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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 12:50:32 AM   
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I probably won't see this until next week, but I was just wondering, does anyone else feel like this film has just creeped up from under the radar? In 2006 you couldn't go anywhere without seeing huge banners of Jack Sparrow and Davey Jones, but this year it's been incredibly low key


*probably because Depp took all their marketing money! lol


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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 1:16:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hood_Man

I probably won't see this until next week, but I was just wondering, does anyone else feel like this film has just creeped up from under the radar? In 2006 you couldn't go anywhere without seeing huge banners of Jack Sparrow and Davey Jones, but this year it's been incredibly low key


*probably because Depp took all their marketing money! lol


Sounds like the most likely answer!

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 2:49:40 AM   
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Glad mr and mrs Pout-a-lot (Kiera Knightley and Orlando Bloom) are gone.
I very much want to see this movie.
Hans zimmer's music is one of the many reasons I want to see this.
I may have been the only person who enjoyed Dead Man's Chest rather than Curse of the Black Pearl.
Seeing it this week.

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 8:51:16 AM   
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Firstly, I'm gunna have a moan about the 3D. Terrible.

I beleive this was shot on 3D, rather than being a conversion and I can't say that it ever really shows. It's never used to add any depth to any of the shots and it really feels like a wasted opportunity, I was expecting some of the sweeping shots of ships and jungle to look amazing, but it looked flat, well it looked 2D. I still don't think anyone has pulled off 3D like cameron did with Avatar, at least that did add some depth. 3D football looks much better than this multi million dollar, purpose shot 3D blockbuster! That being said, the 3D in the trailers for Cars 2 and Transformers 3 looked brilliant, particularly T3. Some shots of the spaceship interior during that teaser looked awesome and give me real hope for Prometheus in 3D.

Anyway, about the film. One of cinema's biggest missed opportunities? Quite possibly. The film itself isn't bad, as such. It's pretty well acted, well shot (most of the time), has a decent (if overly familiar) score and it pleasantly reigns in CGI excess. However, what the film is, is dull. It's muddled and unclear and never really seems to get any sense of adventure going.

The plot feels largely irrelevant. Okay, they're searching for the Fountain of Youth for a particular reason, but it never feels like the stakes are very high, it never feels like Blackbeard is a real threat or villian, he's simply a (slightly) supernatural pirate. One that never really seems to suggest a threat once he gets to the Fountain. He is never on par with Barbossa or Davey Jones from the previous movies, that's not to say McShane is poor in the role, he isn't, but he is given so little to work with. Blackbeard can raise the dead and command his ship using some unexplained supernatural powers, which is all fine and good in the POTC universe, but it is never really explained. However, with Davey Jones and Barbossa thier curses and powers were given more backstory, making it all feel much more natural. Here it feels like the writers wanted to have Blackbeard as a villian and had to work in some supernatural power, and the best they could muster was to work in some exposition about having his head cut off....or something.

Barbossa is another waste, another character shoehorned in to give link to the previous movies. It wasn't needed and it only serves to remind us of how much better he was in previous movies. Again, he's well played by the always awesome Rush, but he's wasted. Which bring s me to....

Jack Sparrow. Despite being in almost every scene, he feels very much a passenger in the vehicle he should be driving. He never seems to be quite the enterprising rascal from previous films and Depp, although good for 90% of the movie, occasionally slips and the character feels tired. In many ways Sparrow in this fourth Pirates movie reminds me of Dr Jones in the fourth Indy movie. He should be leading from the front, driving the race/chase to the prize, enterprising and smart, making it up as he goes but with that charm and style that make it look effortless. Both characters in both fourth franchise movies also seem to just be leading the bad guys to their destination, rather than trying to beat them to it. Even during the finale Jack feels very much out of the loop. With a character as good as Sparrow, much more could've been done. Still there are moments of genius from the man, in particular I quite enjoyed his cocunut tree/bungee escape manouvre. One thing that doesn't help Jack? Direction.

