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3 Stars? - 4/6/2011 3:23:29 PM   
bronco3114

 

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Considering some of the 4 and 5 stars Empire has been throwing out there this is definitely a 4 or 5! Great film, great script which brilliantly manages to maintain some continuity with the previous Singer efforts and take the franchise in a new direction. Script was driven by a decent story which actually tried to expain the characters and some impressive turns from Fassebender, Bacon and McAvoy. Only real disapointment was the bland (and general Americanisation of her and others like Banshee & Moira) casting of Emma Frost.

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4 stars really. - 4/6/2011 4:51:13 PM   
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Yes I meant it.

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I agree wtih the review, but... - 4/6/2011 5:28:52 PM   
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There's more then enough to justify 4 stars, let alone being superior summer blockbuster fare, it's very well directed by Vaughn and the script is good fun. I, like Empire, would have loved a full film that continued the classic Bond/Austin vibe of the first 40mins with McAvoy and Fassbender but I didn't feel cheated with the end product. It is a Summer comic book film at the end of the day so Vaughn and Goldman deserve a lot of credit for what they pulled off. The early Nazi 'coin moving' scene is a classic and Fassbender should be in every future film.

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RE: 3 Stars? - 4/6/2011 5:52:22 PM   
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I really enjoyed the new x-men it didn't break new boundaries in the superhero genre but it was just harmless fun.

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First Class wasn't that good! - 4/6/2011 7:41:45 PM   
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Seriously guys, did you all honestly like this film that much?

The film just repeated the same concept we saw in the other movies (there are good mutants and bad mutants, good ones embrace peace and tolerance, bad ones don't - cue kooky mutant scenes and CGI explosions). This film did NOTHING new.

Fassbender was great and if it were a solely focused Magneto story it would have been an interesting film.

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Credits - 4/6/2011 10:55:46 PM   
IronPie

 

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Why, oh why did they decide that Take That would be a fitting song to play people out of the cinema with. Love Love didn't have that much to do with the ending!

Overall though the film wasn't too bad, except the obvious plot holes and Beast's make-up.

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RE: First Class wasn't that good! - 4/6/2011 11:56:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tech_Noir

The film just repeated the same concept we saw in the other movies (there are good mutants and bad mutants, good ones embrace peace and tolerance, bad ones don't - cue kooky mutant scenes and CGI explosions). This film did NOTHING new.

Fassbender was great and if it were a solely focused Magneto story it would have been an interesting film.



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ORIGINAL: Tech_Noir

Choppy and predictable, wasted potential (especially with the development of Charles and Eric's friendship).


I agree, it was such a shame as I feel that if Vaughan had been given more time it could have been something truly special but instead it's an uncomfortable mix of great scenes and not so good scenes.

The end scene felt very rushed and very join the dots to me, but even then there was a moment when Magneto did something truly evil that made me flinch. The Magneto/Wolverine connection feels a bit like Anakin/Luke from Star Wars. Both went through hell, both were pushed, but when they came to a crossroads one was able to make the right decision and come out a better man, and the other snapped and turned evil. A really interesting idea.


So frustrating that this film came out the way it did. What could have been a sure 4/5 star classic comic book film is instead a very good but otherwise not very memorable 3 star film.

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RE: X-Men First Class - 5/6/2011 12:14:05 AM   
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I'll bet you pounds to pennies, when this comes out on DVD it'll be a four star review. Empire do this quite often. I pay no attention to their star rating system because it's all over the place.


grucl
Forum Elder: Might that be because another reviewer writes the DVD review (who actually has a different oppinion)?



I understand what you're saying and it makes sense but the problem is that people don't want to know what Chris, Ian, Helen or Kim thought of the film, they want to know what EMPIRE thought of the film. That's why people read a review in the first place so they can see what Empire thought, or Total Film or whatever. Of course you're all individuals and your opinions will vary, but by chopping and changing it chips away at the magazine's credability.

I know you'll never admit that there could be a better way of doing your reviews and believe me I'm not just ranting for the sake of ranting, I'm genuinely trying to give some constructive advice here. I don't care whether your opinion on a film differs to mine or whether you give a film a bad rating after hyping it, that's not a crime and I'm sure you're just giving your honest opinion - but please when you review a film can you stick by your rating whatever that may be. And if you do decide in six months/10 years time that it deserves a different rating (as can be the case with certain films over time) then tell us why EMPIRE'S opinion of the film has changed in the interim/on second watch, rather than leaving us all wondering whether we'd dreamt the original review.

