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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 29/6/2011 2:44:16 PM   
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I believe it is their right to do so.


Exactly. Something I neglected to say in my post above.

I mean I hate opera, most musicals, reality TV, cigarettes and brussels sprouts. But that doesnít mean I think no one should be allowed to experience them.



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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 29/6/2011 2:49:02 PM   
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Its an interesting debate. What would be considered outside the bounds of taste and decency to portray in a piece of fictional material. Are there any boundaries?

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 29/6/2011 3:02:21 PM   
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Its an interesting debate. What would be considered outside the bounds of taste and decency to portray in a piece of fictional material. Are there any boundaries?


I don't think so. I don't think there should be, or indeed there are. Most things have been portrayed in cinema to varying levels of extremes at some point or another, from genocide to homicide to rape to paedophilia. The important thing is that it is fiction, nobody is getting hurt by it. The line comes when people are being genuinely hurt or exploited (and I don't consider adults consenting to appear in pornography to be exploited). Anything that's just a performer performing is fair game. If people don't want to watch it then they have the right to not watch it. If they worry about their children seeing it, then they need to police their children's internet usage and dvd collection a little more. It's their right to set boundaries for their children. What isn't their right is to say that because they find the material offensive then nobody else should be allowed to see it.

I don't buy the idea of the BBFC as moral guardians of the nation, which is how they're positioning themselves with the HCII ban. If they're genuinely worried about people being corrupted by the effects of watching HCII, then surely they would themselves be corrupted by watching that and other extreme films as part of their job? It's assuming a moral superiority to others. To me it's basically just a throwback to "Is it a book you would wish your wife or servants to read?"

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 29/6/2011 3:03:29 PM   
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I honestly think Badir has hit the nail very firmly on the head with his post.

While I can honestly say I didn't actually ever have any intention of watching HC2 and I wasn't overly impressed with the first one I'm not entirely comfortable with a faceless Big Brother telling me what I can and can't watch.

No, I don't think HC2 would have been any good, in fact I think the whole thing would have been laughable. Banning it now however will cause greater interest in the film than there would have been previously. Not available in the UK? Hell, why should that be a problem?

As for kids potentially seeing it, I think you have to give kids an element of respect here. I doubt many parents would let their 6 year old child watch it with the hope that it's really going to be about a butterfly/human hybrid larvae eating its way through various fruits. I would also suggest that most children wouldn't have the slightest interest in it. The wail of the "won't somebody think of the children" is more than a little patronising and gives no credit whatsoever to the intelligence of the "child" in question.

So people under the age of 18 might possibly get to watch a crap film. Now there's groundbreaking news. As for that whole ridiculously circular argument that violent films might screw with people's minds, prove it. I'm sure that the terribly violent play in which women were surgically murdered would have influenced Jack the Ripper so much, or Mary Ann Cotton had access to such murderous material that it made her poison over 20 people in 1873. Makes you wonder, what would have been Harold Shipman's viewing habits?



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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 29/6/2011 3:14:52 PM   
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I actually think there are boundaries, but theyíre continually shifting. Skip back fifty/sixty odd years and richie would be pissing and moaning about how Marilyn Monroe showing a bit of cleavage meant the end of the civilised world as we know it.

Cannibal Holocaust, once thought to be the most objectionable thing ever, is coming out over here with everything now intact except for the animal slaughter (which, when it was originally banned, was the least objectionable thing about it).

And letís not forget the BBFC are only enforcing a law drawn up by central government, albeit subjectively. Iím not a BBFC apologist and, Iíll say again, am against enforced third party censorship, but if the States had the same Video Recordings Act law that we do, we would be thinking ourselves EXTREMELY lucky to have the BBFC and not the MPAA, who have not relaxed anywhere near as much as the BBFC has since Ferman left.

EDIT - oh, and also a murderous nutter will always be a murderous nutter and go out and kill someone regardless of what they watched the previous night.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 29/6/2011 3:54:46 PM   
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I have no clue why anyone would want to see this film, or A Serbian Film or Salo. But I believe it is their right to do so.

