conservative than most on these boards, but I do have concerns over these sorts of matters.

You have a point, shool (and you've made it much better and in a much more sane manner than richie has so far), but is it really any different from the relative ease with which most kids at school passed round hardcore porn and banned films on dodgy VHS in the 80s and 90s? Obviously most people and most kids have internet access and the world at their fingertips now, but I remember at my school (secondary school, I should say) the video of Animal Farm (the other Animal Farm), backed with the epic Black Transsexual, had gone round almost everyone in my year in the space of a month or so. Likewise with stuff like Cannibal Holocaust, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Eaten Alive etc. The only difference now is that people will see it much faster than before.

I don't know - it's easy for me to be liberal with all this, given my dad (who was a film buff himself, dog rest his soul) bought me up with films and was very careful to make sure I knew the difference between what was real and what wasn't, and right and wrong etc. He let me watch my first 18s (Robocop, Die Hard, Predator, Commando and the like) when I was about 11 or 12 and I started watching banned films when I was probably 14 or 15. I've never seen them as any more than entertainment (as in the media sense of the word, not as in Weekend at Bernie's 2 is entertaining to watch). I think most people, even most kids, have and always will be the same, save for the nutters and disturbed types who are nutters and disturbed types regardless.

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ORIGINAL: shool
To get hold of porn you either had to know people who had it. If you didnt you'd have to either nick it or get someone to get it for you. All require effort

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ORIGINAL: shool
To get hold of porn you either had to know people who had it. If you didnt you'd have to either nick it or get someone to get it for you. All require effort and the amount of porn being passed around my peers was minimal.

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ORIGINAL: great_badir

And let’s not forget the BBFC are only enforcing a law drawn up by central government, albeit subjectively.

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ORIGINAL: shool

My biggest fear would be about accessability. Before the internet it was alot harder to get your hands on banned or, for want of a better expression, morally dubious material.
Now I'm pretty technically savvy and would feel safe in securing my own home PC's and entertainment devices from accessing such materials, but when we're talking about adolescents and young adults below the age of classification for these films who often have superior technical ability to their parents or friends who are able to access material, then it makes me feel uncomfortable that these things can be gotten hold of relatively easily.
Now I am going to sound like a real square, but I am genuinly concerned about the sexualisation of society and how this is accessable to young children even. But with sexually violent material available to those older children who simply have to have the basic technical skills to get hold of them makes me feel uncomfortable.

I still stand by comment that adults who want to view these things have the right to do so, but thinking on it more I cant help but think there will be collateral exposure. I dont know what the solution is either other than being honest with kids as they get older and warning them away from things that likely wont benefit them.

Obviously i am more conservative than most on these boards, but I do have concerns over these sorts of matters.

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ORIGINAL: Funkyrae

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ORIGINAL: shool

My biggest fear would be about accessability. Before the internet it was alot harder to get your hands on banned or, for want of a better expression, morally dubious material.
Now I'm pretty technically savvy and would feel safe in securing my own home PC's and entertainment devices from accessing such materials, but when we're talking about adolescents and young adults below the age of classification for these films who often have superior technical ability to their parents or friends who are able to access material, then it makes me feel uncomfortable that these things can be gotten hold of relatively easily.
Now I am going to sound like a real square, but I am genuinly concerned about the sexualisation of society and how this is accessable to young children even. But with sexually violent material available to those older children who simply have to have the basic technical skills to get hold of them makes me feel uncomfortable.

I still stand by comment that adults who want to view these things have the right to do so, but thinking on it more I cant help but think there will be collateral exposure. I dont know what the solution is either other than being honest with kids as they get older and warning them away from things that likely wont benefit them.

Obviously i am more conservative than most on these boards, but I do have concerns over these sorts of matters.

I absolutely see your point Shool, but the fact remains that if you don't want your kids to see things; don't let them. Put stricter controls in place. I have to also say, those 'older children' with the basic technical skills won't really be your average 10 year old - yes, in some cases possibly, but it's more likely that anyone looking for HC2 is going to be much older.

The sexualisation side of things, I'm with you completely. You know I've got a daughter, I'm not happy at all with some of the music videos she watches. Although in fairness that may also be because the music is crap, but when your (then) 9 year old child is singing S&M you gotta be a little concerned.

You have to give a little credit where it's due though. Panicking on behalf of the masses isn't going to get anywhere. Unfortunately, banning it has meant more publicity, it would probably have died in a bargain bucket at HMV without the banning. Now, a curiosity will strike up. I still don't think though that it's something that any person under the age of about 14/15 is going to be bothered about and I think most of us will admit to having watched entirely inappropriate things at that age.

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ORIGINAL: Funkyrae

I absolutely see your point Shool, but the fact remains that if you don't want your kids to see things; don't let them. Put stricter controls in place.

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ORIGINAL: jonson
Have you been introduced to the American idea of "Sleepovers" yet?

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ORIGINAL: Funkyrae

I absolutely see your point Shool, but the fact remains that if you don't want your kids to see things; don't let them. Put stricter controls in place.

Easier said than done Funky. Have you been introduced to the American idea of "Sleepovers" yet? My kids are at them every Saturday night, or we have half a dozen over to our place.
My eldest (14) sneaked out the house on Saturday with the following films in her bag - Saw 3, 4 and 5, Final Destination, Hostel and The Hills Have Eyes (remake)
I took them back off her. "But I've seen them all before" she said. At a sleepover. Parents don't have much control over their viewing, despite what we think. Not at that age anyway.
My Mum blames me for having an extensive and pretty horrible DVD collection