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 6:50:30 AM   
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It was good, but I have one question. How will they fix the continuity errors?

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Worst than Average - - 5/6/2011 9:20:48 AM   
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What was the point in re-booting a franchise that was never very good in the first place? - Yet another below average XMEN film -

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 9:26:52 AM   
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 I loved X Men first class even though Thor was just slightly better, it blows the other X Men movies right out of the water. I didn't  bother me that much that banshee and moira mctaggert were not from ireland and scotland respectfully was to busy enjoying the film, you've got to remeber that this is the start of the Xavier's training of his mutants so their won't be a danger room to train his mutants in so he had to make do with what he had but i found that the  the training scenes were well done. Didn't like the cameo i thought it was pointless, and is it just me or is his hair becoming less pointed or something?

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I loved it, sue me :) - 5/6/2011 11:32:21 AM   
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Faasbender FTW! Looking forward to the blu ray.

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First Class Beginning.. - 5/6/2011 1:39:58 PM   
williamteh

 

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Pure great entertainment. Fun, snappy and interesting new cast that are comfortable and believable in their new character. Could not understand why 3 stars ?

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 1:46:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kingtutiii

It was good, but I have one question. How will they fix the continuity errors?

My theory (and the theory of others too, as I've read) is that the continuity errors mostly only affect X-Men 3, which could be a deliberate "middle finger" by Bryan Singer and Matthew Vaughn to the Fox executives.

I'd love it if that was true, but I don't think we'll ever know for sure

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 1:55:21 PM   
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I think I understand why I was so bored whilst watching First Class.


SPOILERS



I knew the outcome of every single plot stand. The main (or background story) of the Cuban Missile crisis I knew would be averted. The main character arc of Charles and Eric I already knew the outcome of, the secondary character arcs I also knew the outcome of (Mystique joining Magneto, Beast becoming Beast), and since Sebastian Shaw isn't in the other films I guessed early on that he'd be dead by the last scene.


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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 1:58:20 PM   
Tech_Noir

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hood_Man


quote:

ORIGINAL: kingtutiii

It was good, but I have one question. How will they fix the continuity errors?

My theory (and the theory of others too, as I've read) is that the continuity errors mostly only affect X-Men 3, which could be a deliberate "middle finger" by Bryan Singer and Matthew Vaughn to the Fox executives.

I'd love it if that was true, but I don't think we'll ever know for sure


Wasn't it in the first X-Men that Professor X says he met Eric when he was 17?

Did Vaughn and Singer not bother re-watching the first film at any point during pre-production or production?

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 2:06:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tech_Noir


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hood_Man


quote:

ORIGINAL: kingtutiii

It was good, but I have one question. How will they fix the continuity errors?

My theory (and the theory of others too, as I've read) is that the continuity errors mostly only affect X-Men 3, which could be a deliberate "middle finger" by Bryan Singer and Matthew Vaughn to the Fox executives.

I'd love it if that was true, but I don't think we'll ever know for sure


Wasn't it in the first X-Men that Professor X says he met Eric when he was 17?

Did Vaughn and Singer not bother re-watching the first film at any point during pre-production or production?


Don't think so.


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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 2:09:12 PM   
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Jane Goldman was on TV earlier saying how much she had taken from the first films. I guess she was distracted whilst watching.

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 2:11:36 PM   
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To be honest First Class is as much a reboot as anything. Trying to tie everything up in a single continuinty is what has made comic books so horrible to dive into in the last few decades. This is Star Trek 2009 level reboot. A soft reboot, but a reboot nonetheless. 

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 2:21:24 PM   
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I saw this yesterday. While it is an enjoyable an very worthy addition to the series, it wasn't a patch on Singer's films. Fassbender and McAvoy were brilliant (even if the accents went a little wonky towards the end) and I really hope we see another instalment at least, as I thought the 60's setting was great. Loved the cameo. It's one use of strong language was a good one!

I agree with Empires 3 stars. It was just a little too corny in places and the montages could have done with being a bit shorter. Kevin Bacon made a good villain, but it really is Charles and Erik's show.

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 2:55:34 PM   
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Saw this last night thought that Erik and Charles were brilliant.

