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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 28/6/2012 7:12:53 PM

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Bellamy's only had one red card? The poster boy for short man syndrome? Astonishing�

I got that a bit wrong actually - misread the dates. He had one in 09/10, one in 02/03 and one in 01/02. So 3 in 12 seasons and nearly 400 appearances. Not bad really, his reputation stems from off the field activities.

Beckham meanwhile received 4 red cards just playing for Madrid.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 28/6/2012 7:27:22 PM

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It must be indeed. He just feels as if he must have received so many more!

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 8:50:12 AM

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It's an absolute disgrace that Beckham has not been picked. After all he's done for his country both on and off the pitch he deserved a final send off in front of his own fans.

Micah Richards in as an overage player? A player who refused to go on the standby list for the Euros when Beckham regularly flew back from LA just to sit on the bench for his country.

Pearce has shown himself to be totally out of touch with the national opinion and needs binning. Don't want him anywhere near the England hotseat, ever.

Regarding picking the best team to win gold, who actually gives a shit? It'd be nice, but we all know football isn't an Olympic sport anyway. Winning it wouldn't be even minutely comparable to England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland winning the Euros or World Cup.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 9:03:33 AM

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I'm still waiting for Rio Ferdinand to tweet that Beckham's exclusion might be racially motivated. After all, we all know that's the only reason a player doesn't get picked for a squad.

I think if I were a GB athlete I'd be delighted that Team Beckham isn't going. Many of them get very little time in the spot-light and you can only imagine how much of it would be robbed by Sir David who would now have to carry the flag, have a news item every day about him, etc.

As for people now saying they wont go to the GB matches. What would they have done if Beckham had spent 90 minutes on the bench? This isn't hockey where you can bring on a specialist to take a corner or a free kick then remove them from the game again. Beckham would have been left stationary on the wing while a load of kids zoomed around him if he'd have got out on the pitch.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 9:21:52 AM

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I'm still waiting for Rio Ferdinand to tweet that Beckham's exclusion might be racially motivated. After all, we all know that's the only reason a player doesn't get picked for a squad.

The sarcastic nature of your post suggest it was all blown out of proportion and Rio's exclusion wasn't anything to do with the JT/Anton incident and purely about football?
Not so sure myself......

Personally I'm stuck on the fence here. While I agree Pearce has to pick his best available team, I would have liked to see Beckham lead them out. I am one of those who feels he did enough to get the Olympics (not single handedly I know) that a swan-song would have been fitting, also the fact he personifies the Olympic dream (sheer hard work equals success)
I don't believe this summer is all about winning gold medals and being the best, it's also about pride, uniting the world and more importantly, encouraging kids to go out there and do it. Beckham has that ability, Micah Richards - as much as I think he's a great player - doesn't.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 9:54:16 AM

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I'm still waiting for Rio Ferdinand to tweet that Beckham's exclusion might be racially motivated. After all, we all know that's the only reason a player doesn't get picked for a squad.

The sarcastic nature of your post suggest it was all blown out of proportion and Rio's exclusion wasn't anything to do with the JT/Anton incident and purely about football?
Not so sure myself......

Personally I'm stuck on the fence here. While I agree Pearce has to pick his best available team, I would have liked to see Beckham lead them out. I am one of those who feels he did enough to get the Olympics (not single handedly I know) that a swan-song would have been fitting, also the fact he personifies the Olympic dream (sheer hard work equals success)
I don't believe this summer is all about winning gold medals and being the best, it's also about pride, uniting the world and more importantly, encouraging kids to go out there and do it. Beckham has that ability, Micah Richards - as much as I think he's a great player - doesn't.

I'm still not getting this. It's a sport, not a testimonial. If these people want a mass orgasm over Team Beckham run a testimonial at Wembley and have at it. The sheer hard work you get to the Olympics on is strictly limited to being at the top of the sport you'll be chosen for - not wearing a suit and playing on a tedious form of noughties celebrity to get the tournament. We're hardly going to give Coe another shot at Gold because he led the bid are we?

And I'd say this too - if it comes up as a 'consolation prize' Beckham should not be lighting the flame. He's a professional footballer and it's just not on - more than enough he bafflingly turned up to do it in Manchester for the Commonwealth. UK footballers have their own tournaments - it's a little tiresome that they pitch up here after several decades and seem to be soaking up the press from sports and hardworking athletes who slog their guts out and get ignored - as Prof mentions above.