People wanting to view this is barmy in my totally subjective opinion.


Tbh, that film (and Shoah) has much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much more value than all those other films mentioned here.





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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 11:11:22 AM   
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richie, I have one thing to say - HC2 may well be a "sick" film. But I bet you £100 that it will also be shit. It will be (or is) a shit (as in bad) film, albeit a shit film which covers a topic and have themes that some may find unsavoury.

To be honest, right now you sound like every film fan's worst nightmare - a cross between Mary Whitehouse and James Ferman - and, further, I don't particularly want you to decide whether or not I should see HC2 and, if I do (which I'm sure I will at some point, but buggered if I'm gonna pay any money for it - not that I'm suggesting a dodgy download - I imagine one of my mates will get it on DVD, or maybe even blu ray to see the amazing "worse than German porn" images in glorious HD) to further decide that that then makes me some sick fucking bastard about to go out on a raging massacre. Hell, after I've seen it, I may even get the desire to slaughter a load of small children whilst I'm at it.

Look - I'm 32 years old, I've been a film fan since the age of about 3 (when my dad took me to see the re-release of Disney's Jungle Book in my then local fleapit) and have seen all sorts of "dodgy" stuff - I've seen the Faces of Death series, most of the Traces of Death series, most of the Guinea Pig films, everything Jorg Buttgereit has ever done, Salo, most of the Italian cannibal and zombie films, way too much modern American "gorn", I've sat through every second of Claude Lanzmann's Shoah (which is just about the most horrific and depressing thing I've ever seen), hell I've even seen Weekend at Bernie's 2 MORE THAN ONCE. Most of all that is shit. Some of it (the fictional stuff) has impressive special effects, but otherwise has no value of any kind (most of the Guinea Pig series).

I'm 32 years old. I've been married for seven years to a woman I still love as much as when I first met her, if not more. I have a sixteen month old daughter who I would die for. I have a respectable full time job. I own a house and a car. I get on well with my sister and mum (dad died a couple of years ago) and never had problems with anyone in my family. I have lots of good friends who I've known for a long time. I'm generally cheerful and happy and like to think I'm a nice and likable guy.

So, you tell me - am I a sick fuck?

Do us a favour richie - either bow out of the discussion, or tone it the fuck down, because your immature sound-offs are grating those of us approaching this conversation with logic and sense.


*shaking head* Badir Badir Badir, where did it all go wrong my son? You are the sickest of them all!!
as for Shool and his boundaries, may I refer you to Weekend at Bernie's 2?

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 11:29:08 AM   
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My biggest fear would be about accessability. Before the internet it was alot harder to get your hands on banned or, for want of a better expression, morally dubious material.
Now I'm pretty technically savvy and would feel safe in securing my own home PC's and entertainment devices from accessing such materials, but when we're talking about adolescents and young adults below the age of classification for these films who often have superior technical ability to their parents or friends who are able to access material, then it makes me feel uncomfortable that these things can be gotten hold of relatively easily.
Now I am going to sound like a real square, but I am genuinly concerned about the sexualisation of society and how this is accessable to young children even. But with sexually violent material available to those older children who simply have to have the basic technical skills to get hold of them makes me feel uncomfortable.

I still stand by comment that adults who want to view these things have the right to do so, but thinking on it more I cant help but think there will be collateral exposure. I dont know what the solution is either other than being honest with kids as they get older and warning them away from things that likely wont benefit them.

Obviously i am more conservative than most on these boards, but I do have concerns over these sorts of matters.


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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 11:42:20 AM   
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Shool, I got nailed earlier in this thread by PA for voicing my concerns re young uns. I agree, what can you do? He did destroy me quite elegantly though. Damn him and his literate ways!

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 12:16:27 PM   
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You cant destroy an opinion, merely disagree or question it.
Anyway PA doesnt scare me, he's a pussy cat really.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 12:18:41 PM   
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You cant destroy an opinion, merely disagree or question it.
Anyway PA doesnt scare me, he's a pussy really.





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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 12:22:29 PM   
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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 12:29:19 PM   
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I didn't think you'd just have called someone a pussy, Shool - glad I checked the original post!