My main gripes is that I felt that too much was crammed into one film, Them meeting, setting up X-men etc. felt rushed at places and then very slow in others. I would of preferred two films that covered a lot more of the stories.

THAT CAMEO was excellent I didn't know it was coming so had a bit of a fan girl "Squee!" in the cinema.

I would loved to have seen more of the Hellfire club and heard Emma Frost being called the White Queen. Emma Frost was woefully underused in the film as someone said she was just "side kick" which was a shame. I'll agree with everyone else January Jones was terrible in the role. Kevin Bacon was brilliant but the film belonged to McAvoy and Fassbender.

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 4:16:02 PM   
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Two things.

I wouldn't even call it a 'soft' reboot. It's not. By including Logan it's clear the film is meant to be included in the current continuity. That was a mistake. It should have been a reboot but that's not the case. We may get another prequel and as Tech said in regards to Shaw we can expect Frost to be dead by the end of that one. I knew when the film was announced and the cast set out it was too good to be true to be Jackman free. The film is no where near Star Trek level reboot.

I'm going to defend Jones here too. Emma Frost is mean to be unbalanced, shit don't faze so in that regard I think her monotone performance was spot on. The only crimes were she was wasted and she weren't English. Other than that she was fine.



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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 4:50:33 PM   
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Nimoy was in Trek 2009 - still a reboot. 

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 4:52:44 PM   
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Yeah but you know what I mean though Rgirvan, he was there because it made sense in the plot. Time travel was involved. I don't know about you but I didn't see Bishop or Cable pop up once in this move or the Scarlet Witch and her reality alternating powers...or Legion....

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 4:54:39 PM   
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Nimoy was in Trek 2009 - still a reboot. 

There was a whole lot of Wibbley-Wobbley Timey-Wimey going on in that though. It's not the same thing, the timeline was changed within the film to accomodate for it. If they plan to do that in the next X-Men then fair enough, but it wouldn't fit in with the realistic world that's been set-up with this series.

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RE: Putting My Cards On The Table... - 5/6/2011 4:57:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Paul2j

Thought this was awesome - really interesting plot and I was completely enthralled. Superb - right up there with X2.

When is the obvious bung-filled 12A certificate going to end? Absolute joke again - no way should say an 8 year old watch this?

Doesn't detract from my enjoyment of a quality film though - easy 9 out of 10


Why not? There wasn't anything in there that would be too much for kids. What exactly do you think was inappropriate for kids?


Erm.....for starters - a coin slowly moving through someone's head?!?!?!?

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 5:23:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: The REAL Bozz

Yeah but you know what I mean though Rgirvan, he was there because it made sense in the plot. Time travel was involved. I don't know about you but I didn't see Bishop or Cable pop up once in this move or the Scarlet Witch and her reality alternating powers...or Legion....


I don't mean in terms of timetravel  -the new Trek was all about getting away from the old series, without pissing everyone off. But it was a reboot. This movie serves the same purpose. Trying to force it into fitting in with the other films (esp Last Stand and Wolverine) simply doesn't work.

Another example - Casino Royale - still has Dench, but is clearly a reboot. That is what First Class is.


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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 5:25:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hood_Man


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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Nimoy was in Trek 2009 - still a reboot. 

There was a whole lot of Wibbley-Wobbley Timey-Wimey going on in that though. It's not the same thing, the timeline was changed within the film to accomodate for it. If they plan to do that in the next X-Men then fair enough, but it wouldn't fit in with the realistic world that's been set-up with this series.


I don't mean it in the literal sense of there being timetravel  -I mean in the broader "Casino Royale" sense of the word reboot. Still some things in there harking back to previous films, but also an attempt at a reboot. People are going to spend a lot of time trying to get this movie to fit in with all the others and it won't work (beyond the Singer films).


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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 5:28:06 PM   
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OK I see what you mean now that you've tossed Dench in the machine. I still think fans need a break from Jackman though. I stand by my argument though that the film doesn't know what it is. Prequel/reboot/ relaunch? I'm gonna wait till a sequel comes along and we get a clear sense of where things are going.

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RE: X-Men: First Class - 5/6/2011 5:29:39 PM   
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So was the flashback of Charles and Eric all chummy when they visit Jean Gray's house a dream?

And was the walking Professor X that rescued Cyclops a clone?

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