Although for the most part Pirates 4 is well shot and directed, when it comes to the staging of action set pieces, Rob Marshall really drops the ball. The opening London escape feels horribly staged and stiff and the carriage chase should feel fast and energetic, but is instead slow and cumbersome. Jack looks slow and is if he is very much responding to the direction of an off screen instructer "not turn Jack, step left, now right, jump up". It never feels like the fluid slapstick action Jack finds himself in in the previous movies. A pub barrell room swordfight feels so choreographed that it makes Black Pearls jerky duel between Turner and Sparrow look impressive. Things do improve as the film moves on, the aforementioned cocunut/bungee scene feels a little more like the Jack Sparrow of old, but it still doesnt reach the brilliant heights of the Barbossa/Sparrow Skeleton duel or the Big Wheel of Dead Mans Chest. The highlight of the movie is probably the mermaid attack, it's well staged and feels like something from the previous movies, but even this is reduced in quality due to the dark lighting, not helped by the added feel of very low contrast from the 3D glasses.

Zimmers score is good, I guess, but I didn't notice any new cues or themes at all, especially for Blackbeard who has no memorable villian theme to mention.

It sounds like I hated it, i didnt, I just thought it was very, very average. A pleasant enough way to kill two hours, but given the quality of Black Pearl and Dead Mans Chest, this feels like huge missed opportunity. That said, when the movie was ending (POSSIBLE SPOILER) and Barbossa sets sail, with Jack and Gibbs back in possesion of the Pearl and with thoughts of what they could do next, I'd be very interested in having Pirates 5. I still think there is one more great Jack Sparrow movie to be had, just give it better writers and a better director.

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 9:53:14 AM   
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Better than 2 & 3 on a par with 1 still nothing spectacular but a good old fashioned romp anyway thanks mainly 2 Cruz a major + over Knightly there's a bit after the credits which should lead in2 a further adventure.
An enjoyable 7/10

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 10:30:37 AM   
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That said, when the movie was ending (POSSIBLE SPOILER) and Barbossa sets sail, with Jack and Gibbs back in possesion of the Pearl and with thoughts of what they could do next, I'd be very interested in having Pirates 5. I still think there is one more great Jack Sparrow movie to be had, just give it better writers and a better director.


There is also a post end credits scene which hints strongly as to where the series will go......

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 11:23:03 AM   
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That said, when the movie was ending (POSSIBLE SPOILER) and Barbossa sets sail, with Jack and Gibbs back in possesion of the Pearl and with thoughts of what they could do next, I'd be very interested in having Pirates 5. I still think there is one more great Jack Sparrow movie to be had, just give it better writers and a better director.


There is also a post end credits scene which hints strongly as to where the series will go......


The post-credit sequence really annoyed me. There were so many loose ends that they could have tied up, yet they take us back to something which kinda went without saying.

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 11:37:01 AM   
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I find it amusing that there are many people here who hated the last couple of sequels but are still going back to see this new instalment.Gluttons for punishment i tell ya!

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 11:56:12 AM   
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I really enjoyed Dead Mans Chest, and I feel it comes in for a lot of unfair criticism. Worlds End is less successful, but I still kinda enjoy it.

Stranger Tides had real promise, stripping out the cast, stripping it back to a Captain Jack adventure, but it drops the ball in several places. There is the backbone of a good, possibly even great move, but it's never fully realised and in the hands of Marshall, the bits we should just be able to enjoy regardless (the action scenes) are reduced to stagey, over choreographed, stilted sequences. I didnt even mind the missionary/mermaid subplot, probably because it isnt given much time and is used mostly as a way to extract the mermaid tears. Honestly, my main problems though was the lack of a really villianous villian, a lack of any real threat and the fact that Jack seems merely along for the ride rather than being a real driving force/leader of the story.

I didnt hang around for the post credits sequence, but I reckon I could hazard a guess. Anyone want to tell me what it was using the good ol invisiotext? Cheers.

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 20/5/2011 12:58:56 PM   
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I really enjoyed Dead Mans Chest, and I feel it comes in for a lot of unfair criticism. Worlds End is less successful, but I still kinda enjoy it.