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 12:30:19 PM   
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Ah!!!!!!!!

Those pesky trouble makers.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 1:23:17 PM   
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My biggest fear would be about accessability. Before the internet it was alot harder to get your hands on banned or, for want of a better expression, morally dubious material.
Now I'm pretty technically savvy and would feel safe in securing my own home PC's and entertainment devices from accessing such materials, but when we're talking about adolescents and young adults below the age of classification for these films who often have superior technical ability to their parents or friends who are able to access material, then it makes me feel uncomfortable that these things can be gotten hold of relatively easily.
Now I am going to sound like a real square, but I am genuinly concerned about the sexualisation of society and how this is accessable to young children even. But with sexually violent material available to those older children who simply have to have the basic technical skills to get hold of them makes me feel uncomfortable.

I still stand by comment that adults who want to view these things have the right to do so, but thinking on it more I cant help but think there will be collateral exposure. I dont know what the solution is either other than being honest with kids as they get older and warning them away from things that likely wont benefit them.

Obviously i am more conservative than most on these boards, but I do have concerns over these sorts of matters.


You have a point, shool (and you've made it much better and in a much more sane manner than richie has so far), but is it really any different from the relative ease with which most kids at school passed round hardcore porn and banned films on dodgy VHS in the 80s and 90s? Obviously most people and most kids have internet access and the world at their fingertips now, but I remember at my school (secondary school, I should say) the video of Animal Farm (the other Animal Farm), backed with the epic Black Transsexual, had gone round almost everyone in my year in the space of a month or so. Likewise with stuff like Cannibal Holocaust, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Eaten Alive etc. The only difference now is that people will see it much faster than before.

I don't know - it's easy for me to be liberal with all this, given my dad (who was a film buff himself, dog rest his soul) bought me up with films and was very careful to make sure I knew the difference between what was real and what wasn't, and right and wrong etc. He let me watch my first 18s (Robocop, Die Hard, Predator, Commando and the like) when I was about 11 or 12 and I started watching banned films when I was probably 14 or 15. I've never seen them as any more than entertainment (as in the media sense of the word, not as in Weekend at Bernie's 2 is entertaining to watch). I think most people, even most kids, have and always will be the same, save for the nutters and disturbed types who are nutters and disturbed types regardless.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 1:46:10 PM   
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My biggest fear would be about accessability. Before the internet it was alot harder to get your hands on banned or, for want of a better expression, morally dubious material.
Now I'm pretty technically savvy and would feel safe in securing my own home PC's and entertainment devices from accessing such materials, but when we're talking about adolescents and young adults below the age of classification for these films who often have superior technical ability to their parents or friends who are able to access material, then it makes me feel uncomfortable that these things can be gotten hold of relatively easily.
Now I am going to sound like a real square, but I am genuinly concerned about the sexualisation of society and how this is accessable to young children even. But with sexually violent material available to those older children who simply have to have the basic technical skills to get hold of them makes me feel uncomfortable.

I still stand by comment that adults who want to view these things have the right to do so, but thinking on it more I cant help but think there will be collateral exposure. I dont know what the solution is either other than being honest with kids as they get older and warning them away from things that likely wont benefit them.

Obviously i am more conservative than most on these boards, but I do have concerns over these sorts of matters.


You have a point, shool (and you've made it much better and in a much more sane manner than richie has so far), but is it really any different from the relative ease with which most kids at school passed round hardcore porn and banned films on dodgy VHS in the 80s and 90s? Obviously most people and most kids have internet access and the world at their fingertips now, but I remember at my school (secondary school, I should say) the video of Animal Farm (the other Animal Farm), backed with the epic Black Transsexual, had gone round almost everyone in my year in the space of a month or so. Likewise with stuff like Cannibal Holocaust, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Eaten Alive etc. The only difference now is that people will see it much faster than before.

