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The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 4:17:27 PM   
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RE: Impossible to impliment anyway. - 6/6/2011 5:02:50 PM   
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Agree totally - more people will watch it now than they would have in the first place, although I guess illegal downloads don't exactly help the film makers...

To be honest, all censorship arguments aside, I couldn't really care less, as I thought the first one was boring, badly acted and utterly pointless...
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RE: re: Video nasties - 6/6/2011 5:03:22 PM   
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The funny thing is that back in 70s/80s the 'video nasties' weren't that nasty. Jake West's documentary is well worth checking out. As for HC2 it just sounds unpleasant for the sake of being unpleasant which is a shame because I thought the first film was really well done and the guy playing the mad scientist was well chosen. Pity.


To paraphrase Ian Malcolm - Just because you can make a film about something, it doesn't mean you should.
Part of the problem with the BBFC relaxing the rules is that some filmmakers have decided to just keep pushing it

Based on the summary, I think that's a pretty fair decision for the BBFC to make. It's always quite surprising to me that a film gets rejected outright, but if it gets to the point where cuts won't make it acceptable then that's their last resort.

Besides, it's never going to stop people from actually watching it, it just means the distributor won't make any money.
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RE: Why even care? - 6/6/2011 5:04:02 PM   
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I saw the trailer from the first one and it was just plain bad. Plus, there are some things I just don't "enjoy" to watch. So by all means, if you want to watch it, feel free, but I'm too old for this shit. (no pun intended)


This made me facepalm so hard. You watched the trailer? Good for you man! That means you've ostensibly seen the whole thing! Such utter horseshit. I really hate it when people do that. 'Inception? Sure, I watched the trailer. Too complicated...' It's the same with 'A Serbian Film'. People are getting their undies in a twist who HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE DAMN FILM. You are not entitled to any opinion if you haven't seen the film in question. It is rubbish by the way, but so is commenting on something you haven't seen. Srpski Film on the other hand is quite interesting. Ach, I'd like to know what Cronenberg has to say about this. After all, isn't exploitation, splatter and extreme horror all about flesh and shit? Gad, that sounded horrible...

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 5:40:44 PM   
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This sounds great. Guess I'll have to "acquire" it some other way then

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RE: Eugh - 6/6/2011 5:40:52 PM   
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Oh noes! I won't get to watch The Human Centipede 2!

Is there any point in banning a film, these days especially? Leaving aside the nannying aspect for a second, there's too many ways these days for someone to watch it if they want to so why bother?
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RE: Eugh - 6/6/2011 5:49:08 PM   
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The BBFC have made the film a must now for many a youngster who will think its even cooler now to watch it, Ive not yet seen the first one apart from the odd scene when I was flicking the channels but morbid curiosity does make me want to watch it, and anyway it cant be as bad a a serbian film can it?

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RE: - 6/6/2011 6:01:37 PM   
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There are actually quite a few films the BBFC have rejected - in recent years Murder Set Pieces and Grotesque, to name two. Although the BBFC promote themselves as being more lenient, this is partly just PR (they're a business, after all) If you compare the 2009 guidelines with the two previous sets thay have extended the concept of harm and *appear* to be becoming slightly more hardline again.
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RE: - 6/6/2011 6:24:39 PM  1 votes
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I'm not remotely interested in watching it, but I don't think that gives me the right to judge those who do want to watch it (to be shocked? disgusted? who cares why?). What is more disturbing to me is the way censorship is creeping back into this country under a conservative government.
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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 6:26:57 PM   
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Up until now, the BBFC rarely cut or ban anything that's been submitted to them.

If they think what happens in the movie is bad, then it must bad.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 6:33:27 PM   
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The BBFC don't exist to judge whether a film is good or bad taste, though, they exist to judge whether something is 'harmful'. 

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 6:35:30 PM  1 votes
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It's about time they drawn a line in the sand.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 6:44:05 PM  1 votes
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Are people really suggesting that if someone watches this film then afterwards they will start forcing other people to eat faeces? Really?!! Of course, I'd forgotten, I always start killing people after I watch horror movies... welcome back to the 80s.