Stranger Tides had real promise, stripping out the cast, stripping it back to a Captain Jack adventure, but it drops the ball in several places. There is the backbone of a good, possibly even great move, but it's never fully realised and in the hands of Marshall, the bits we should just be able to enjoy regardless (the action scenes) are reduced to stagey, over choreographed, stilted sequences. I didnt even mind the missionary/mermaid subplot, probably because it isnt given much time and is used mostly as a way to extract the mermaid tears. Honestly, my main problems though was the lack of a really villianous villian, a lack of any real threat and the fact that Jack seems merely along for the ride rather than being a real driving force/leader of the story.

I didnt hang around for the post credits sequence, but I reckon I could hazard a guess. Anyone want to tell me what it was using the good ol invisiotext? Cheers.


Theres a youtube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL5S4xiF4-A

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 21/5/2011 2:37:58 PM   
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i quite enjoyed it, it was fun, light entertainment and i like that sort of thing. So much better without Knightley and Bloom, they were all well and good as part of the first film but did my fruit in after that.

But 3D? Hardly any of it was in 3D... and as usual hardly any convenient to most people 2D showings at our cinema... i can live without 3D in general but if i have to then at least have some 3D in the film, it felt like its was mainly just watching a normal 2D film in daft glasses.... felt a bit ripped off paying the extra for that, it was only very odd scenes where they used the glaringly obvious 3D (sword in the door etc). Like someone else said, the ships and ocean scenes would have looked cool done in decent 3D, nice bit of eye candy and all that. but yeah... don't bother with the 3D if you can pay normal money and watch it in 2D, there's barely any difference!

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 21/5/2011 7:21:24 PM   
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I find it amusing that there are many people here who hated the last couple of sequels but are still going back to see this new instalment.Gluttons for punishment i tell ya!


I'm someone who definitely won't be making that mistake.

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No Will Turner = No Pirates Of The Caribbean. - 21/5/2011 8:16:25 PM   
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Without Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann the movie lost it's heart and soul. I miss the characters alot. I am a fan of POTC because of Will Turner played by Bloom. Depp is lazy and boring, his character is predictable and egoistic. Depp is obviously satisfied with recieving the fat paycheck and being totally obedient to Jerry Bruckheimer who keeps ruining the good things around him as usual. Depp cares not if his character goes OC and he looks very heavvy while doing the stunts. That scene with him escaping the palace was heavy and unbelievable. He is too old for this choreography. The movie is plain bad. The director is weak. Penelope Cruz is a nightmere with her accent and the inability to be convincing even with holding an oar, leave alone the sword. She was absolutely ridiculous pretending that she can "fight." Even Zimmer (what the heck happened to him?) didn't make me feel happier. His music in the previous movies is genius and here...the "Spanish guitar"? Meh. The poor job on the Lights dept. - the movie can recieve some grant on the lightsaving. Add to this the sloppy job on SGI dept. and things like you can actually see the mermaids hanging from the the prop ropes and you will get the pic. The story is no concern for the writers. My favorite POTC turned into sour On Stranger Tides. The good thing: I saw it for free. The major dissapointment: the biggest sea adventure franchise is dead for me now. :(

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Pirates of the Caribbean : On Stranger Tides - 22/5/2011 2:02:48 AM   
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Faster paced, far less complicated and all the more entertaining as a result than the dreadful, 'At Worlds End'.

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Disappointing - 22/5/2011 10:10:13 AM   
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Although it does try to correct the mistakes of the two sequels by being less bloated and concerned with nonsensical plot lines, this is still a large misfire. A film like this should feature inventive and creative pace and plot, but instead all we get is a skimpy story that could have been written by a six-year old and a few action sequences here and there to make you think that it's all fun. If you have half a brain, it's not.