I don't know - it's easy for me to be liberal with all this, given my dad (who was a film buff himself, dog rest his soul) bought me up with films and was very careful to make sure I knew the difference between what was real and what wasn't, and right and wrong etc. He let me watch my first 18s (Robocop, Die Hard, Predator, Commando and the like) when I was about 11 or 12 and I started watching banned films when I was probably 14 or 15. I've never seen them as any more than entertainment (as in the media sense of the word, not as in Weekend at Bernie's 2 is entertaining to watch). I think most people, even most kids, have and always will be the same, save for the nutters and disturbed types who are nutters and disturbed types regardless.


I would argue they are MASSIVELY more accessable now.
To get hold of porn you either had to know people who had it. If you didnt you'd have to either nick it or get someone to get it for you. All require effort and the amount of porn being passed around my peers was minimal. Now you can open a web browser or select a P2P source and anonymously view whatever vice you choose.
What the upshot of all this is I am unsure. But I am concerned that kids/young adults can easily get hold of material which may affect them in what I can only say would not be a beneficial way.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 1:51:43 PM   
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To get hold of porn you either had to know people who had it. If you didnt you'd have to either nick it or get someone to get it for you. All require effort


Well, at my school there wasn't much effort because either someone just gave it to you and said "watch this, it's fucking sick", or you asked for something and then a day later you had it - no further effort required. Mind you, the one person all this stuff originated from also made his own fertiliser pipe bombs with which he would blow up trees, so perhaps my experience was...a little different to most.


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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 3:04:32 PM   
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To get hold of porn you either had to know people who had it. If you didnt you'd have to either nick it or get someone to get it for you. All require effort and the amount of porn being passed around my peers was minimal.


I'd never seen proper, dick-going-into-fanny-cumshot-porn until I was at university. True story. I had to rely on crappy British jazz mags, Basic Instinct and good old-fashioned imagination in my formative years.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 5:40:50 PM   
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Hang on, Dev + Epi D = same person? Who's with me? Just me then? Fine.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 30/6/2011 6:45:13 PM   
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And letís not forget the BBFC are only enforcing a law drawn up by central government, albeit subjectively.


Yes, the real issue is the Obscene Publications Act - although I guess it's not going away any time soon. With shool's point about access, ironically an actual cinema certificate would have been the way to go, though my understanding is that the distributor never applied for one.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 1/7/2011 9:21:23 AM   
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My biggest fear would be about accessability. Before the internet it was alot harder to get your hands on banned or, for want of a better expression, morally dubious material.
Now I'm pretty technically savvy and would feel safe in securing my own home PC's and entertainment devices from accessing such materials, but when we're talking about adolescents and young adults below the age of classification for these films who often have superior technical ability to their parents or friends who are able to access material, then it makes me feel uncomfortable that these things can be gotten hold of relatively easily.
Now I am going to sound like a real square, but I am genuinly concerned about the sexualisation of society and how this is accessable to young children even. But with sexually violent material available to those older children who simply have to have the basic technical skills to get hold of them makes me feel uncomfortable.

I still stand by comment that adults who want to view these things have the right to do so, but thinking on it more I cant help but think there will be collateral exposure. I dont know what the solution is either other than being honest with kids as they get older and warning them away from things that likely wont benefit them.

Obviously i am more conservative than most on these boards, but I do have concerns over these sorts of matters.



I absolutely see your point Shool, but the fact remains that if you don't want your kids to see things; don't let them. Put stricter controls in place. I have to also say, those 'older children' with the basic technical skills won't really be your average 10 year old - yes, in some cases possibly, but it's more likely that anyone looking for HC2 is going to be much older.

The sexualisation side of things, I'm with you completely. You know I've got a daughter, I'm not happy at all with some of the music videos she watches. Although in fairness that may also be because the music is crap, but when your (then) 9 year old child is singing S&M you gotta be a little concerned.

You have to give a little credit where it's due though. Panicking on behalf of the masses isn't going to get anywhere. Unfortunately, banning it has meant more publicity, it would probably have died in a bargain bucket at HMV without the banning. Now, a curiosity will strike up. I still don't think though that it's something that any person under the age of about 14/15 is going to be bothered about and I think most of us will admit to having watched entirely inappropriate things at that age.