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RE: Tasteless? - 6/6/2011 7:03:08 PM   
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You're about 25 years too late. If you think the BBFC are out of order with one rejection out of thousands of films, then you would have had a field day when they operated in the 70s-90s.
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RE: Tasteless? - 6/6/2011 7:04:08 PM   
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I don't know a single person that was harmed or damaged in any way by the first Human Centipede, and there has been NO documentation or research to suggest that this was a harmful movie, or that the sequel will be, If you don't want to watch it, YOU DON'T HAVE TO -- but don't ruin it for everyone else because you can't distinguish between fantasy and reality violence.
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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 7:08:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrsLebowski

Are people really suggesting that if someone watches this film then afterwards they will start forcing other people to eat faeces? Really?!! Of course, I'd forgotten, I always start killing people after I watch horror movies... welcome back to the 80s.


They're not saying that.

While every "normal" person can easily turn off and not replicate what they see on TV, DVD etc - know the difference between right and wrong - there are the odd few nut-cases that do enjoy/get a kick out of what the BBFC have banned the film for.

Now, said nut-cases will probably more likely than not are already watching that kinda shit on the web. But the web is not restricted by a governing body of censors. Now, home video is. And they are deeming that the film is basically a gory porno showing sado-ways of sexual gratification by means of humiliation that could be easily accessable in your local HMV.

Now, HMV dont sell hardcore pornography...so why they or any other retailer not have rules on selling top-end faux horror porn that, by the sounds of it, has no redeeming qualities or "point" whatsoever?

In regards to this film, the BBFC have a guideline they stick by and come to a decision on it only when they know minor cuts or changes cannot be done - they'll try to find ways for the filmmaker to make changes (see a Serbian Film). It doesnt seem to be the case with this film so it wont pass the censor.

To say films, TV, books etc do not influence people in general is a very dangerous thing to say...the problem is the extend it can influence people, especially people in the wrong frame of mind.

It also means...just because its banned from home video, doesnt mean a local regional authority cant allow it to be played in the cinema or people who REALLY want to see it, can find an imported copy.

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RE: Tasteless? - 6/6/2011 7:23:52 PM   
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Who has the ultimate say on whether a work of art is tasteless or bad? At least half of the critics (according to RottenTomatoes) enjoyed this movie, and were actually able to look past the brutality and "tastelessness" of it. Considering the plot, The Human Centipede was surprisingly NON-GRAPHIC and was made as absolutely tastefully as possible. I'm ashamed that the UK would ban a sequel, but this serves as an example of why people call it the Nanny State -- "Sorry, Timmy. Even though you're a 48-year-old adult, WE deemed that this movie isn't suitable for you to watch." -- Ridiculous.


Go and find a copy over the internet or import it over. Simple. Its not the end of the world.

We're not stuck in the 80's where moral outcry and hysteria ruled what was showed and what wasnt in regards to the BBFC rather than common sense.

The BBFC have some of the the best censorship laws in the world, especially for filmmakers as they have clear outlines and guidelines and clearly state way they deem this or that censorable.





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RE: !? - 6/6/2011 7:25:00 PM   
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Sorry to correct you, but the BBFC do *not* cut/reject films on the basis of the odd nutcase or deviant viewer watching them. Craig Lapper, Senior Examiner at the BBFC, made this very clear at a recent debate held at the Cine-Excess conference in London in May. They make these decisions on the basis of how they affect the average viewer, so yes, they are saying that this film will harm your average, 'mainstream' person in the street.

Also, it cannot be shown in a local cinema because it wasn't submitted to the BBFC for theatrical release.
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RE: Tasteless? - 6/6/2011 7:26:54 PM   
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It's not about sticking up for the film (I don't want to watch it) it's about questioning the 'harm' argument.

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RE: !? - 6/6/2011 7:29:32 PM   
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None of you have even seen the film, CLEARLY. I feel like the many of the last posters are some frumpy old hags with nothing better to do than bash on all things that aren't Disney.... but worse because you're HYPOCRITES -- I don't see you campaigning against other "normal" movies that depict rape and violence.

