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Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 18/4/2011 4:13:53 PM   
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Oh, this is going to divide people because I know most people hated it.

You could probably blame the marketing as this was billed as both a 'Robin Hood' film and 'The Story Behind The Legend', therefore people expecting Merry Men, evil sheriffs and such were inevitably disappointed.

However as 'Robin Hood Begins', I thought it was great, working as a genesis movie that lead into the "robbing from the rich" story we all know so well and have seen numerous times.

I always thought the negative reaction was akin to the Casino Royale backlash, with many people resisting the new direction of an established 'icon'. So many people wanted the 'familiar' story they were familiar with and this new take was just too different.



But I loved it. As Robin Hood is more legend than fact, you can just take the character and do whatever the hell you want with him. Setting him as a key player in the political fallout of Magna Carta was a genius plot device. THe Director's Cut is (personally) a much better film, with the 'Lost Boys of Sherwood' subplot padded out a bit so it actually makes sense when they show up at the end. If you haven't seen it, I'd give it a look but if you found the theatrical release too long.... then don't.

Oh and I really don't understand the Crowe/accent complaints. It sounded fine to my Southern ears.


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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 18/4/2011 4:21:43 PM   
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I thought this was fantastic. I never got to see it on the big screen but bought the Blu-Ray upon release and watched the DC straight off the bat. It's a shame it received unfair critism that seems to have put a sequel on the back burner because this was a great reboot and a new twist on the story....

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 18/4/2011 4:24:31 PM   
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Will there ever be a sequel?

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 18/4/2011 4:45:51 PM   
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Watched this at the weekend and thought it was OK but not great, the idea of doing a "Robin Hood Begins" as you put it was clever one. Unfortuately I did find the whole thing a bit dis-jointed and it took about an hour and 20 minutes before it got going, if I'd been watching in the Cinema, I may well have given up on it by then and stopped caring, but cuddled up on the sofa with the missus I stuck with it and found the second half much better than the first.

Oh and Crowe's accent really is awful! A tour of Northern English regional accents with notable stops in Newcastle and Liverpool and hints at Scot's Irish & Welsh - he should have just taken the Sean Connery and Kevin Costner approach and spoke with his natural accent rather than having a go at an accent he clearly didn't have time perfect.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 18/4/2011 5:14:40 PM   
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quote:

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Will there ever be a sequel?


I'd second that.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 18/4/2011 8:04:03 PM   
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There will never be a sequel. This movie should have been great - Scott and Crowe in Kingdom of Heavens playground. But it is not very good at all. There is no real through line - the stuff with Hoods father is crowbarred in there - you can smell the script being re-written on set.

The end result is a confused, jumble of a film, which one or two sequences aside, was also deathly dull. I wasn't bothered about it being Hood Begins (but really, at Crowes age, how silly does that look?) but there is a hint of a good movie in there. If you listen to the commentary for Kingdom of Heaven, Scott pretty much lays out the plotline for a Hood movie.

This felt a little like Robin and Marion - but that movie is far, far better.


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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 19/4/2011 9:01:02 AM   
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I enjoyed it and hope for a sequel.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 20/7/2011 3:12:08 PM   
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I'm noticing Oscar Issac seems to be Scott's go-to guy at the moment. Not only was he King John in Robin Hood, but (and I didn't initially recognise him) he was also DiCaprio's Middle Eastern helper in Body of Lies (another unfairly maligned Scott film).



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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 20/7/2011 3:28:07 PM   
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The biggest mistake Scott made with this film was trying to convince people that it is a Robin Hood film. It isn't. He could have made a name up and called it that if he wanted, and it would have probably have been better received. The trouble is, it tries to tell the legend from the beginning but feels like it's starting from halfway, and working backwards. What we know of 'Robin' is all assumed, nothing is really presented on screen. He comes home from a war, steals someones identity then fights off the Allies at Normandy. Or something. Why would you make a Robin Hood film that introduces Robin as a 40-something, wait until the end to introduce (in the loosest sense) the character that everyone is familiar with (i.e. the wood-dwelling outlaw) and then clearly never move to follow it up with another film? It makes no sense - the film is, ultimately, completely pointless.  

And let's not get started on his accent.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 20/7/2011 3:45:31 PM   
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I really enjoyed it. Having saif that I love Ridley Scott films. I thought it told a great story and had the usual Scott visual flourishes and you felt Robin and Marian falling in love very much along with the tight-knit 'merry men' was well presented.
 