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Why all the bad reviews - 22/5/2011 9:22:08 PM   
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I really really enjoyed the film its just as good as the other films and was good fun popcorn movie that what movies are for arnt they to have fun and enjoy not speculate and critisize id like to see all you bad reviewrs pull of something as good. real fun movie :)

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Why all the bad reviews - 22/5/2011 9:22:10 PM   
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I really really enjoyed the film its just as good as the other films and was good fun popcorn movie that what movies are for arnt they to have fun and enjoy not speculate and critisize id like to see all you bad reviewrs pull of something as good. real fun movie :)

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RE: Why all the bad reviews - 22/5/2011 9:28:16 PM   
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I really really enjoyed the film its just as good as the other films and was good fun popcorn movie that what movies are for arnt they to have fun and enjoy not speculate and critisize id like to see all you bad reviewrs pull of something as good. real fun movie :)


I filmed myself taking a shit. It was better than At World's End.


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Harsh reviews - 23/5/2011 10:29:56 AM   
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I saw this yesterday and enjoyed it. Granted, it is not going to win any oscars but if you just want to be entertained then it can do the job.
It is less complicated than Worlds end which can only be a good thing. Not as good as the first film but a good addition to the series. I hope they make a 5th as I like the Pirates movies!

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- 23/5/2011 11:14:01 AM   
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Completely agree with the above review. I am an avid Depp fan and I love the pirates series (even the 3rd) but this was so disappointing! It's lost all the charm that Sparrow gave to the series because like you have said the writers aren't understanding what was entertaining about the films in the first place. I went in with an open mind but I wasn't impressed at all! The ending was so stupid and the mermaid and religious boy's storyline was pointless, as was the reason to going to the fountain of youth in the first place!

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Why the suprise? - 23/5/2011 12:43:32 PM   
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From the makers of Dead Mans Chest and At Worlds End and the director of Chicago....was it ever going to be above 3 stars?

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Why the suprise? - 23/5/2011 12:43:34 PM   
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From the makers of Dead Mans Chest and At Worlds End and the director of Chicago....was it ever going to be above 3 stars?

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 23/5/2011 10:02:03 PM   
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I find it amusing that there are many people here who hated the last couple of sequels but are still going back to see this new instalment.Gluttons for punishment i tell ya!



I find it amusing that a certain someone finds it necessary to remind us over and over again of his hatred for certain movies.

Anyhoo - I saw all of the first sequel and the first 30 minutes of the third film. I don't need to see this one. I get it.

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 23/5/2011 10:36:04 PM   
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I saw it today and have to say it wasnt as bad as i feared! The plot could have been a bit more exciting, but the set pieces were good and Jack was as funny as ever.  The 3D was a bit of a let down though i have to say, the best bit of 3d i saw today was in one of the ads! But it passed the time admirably, i wasnt bored and never looked at my watch once, it was an enjoyable romp no more, no less.  

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Seasick - 23/5/2011 11:43:17 PM   
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Quick movie review: Pirates of the Decidedly Average Caribbean: On Slightly Dull Tides!

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Not That Bad - 24/5/2011 12:30:45 AM   
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Honestly, On Stranger Tides is better than 2 stars. At World's End definitely earns 2 stars for its terribleness; On Stranger Tides is much better than that, boasting the kind of narrative drive and character focus which made The Curse of the Black Pearl such fun.

Unfortunately, there are flaws: Blackbeard and his powers are WAY underused, there are no epic sea battles, there are a couple of plot holes (what happened to the Spanish??), the early action scenes feel somewhat strung together, and Penelope Cruz doesn't really make an impact as Angelica (and has one really terrible 'innuendo' line).

But to counteract this: what action we get is great, Bloom and Knightley are no longer in it (whoopee!), the final showdown is spectacular, the wit is improved from the previous sequels and the mermaids are awesome. Keith Richards' cameo is satisfying and funny, Stephen Graham is a good comic support character and there is much promise of where the next film could go - the kind of threads which leave you looking forward to what happens next, rather than frustrated by loose ends. And the 3D is actually some of the best I've seen (this being the tenth film I've seen in the medium)

A fun 136 minutes of escapist fun; it lacks the energetic spark of the first 2 films and misses a couple of opportunities, but is a solid, entertaining entry into the Pirates series.

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 24/5/2011 9:44:33 AM   
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Firstly, I'm gunna have a moan about the 3D. Terrible.

Zimmers score is good, I guess, but I didn't notice any new cues or themes at all, especially for Blackbeard who has no memorable villian theme to mention.