The Human Centipede has no rape, no sexual abuse, and no extremely graphic scenes. It's about one mad scientist's idea. It's a modern day Frankenstein movie. Since you haven't seen it and don't want to, let me spoil the ending: The most graphic scene in the movie is when the mad scientist gets shot in the head. That's right, the bad guy even dies in the end.

I'm disgusted by your closed mindedness and lack of appreciation for A) FREEDOM OF SPEECH and B) cinema. You're bashing a movie that you HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN! And even if you have seen it, and it bothered you... you are a weak-minded individual and I pity you. But don't ruin it for everyone else.

Nobody sits around and masturbates to The Human Centipede. YOU'RE the nut-case for thinking that. Idiot.

The Human Centipede has NOTHING to do with sexual gratification at all. There is some minor nudity in the film, but in a completely non-sexual environment. The only LINES it crosses are purely imaginary lines made by some uptight prude censoring a-hole.

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RE: !? - 6/6/2011 7:44:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrsLebowski

Sorry to correct you, but the BBFC do *not* cut/reject films on the basis of the odd nutcase or deviant viewer watching them. Craig Lapper, Senior Examiner at the BBFC, made this very clear at a recent debate held at the Cine-Excess conference in London in May. They make these decisions on the basis of how they affect the average viewer, so yes, they are saying that this film will harm your average, 'mainstream' person in the street.

Also, it cannot be shown in a local cinema because it wasn't submitted to the BBFC for theatrical release.



They dont cut the films themselves, they tell the filmmakers what scenes/time etc the deem to be problematic...the filmmaker then goes away and makes changes in order to resubmit and hope for a pass.

Of course they're not basing their views on the odd nut-case on the street, they are judging it from a normal view point.

Im pointing out that while people say "im a grown man I can watch what I want," making questionable material that can be easily accessable when there are restrictions in place that any "nut-case" or normal person can get hold of, is where the arguement comes in.

Unless its been changed, films do not need to be submitted to be passed by the BBFC for theatrical release. Local councils can agree to show any film they want unclassified. But 9.9 out 10 they always follow the BBFC ruling.



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RE: ... - 6/6/2011 7:50:08 PM   
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Sidecarsally, I'm not sure why you're going on about the first film, that was passed uncut.

To address the topic, the BBFC aren't making a moral or taste judgement on the sequel as such, they made a decision that the film is probably in breach of not only its guidelines but also the Obscene Publications Act. The BBFC is far better than it was in the bad old days of the 80s and the guidelines they follow are made with public consultation (all this talk of nannying is a bit strange when we're the ones setting the standards) and they are publicly accountable. The only time they go so far as to ban films nowadays is if the content is illegal under our current law. Which this film apparently is.

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RE: !? - 6/6/2011 7:53:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kenada_woo


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsLebowski

Sorry to correct you, but the BBFC do *not* cut/reject films on the basis of the odd nutcase or deviant viewer watching them. Craig Lapper, Senior Examiner at the BBFC, made this very clear at a recent debate held at the Cine-Excess conference in London in May. They make these decisions on the basis of how they affect the average viewer, so yes, they are saying that this film will harm your average, 'mainstream' person in the street.

Also, it cannot be shown in a local cinema because it wasn't submitted to the BBFC for theatrical release.




Of course they're not basing their views on the odd nut-case on the street, they are judging it from a normal view point.

Im pointing out that while people say "im a grown man I can watch what I want," making questionable material that can be easily accessable when there are restrictions in place that any "nut-case" or normal person can get hold of, is where the arguement comes in.



Eh? Either they are trying to stop 'nutcases' getting holding of the film or they aren't. And according to the BBFC they aren't, they are classifying - or in this case refusing to classify - on the grounds of how it will harm your average person on the street. The point I'm raising is, simply, do we think the average person on the street would watch this kind of film and be corrupted by it? You seem to think that's possible, in which case that's fine, I respect your right to hold that point of view. I, however, have a different view of the general public, and think it that it highly improbable that they would watch this kind of film and replicate what they see.