I'd personally welcome a sequel.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 21/7/2011 2:16:18 AM   
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I thought it was just ok.Its too long and there wasnt enough action.Crowes accent(s) are awful as well.

The problem with the marketing was that it was being advertised like a sequel to Gladiator(Crowe even has the same haircut as he did in that film).

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 21/7/2011 7:19:01 AM   
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I still prefer the Costner version

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 21/7/2011 2:07:48 PM   
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quote:

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I still prefer the Costner version


After about 2 and half hours of this I was saying "Come back Kev, all is forgiven". At least he knew he was out of his depth with accents and played safe. Crowe basically did Gladiator with an ever changing regional accent. And why the hell was Little John a Scotsman played by an American and Will Scarlet a Welshman played by that ginger guy from ER - surely Ridley had a wealth of British talent to choose from; hell, there was enough Brit actors on display in the minor roles. Some of the poorest casting I've seen for some time.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 22/7/2011 3:14:55 AM   
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Still have not seen it, remember the film getting mixed reviews, seemed on paper like a good project for the Scott/Crowe team, but by all accounts does seem a bit of a flop. Will take a look at it, maybe rent it from lovefilm, before commenting further.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 27/7/2011 2:02:06 PM   
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I thought it was a solid movie. It lagged a little at times, but unfairly maligned imo.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 28/7/2011 2:39:11 PM   
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Saw it at the cinema and enjoyed, saw the Director's Cut and enjoyed it even more - definitely the better version and felt more of a complete storyline with the Sherwood lads backstory coming out.

One thing, and it may be a girly one, but that smooch between Marion and Robin was severely lacking!

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 12:35:00 PM   
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Like that?



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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 1:51:27 PM   
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Picked this up on BR (can't resist a steelbook) even though I was underwhelmed at the cinema. That may be because I managed to not realise that it was a 'Robin Hood Begins' affair, so expected the wrong thing. Knowing where it is, myth-wise, should help in a second viewing I hope.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 1:54:19 PM   
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Robin and Marion tells this whole story much better than Scotts effort - it even has the same sort of struture. 

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 2:03:11 PM   
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quote:

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Like that?




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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 2:13:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jessica_ca_ca_ca

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

Like that?




Na, no tongue, Ti. Shame on you.


To be fair, she is busily wanking him off with her left hand.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 3:04:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Robin and Marion tells this whole story much better than Scotts effort - it even has the same sort of struture. 


Hang on, Robin and Marion tells the end of the legend with Marion euthanising Robin. This is the beginning of the legend where they meet.... so.... how?!

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 3:09:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Robin and Marion tells this whole story much better than Scotts effort - it even has the same sort of struture. 


Hang on, Robin and Marion tells the end of the legend with Marion euthanising Robin. This is the beginning of the legend where they meet.... so.... how?!


Because both start with the whole King Richard dying subplot and Robin returning home. Marion being older and so on and so forth. Connery couldn't have been much older than Crowe when he played Robin - the only difference is, as you say, one is about the start of the myth. But the movie would have been much more satisfying if they had actully told the end of the story.


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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 3:10:50 PM   
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Actually he was older than Connery...

But we've seen that story with Robin dying. Arguably we hadn't seen this story - or at least a more realistic take on it.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 3:15:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

Actually he was older than Connery...

But we've seen that story with Robin dying. Arguably we hadn't seen this story - or at least a more realistic take on it.


Why is a more realistic take on the story desireable?


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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 3:18:51 PM   
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Because I wanted to see it! As opposed to this (which is still fun!)




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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 26/8/2011 3:46:02 PM   
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It was a very much missed chance - the Robin Hood movie Scott talks about in the Kingdom of Heaven commentary sounds more intertesting...heck the first script for this movie was intriguing. 

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 19/12/2011 4:25:19 PM   
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The whole CSI: Nottingham story? Yeah, they touch upon that in the Making of doc.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 19/12/2011 5:26:25 PM   
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I must admit I was expecting more 'Gladiator in the woods' than what we got. Maybe that was the fault of the marketing as some have said, but in general I found it a bit wanting.

I'd rather have seen Nottingham.

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RE: Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - 21/12/2011 12:51:35 AM   
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To be honest I thought it was pretty dull and I actually fell asleep during some of it, which is very unusual for me!

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