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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 10:43:34 AM   
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I think one of the big problems for Superhero movies is getting the general public hooked on some of those second and third tier characters.

Even non comic book fans know who Superman, Spiderman and Batman are, less so Thor, Green Lantern etc. Comic book movies were never really a success other than Burton's Batman and Donner's Superman, and after the genre was killed again by the god awful Batman & Robin studios moved away, and the adaptations of Spiderman never took off. It was only when (arguably second tier) X-Men returned a modest success that comic book movies picked up again. Making a comic book movie must be one of the harder jobs in Hollywood, on the one hand you need to make somethign accessible to everyone, whilst also being scrutinised by some pretty hardcore fanbase. Can't be easy.




I don't think it would be a big problem if they just made a decent film but so far other than the first Iron Man and possibly Thor the recent output for second tier characters has been poor or in in Marvels case too safe. I don't think this Avengers project has helped its quite clear they are just a setup for this end goal.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 10:59:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dirk Miggler

I don't think it would be a big problem if they just made a decent film but so far other than the first Iron Man and possibly Thor the recent output for second tier characters has been poor or in in Marvels case too safe. I don't think this Avengers project has helped its quite clear they are just a setup for this end goal.


That's the problem for me though, with such a poor set up (Thor, Cap & IM2) it's put me off going to see The Avengers.

If those three were brilliant then I would have been pretty excited by The Avengers. As it stands, not so much.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 11:25:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dirk Miggler

I don't think it would be a big problem if they just made a decent film but so far other than the first Iron Man and possibly Thor the recent output for second tier characters has been poor or in in Marvels case too safe. I don't think this Avengers project has helped its quite clear they are just a setup for this end goal.


That's the problem for me though, with such a poor set up (Thor, Cap & IM2) it's put me off going to see The Avengers.

If those three were brilliant then I would have been pretty excited by The Avengers. As it stands, not so much.



watching stark get up the heroes's noses is the USP for 'the avengers'.
plus wheddon knows comic books and team dynamics.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 12:21:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

I think one of the big problems for Superhero movies is getting the general public hooked on some of those second and third tier characters.

Even non comic book fans know who Superman, Spiderman and Batman are, less so Thor, Green Lantern etc. Comic book movies were never really a success other than Burton's Batman and Donner's Superman, and after the genre was killed again by the god awful Batman & Robin studios moved away, and the adaptations of Spiderman never took off. It was only when (arguably second tier) X-Men returned a modest success that comic book movies picked up again. Making a comic book movie must be one of the harder jobs in Hollywood, on the one hand you need to make somethign accessible to everyone, whilst also being scrutinised by some pretty hardcore fanbase. Can't be easy.




What about Blade. That movie came before X-Men. He is certainly less well known than most comic characters.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:07:26 PM   
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What about Blade. That movie came before X-Men. He is certainly less well known than most comic characters.



It wasn't a huge smash like X-Men though. And it was an 18, X-Men was 12A, starting the trend of studios aiming their big comic book films at a wider market.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:10:45 PM   
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Blade did really well - but he was like a z list comic book character - most weren't even aware he was a comic book character. 

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:39:29 PM   
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Blade has probably been about the best of the bunch (dated CGI aside) and is a film I'd revisit today without hesitation. Same can't be said for Spidey 3, Fantastic Four, Iron Man 2, X-Men 3, Wolverine, Thor, Captain America......

Even Blade 2 is better than most of the recent dross.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:46:06 PM   
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Blade has probably been about the best of the bunch (dated CGI aside) and is a film I'd revisit today without hesitation. Same can't be said for Spidey 3, Fantastic Four, Iron Man 2, X-Men 3, Wolverine, Thor, Captain America......

Even Blade 2 is better than most of the recent dross.


You're right about the others but Thor is excellent.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:47:02 PM   
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Blade has probably been about the best of the bunch (dated CGI aside) and is a film I'd revisit today without hesitation. Same can't be said for Spidey 3, Fantastic Four, Iron Man 2, X-Men 3, Wolverine, Thor, Captain America......

Even Blade 2 is better than most of the recent dross.

I thought Thor was very good and even Captain America was good stupid fun. The rest, meh...

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:51:19 PM   
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Has the superhero genre got their Godfather, Star Wars or LOTR? By which I mean a movie that has transcended the boundaries of its genre and become both a critial and commerical success, and will be remembered for decades to come? A genuine classic film?

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:53:29 PM   
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The Dark Knight, surely?

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:55:30 PM   
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Has the superhero genre got their Godfather, Star Wars or LOTR? By which I mean a movie that has transcended the boundaries of its genre and become both a critial and commerical success, and will be remembered for decades to come? A genuine classic film?


Superman - The Movie
The Dark Knight (or Batman Begins depending on you're preference)
X-Men 2
Maybe Watchmen?

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:56:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Has the superhero genre got their Godfather, Star Wars or LOTR? By which I mean a movie that has transcended the boundaries of its genre and become both a critial and commerical success, and will be remembered for decades to come? A genuine classic film?