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RE: !? - 6/6/2011 7:54:29 PM   
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Regardless of what you freedom hating hypocrites think -- there IS NO "questionable" material if it's not real. It's FANTASY, ART, FAKE SHIT. Get over it. People can write books about the same stuff and have been for a LONG TIME. Parts of the Bible are extremely graphic and depict violence and incest. Where's the censorship? People drink Jesus's blood in church -- how morbid!! Oh, but because there's religious overtones and some absurd story behind it, it's acceptable? See what I mean, hypocrites!?

I'm laughing my ass off over here because you old ladies really feel so strongly about a sequel to a movie you've never even seen. By the way, I'm in Canada, so I'll be able to watch this movie freely in local theaters, like a free person should. Have fun in your oppressed society! It doesn't seem to bother you, but ignorance is bliss.

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RE: !? - 6/6/2011 7:59:39 PM   
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Darth, if you read the press release carefully, they are not banning the film because it contains illegal material, they are banning it because it raises the risk of harm to the viewer. That is a moral judgement.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 7:59:49 PM   
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i agree with the BBFC

i havent seen the movie but the BBFC has passed enough sex and violence over the years to know that they dont mind passing some graphic violence.

And if they dont want to pass this then its probably for the best.

ild also be more sympathetic to the whole "censorship" argument if only the stuff being censored wasnt so crap.



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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 8:05:50 PM   
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Does everyone in the UK suck?

Isn't there anyone to stand up for creative expression and anti-censorship? Or are you all really just a bunch of overgrown children?

Doesn't ANYONE have enough personal strength to say "Hey, I don't need you telling me what I should and shouldn't be watching"????

I'm sad for you guys. Not really though. I think it's pathetic. I'm so grateful that my ancestors moved out the of UK before it was the UK.

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 8:12:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sidecarsally

Does everyone in the UK suck?

Isn't there anyone to stand up for creative expression and anti-censorship? Or are you all really just a bunch of overgrown children?

Doesn't ANYONE have enough personal strength to say "Hey, I don't need you telling me what I should and shouldn't be watching"????

I'm sad for you guys. Not really though. I think it's pathetic. I'm so grateful that my ancestors moved out the of UK before it was the UK.


Way to endear yourself to the British members of the forums, Sally. You go, girl!

Not really though. I think xenophobia is pathetic. I'm so grateful that only a small percentage of forumites are complete tits.

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RE: !? - 6/6/2011 8:15:45 PM   
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Regardless of what you freedom hating hypocrites think -- there IS NO "questionable" material if it's not real. It's FANTASY, ART, FAKE SHIT. Get over it. People can write books about the same stuff and have been for a LONG TIME. Parts of the Bible are extremely graphic and depict violence and incest. Where's the censorship? People drink Jesus's blood in church -- how morbid!! Oh, but because there's religious overtones and some absurd story behind it, it's acceptable? See what I mean, hypocrites!?

I'm laughing my ass off over here because you old ladies really feel so strongly about a sequel to a movie you've never even seen. By the way, I'm in Canada, so I'll be able to watch this movie freely in local theaters, like a free person should. Have fun in your oppressed society! It doesn't seem to bother you, but ignorance is bliss.


Erm....have you read the posts mate? No one has judged the film yet they've commented on the ruling.

Lot of spam on here....

hmmmmmm....

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RE: The Human Centipede II Rejected By BBFC - 6/6/2011 8:19:34 PM   
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Ok first things first. If you haven't seen the first one, It isn't that bad and quiet a a original gem, Its no Citizen Kane but what horror film is?! (I love horror films btw).

Having seen many horror films in my time I will say that HC is NOT that gory at all, In fact Martyrs is way worse, Yet nobody was up in arms about that flick!?
Yes HC2 sounds bad and fair play to the BBFC as it has been a long time since they banned anything, But also should'nt we the public make our own minds up about what we see? If there are members of the public who would react badly to such films, Surely friends or family would advise them not see it.
I am very shocked at peoples views and comments here, This site has in my opinon always been open minded and had well thought out views. Yet some people have created accounts just to bitch about a film that they haven't even seen yet!
I say let it be released with cuts....it's only a different form of art which we are all fans of.


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