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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 4/7/2011 2:20:15 PM   
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My biggest fear would be about accessability. Before the internet it was alot harder to get your hands on banned or, for want of a better expression, morally dubious material.
Now I'm pretty technically savvy and would feel safe in securing my own home PC's and entertainment devices from accessing such materials, but when we're talking about adolescents and young adults below the age of classification for these films who often have superior technical ability to their parents or friends who are able to access material, then it makes me feel uncomfortable that these things can be gotten hold of relatively easily.
Now I am going to sound like a real square, but I am genuinly concerned about the sexualisation of society and how this is accessable to young children even. But with sexually violent material available to those older children who simply have to have the basic technical skills to get hold of them makes me feel uncomfortable.

I still stand by comment that adults who want to view these things have the right to do so, but thinking on it more I cant help but think there will be collateral exposure. I dont know what the solution is either other than being honest with kids as they get older and warning them away from things that likely wont benefit them.

Obviously i am more conservative than most on these boards, but I do have concerns over these sorts of matters.



I absolutely see your point Shool, but the fact remains that if you don't want your kids to see things; don't let them. Put stricter controls in place. I have to also say, those 'older children' with the basic technical skills won't really be your average 10 year old - yes, in some cases possibly, but it's more likely that anyone looking for HC2 is going to be much older.

The sexualisation side of things, I'm with you completely. You know I've got a daughter, I'm not happy at all with some of the music videos she watches. Although in fairness that may also be because the music is crap, but when your (then) 9 year old child is singing S&M you gotta be a little concerned.

You have to give a little credit where it's due though. Panicking on behalf of the masses isn't going to get anywhere. Unfortunately, banning it has meant more publicity, it would probably have died in a bargain bucket at HMV without the banning. Now, a curiosity will strike up. I still don't think though that it's something that any person under the age of about 14/15 is going to be bothered about and I think most of us will admit to having watched entirely inappropriate things at that age.



As I previously wrote I'm fairly sure I can prohibit the viewing in my own household and am training my children to be discerning.
Its more a concern (Not panicky) that when kids, in general, get older should they want to view pretty anything they want then the availability of such material is far too easy. However as previously mentioned, I dont believe there is a solution to this short of full blown censorship which I dont agree with either.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 4/7/2011 3:52:03 PM   
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I absolutely see your point Shool, but the fact remains that if you don't want your kids to see things; don't let them. Put stricter controls in place.


Easier said than done Funky. Have you been introduced to the American idea of "Sleepovers" yet? My kids are at them every Saturday night, or we have half a dozen over to our place.
My eldest (14) sneaked out the house on Saturday with the following films in her bag - Saw 3, 4 and 5, Final Destination, Hostel and The Hills Have Eyes (remake)
I took them back off her. "But I've seen them all before" she said. At a sleepover. Parents don't have much control over their viewing, despite what we think. Not at that age anyway.
My Mum blames me for having an extensive and pretty horrible DVD collection


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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/7/2011 1:52:08 PM   
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Have you been introduced to the American idea of "Sleepovers" yet?


I have all that to "look forward" to...

Regardless of what we all think and where the moral compass sways, there's probably one thing we can ALL agree on - it will not be anywhere near as good as the South Park Human CentiPad episode.


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- 7/7/2011 5:04:50 PM   
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I Just have this To say It's a movie It always will be, I live in a free country i have the choice to view this movie or not. I make my own decisions. Im going to watch Full Sequence.

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- 7/7/2011 5:05:08 PM   
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I Just have this To say It's a movie It always will be, I live in a free country i have the choice to view this movie or not. I make my own decisions. Im going to watch Full Sequence.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 9/7/2011 7:32:29 AM   
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I absolutely see your point Shool, but the fact remains that if you don't want your kids to see things; don't let them. Put stricter controls in place.