In terms of wide scale respect beyond genre fans, I'd say the Nolan trilogy will do that, in fact, I'd say he's on course to have the best trilogy ever placed on screen.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 1:59:12 PM   
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I don't think most people even remember X Men 2 or Watchmen for that matter (and I really like both of them). When I mean classic I mean a superhero film which will appear in a Oscar montage in 2040 - something that has that timeless quality.

The Dark Knight seems to have been the closest it has got - and perhaps that is the one. But just interested to see how the genre is doing in comparison to others.


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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 2:07:34 PM   
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I'd say the original Superman Movie, not that I'm a great fan of it but it is fairly iconic and is already used in movie montages.

Of the current batch I'd say only the Nolan Batman's can carry that.

EDIT: I also love X-men 2 and Watchmen but I don't think they're that popular.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 2:10:55 PM   
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2002's Spider-man has one of the decade's most iconic moments with the upside-down kiss. I think alongside The Dark Knight it can claim to be a bona-fide comic classic.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 4:38:33 PM   
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I would agree, depending on how DKR turns out they will definately be regarded as the genres classics. Personally I think BB is superior to DK although both are great, BB its just a perfect origin story, tightly plotted and perfectly paced. Kudos to WB, DC and the rest for having the balls to take a chance on Nolan, they deserve all the success. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Marvel.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 6:18:29 PM   
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Not entirely sure this fits in with the superhero genre, maybe super-anti-hero...

I'd like to see Judge Dredd come back. What Nolan has done with Batman, dragging it out of the pantomime squalor into a more sinister, darker world, could surely be used to change Sly's muscle-puppetry into a dystopian nightmare. I'd love to see what John Hillcoat would do with it.


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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 6:39:34 PM   
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There's a new "grittier" Dredd movie out later this year, guy. Doncha know?!

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 6:48:51 PM   
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There's a new "grittier" Dredd movie out later this year, guy. Doncha know?!

I knew I shouldn't have bought that house on the Moon. I'd missed that completely, but I'm not completely sold on their promise of a cross between "Blade Runner and Clockwork Orange".

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 12/1/2012 11:29:38 PM   
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Has the superhero genre got their Godfather, Star Wars or LOTR? By which I mean a movie that has transcended the boundaries of its genre and become both a critial and commerical success, and will be remembered for decades to come? A genuine classic film?


Like others have said, The Dark Knight surely fills that criteria. I don't really like comic books or superhero movies and yet I thought that was a great film. Plus it really hit the zeitgeist at the time (partially due to Ledger's untimely death) and it cleared a billion dollars box office. When else has anyone won an Oscar for a role in a summer blockbuster movie?

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 13/1/2012 2:40:34 AM   
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When else has anyone won an Oscar for a role in a summer blockbuster movie?


Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive, Sean Connery for The Untouchables and Jack Palance for City Slickers all won for huge summer films.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 13/1/2012 2:54:43 PM   
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I'm sure there's  a few lesser-known but interesting characters ripe for the picking. I reckon a Martian Manhunter movie could be pretty darn cool. Some of the more unusual characters like that would be a nice change from the generic superhero stuff.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 13/1/2012 2:58:05 PM   
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Interesting, yes. Make money from a wider audience, no. This is why when you get past the big hitters, studios are going to struggle because beyond the fanboys and comic book fandom, the lesser known characters won't appeal to a mass appeal joe public.

It's partly why Green Lantern crawled over the $200 million box office line.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 13/1/2012 3:07:17 PM   
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Interesting, yes. Make money from a wider audience, no. This is why when you get past the big hitters, studios are going to struggle because beyond the fanboys and comic book fandom, the lesser known characters won't appeal to a mass appeal joe public.

It's partly why Green Lantern crawled over the $200 million box office line.


Was that not more due to the fact that it was a puddle of piss?

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 13/1/2012 3:09:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chief


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Interesting, yes. Make money from a wider audience, no. This is why when you get past the big hitters, studios are going to struggle because beyond the fanboys and comic book fandom, the lesser known characters won't appeal to a mass appeal joe public.

It's partly why Green Lantern crawled over the $200 million box office line.


Was that not more due to the fact that it was a puddle of piss?


I really liked it, but I think the combination of general public going Green Who ? off the back of Green Hornet, the wrong director and a weighty back story to cram in made it a 'problem' film.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 13/1/2012 3:16:40 PM   
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I've not seen it, the trailer looked pretty shoddy and general word of mouth has put me off.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 13/1/2012 3:27:59 PM   
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Interesting, yes. Make money from a wider audience, no. This is why when you get past the big hitters, studios are going to struggle because beyond the fanboys and comic book fandom, the lesser known characters won't appeal to a mass appeal joe public.

It's partly why Green Lantern crawled over the $200 million box office line.


Sadly true, I suppose. Theoretically if its just a good, sf/fantasy/action film, it doesn't matter if you've never heard of the character, but I guess there's a stigma of being a comic book movie.


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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 28/1/2012 1:05:41 AM   
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I really hope we get a Green Arrow film in the future.

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RE: The Future Of Superhero Films - 30/1/2012 2:18:00 PM   
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They're going ahead with Doctor Strange apparently, so if that goes okay we'll probably get a few more lesser known characters getting a run.


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