It sounds like I hated it, i didnt, I just thought it was very, very average. A pleasant enough way to kill two hours, but given the quality of Black Pearl and Dead Mans Chest, this feels like huge missed opportunity. That said, when the movie was ending (POSSIBLE SPOILER) and Barbossa sets sail, with Jack and Gibbs back in possesion of the Pearl and with thoughts of what they could do next, I'd be very interested in having Pirates 5. I still think there is one more great Jack Sparrow movie to be had, just give it better writers and a better director.


I don't agree with you entirely on the 3D front (yes, it's a missed opportunity but it is still some of the best I've seen); did you see Coraline or Beowulf in 3D? I think they did it much better than Avatar did.

Anyway, I do agree with your final comment that the film's closing scenes make the prospect of Pirates 5 more welcome than I would have expected. I also agree that it's well past the time when Rossio and Elliot should have been retired from the franchise: true, they are responsible for Jack Sparrow's memorable dialogue and the amoral depiction of pirates, but after Dead Man's Chest they have failed to bring anything special or fresh to the franchise. Unfortunately Rossio has already submitted a script to Disney for the 5th film - with any luck the studio will bring in another screenwriter to freshen things up. I would also prefer another director, but to be fair Marshall's direction wasn't that bad and he could improve if given another chance - just look at how Christopher Nolan's ability with action scenes has developed since Batman Begins.

The new cues in Zimmer's score are actually darn good, I'm listening to them now; sadly he recycles a bit too much from the earlier films to make it distinguishable.

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Not bad at all - 24/5/2011 10:36:32 PM   
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Not as good as the first one, but certainly head and shoulders above the second and third installments. Has a considerable charm throughout and some good laugh out moments. Certainly Orlando and what's her face aren't missed. I saw it in 2D and would class it an ideal Orange Wednesday 2for1 or an entertaining popcorn movie.Not a 4 star as it's all been done before.

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Bring on Pirates 5!! - 25/5/2011 6:54:59 AM   
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A 2 star review is totally unfair for this film. It was excellent. And deserved four stars. It seems Empire only allocate great reviews to their bum chums (George Lucas, Spielberg, Peter Jackson) - the stars wars prequels for instance - none of them should have got above 2 stars. The Return of the King? The Matrix movies, some of the Harry Potter movies, The last bond movie Solace? These were awful yet Empire consistently over rates them. Bottom-line: if you dont like Pirates of the Caribbean then why did you even bother ging in the first place?? For people who do, rest assured that this film betters Pirates 2 and 3 and on repeated viewings ( I have seen it four times already) it gets better and better because you become more attached to the newer characters ( scrum) and you pick up on subtle subtext: Barbossa having "afternoon tea" on his ship which consists of rum in a tea pot and sliced apples ( in the first film he listed after apples) . The Pirates of the Caribbean movies should be viewed as an on going series - like James Bond. People are divided on what Bonds are good and bad but nevertheless Michael G. Wilson continues to churn out Bond movies. Pirates of the Caribbean is like ( forgive the blatant pun) a theme park road. People want to be entertained, and this movie ticks all the boxes. It is the modern day Indiana Jones series ( Empire don't get me started on your review on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. What an awful movie. Get your Tongue out of Spielbergs arse!). Imagine if Indiana Jones had kept going as a series after Last Crusade? Roll on Pirates 5 . I hope this series continues well after Depp's joke for a Pirates 8.

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- 25/5/2011 10:35:04 AM   
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On stranger tides is more entertaining and less overblown than At Worlds End but it is a hugely dispointing spectacle with not even impressive effects to save it. It fails to match the brilliance of the first film or the fun creative energy of the underated 2nd film. In fact it seems that the writers did not seem to take any interest. It starts well with an exciting (if not hurried) trip round London, certainly the strongest point in the fim. But from there it is downhill. The greatest fault is the lack of any particular threat. Why should we care if they are trying to find the fountain if there is nothing at stake? As a fan of the series I thought it was a shame for a film with so much potential. There are good moments but a lack of anything interesting spoiled it. Hopefully, they could make amends by a 5th film - 2 stars from me

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