Easier said than done Funky. Have you been introduced to the American idea of "Sleepovers" yet? My kids are at them every Saturday night, or we have half a dozen over to our place.
My eldest (14) sneaked out the house on Saturday with the following films in her bag - Saw 3, 4 and 5, Final Destination, Hostel and The Hills Have Eyes (remake)
I took them back off her. "But I've seen them all before" she said. At a sleepover. Parents don't have much control over their viewing, despite what we think. Not at that age anyway.
My Mum blames me for having an extensive and pretty horrible DVD collection



Oh yes, sleepovers. Such a joy. Quite why they call them 'sleepovers' when you spend half your time getting them to shuttup and go to sleep is beyond me. Showing my age here

At around 14 I think most people are trying to watch horror films anyway. I begged my folks to rent me 976 Evil when I was 14, I'd was already a Hellraiser fan and Freddy Krueger was the anti-hero of the hour. I'd already watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre (albeit a dodgy video back then) through the crack in the door (granted, I was only about 10) seen Jaws countless times already by that stage. Then there was all those incredible films like Pumpkinhead, Brain Dead, Child's Play, Day of the Dead etc. By the time I was 15 I knew An American Werewolf in London by heart,

Yes, I'll concede that none of the ones I've mentioned are anywhere near as graphic as the Saw or Hostel films, but as time and sensibilities move on so does maturity. I'll lay dollars to doughnuts that even your wife has said that your daughters are more mature now than she was at the same age, or words to that effect. I've lost count of how many mothers I've heard complaining that their daughters are wanting to wear make up when at the same age they were still playing with dolls.

It's a fact that there comes a certain time when we want to watch horror and we want to do something that we know is a little bit naughty. That tends to stay with a lot of us . While I had absolutely no interest in HC2 I maintain that banning it may not have been the best thing to do. It's garnered it more publicity than it may have had otherwise.


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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 9/7/2011 2:21:32 PM   
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I won't be seeing this, simply because it doesn't interest me, banned or otherwise.  Should it be banned?  Well, it's a difficult question, I don't believe we should live in a  free for all society, because if we were all free to watch whatever we want, there would be no boundaries on any subject, and I feel that would be wrong.  However, it's about which side of the line this film falls on.  And there does need to be a line, I think.

I don't think the point that 'I should be free to make up my own mind' is relevant really, as yes you are, but that doesn't mean you should be able to access anything you desire, because not everybody in the world who gets behind a camera does have 'art at heart', as it were.  And you can't go singling out these people, because freedom of expression is freedom for everyone, not just those you think are well intentioned, including the pedos, rapists, and other sick minds in the world.

To be honest, the film sounds pretty f*cking ridiculous, so banning t is probably neither here nor there.  Seems a bit daft banning something so utterly ludicrous in it's premise; it's clearly total fantasy for entertainment alone.

From the description I would not, however, like my children to stumble on it by accident and watch it, or be passed a copy in school.  I feel I could reasonably repair the damage done by Robocop or Aliens, even Saw at a push.  But explaining a film like this away could prove... difficult.

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Disagree with this! - 24/7/2011 5:20:00 PM   
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this is absolutely ridiculous!
as Tom said "a good horror film should be horrific"
if some people don't like it then they don't have to watch it!!
why should the rest of us (who want to see it) not be able to see it just because some people don't like it!?
there's so many bad horrors here that are not banned, so why should this one be?
if this film is so bad, they why not bump the age restriction up instead of banning the whole film?
SERIOUSLY!?
people should be entitled to whether or not to see the film.
and now that it's banned it's just going to make people want to see it more...

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being banned is the best PR a horror film can get - 5/8/2011 2:13:03 PM   
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this really is stupid, i most definitely want to see this. i mean horror films nowadays suck by definition. evil dead was banned originally because of the tree rape scene, but you can now walk into tescos and buy it for a couple quid, and same goes for any other horror classic, eg, the exorcist, childs play etc. its like banning blue velvet for the scene where you see dennis hopper for the first time. like so many have said before me, its a film, a story designed to make you react, but as the times have moved on, we are thicker skinned from being bred on the classics and it takes more to horrify and disturb us, tom six is doing us a big favour by letting this generation have the same feelings that people got watching ray wise's the haunting, or more recently, the exorsist. im bloody going to see it, and im sure it being banned will induce more people to go after it. banning is the best PR a horror can get

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