Beckham is 37 and has been playing football in LA in a country where football is still broadly seen as being for women. If I'm reading Wiki right he's barely played competitively this year. I can't help wondering if some of the people weeping in their beer over this are the same ones who've argued for Hodgon's right to choose a team based solely on merit so Ferdinand should quit whining (although I'd personally agree with Jonson on this one). Even Usain Bolt has to qualify for a spot on his team - no free passes.

I'll be watching the Wimbledon results with interest this afternoon. I guess because it's an odd Olympic inclusion, being professionals and all, but it seems odd that performance at Wimbledon isn't part of the choice mechanism. So Heather Watson will be at London 2012 but only in the doubles I think?

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 11:23:58 AM

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I'm slightly baffled that people keep saying 'who cares about winning?' Erm, sportsmen (and women) care about winning. Caring about winning is kind of what they do. But no, let's forget about that just to give an already extraordinarily blessed man a proper send-off and also ensure there's some eye-candy for the tourists (or just a player they've heard of). Beckham's made his own bed. Perhaps if he'd carried on playing at a proper level when he left Real Madrid he may have still had it in him (like his mates Giggs and Scholes) but alas he fucked off to play Mickey Mouse football, hang out with Tom Cruise and watch his legs wither. Tough.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 11:31:03 AM

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I'm still waiting for Rio Ferdinand to tweet that Beckham's exclusion might be racially motivated. After all, we all know that's the only reason a player doesn't get picked for a squad.

The sarcastic nature of your post suggest it was all blown out of proportion and Rio's exclusion wasn't anything to do with the JT/Anton incident and purely about football?
Not so sure myself......

Personally I'm stuck on the fence here. While I agree Pearce has to pick his best available team, I would have liked to see Beckham lead them out. I am one of those who feels he did enough to get the Olympics (not single handedly I know) that a swan-song would have been fitting, also the fact he personifies the Olympic dream (sheer hard work equals success)
I don't believe this summer is all about winning gold medals and being the best, it's also about pride, uniting the world and more importantly, encouraging kids to go out there and do it. Beckham has that ability, Micah Richards - as much as I think he's a great player - doesn't.

I'm still not getting this. It's a sport, not a testimonial. If these people want a mass orgasm over Team Beckham run a testimonial at Wembley and have at it. The sheer hard work you get to the Olympics on is strictly limited to being at the top of the sport you'll be chosen for - not wearing a suit and playing on a tedious form of noughties celebrity to get the tournament. We're hardly going to give Coe another shot at Gold because he led the bid are we?

And I'd say this too - if it comes up as a 'consolation prize' Beckham should not be lighting the flame. He's a professional footballer and it's just not on - more than enough he bafflingly turned up to do it in Manchester for the Commonwealth. UK footballers have their own tournaments - it's a little tiresome that they pitch up here after several decades and seem to be soaking up the press from sports and hardworking athletes who slog their guts out and get ignored - as Prof mentions above.

Beckham is 37 and has been playing football in LA in a country where football is still broadly seen as being for women. If I'm reading Wiki right he's barely played competitively this year. I can't help wondering if some of the people weeping in their beer over this are the same ones who've argued for Hodgon's right to choose a team based solely on merit so Ferdinand should quit whining (although I'd personally agree with Jonson on this one). Even Usain Bolt has to qualify for a spot on his team - no free passes.

I'll be watching the Wimbledon results with interest this afternoon. I guess because it's an odd Olympic inclusion, being professionals and all, but it seems odd that performance at Wimbledon isn't part of the choice mechanism. So Heather Watson will be at London 2012 but only in the doubles I think?

Totally agree elab. I've mentioned the lighting of the flame and the Seb Coe examples in my previous posts too.
I'm hearing now that Pearce's exclusion of Beckham is some sort of 'fuck you' to the FA. How is that exactly? If the FA cared about Olympic football, they would have pushed for GB to enter years ago. Beckham doesn't play in this country anymore and is not affiliated with them in anyway currently so this argument is bollocks. Pearce is in a situation he can't win now. If he picks Becks, he's succumbed to media pressure. If he leaves him out, it's a disgrace. All because Beckham refuses to believe he's past it and tried to muscle in on the team by using every opportunity he gets to speak to the media to promote his 'dream' of being in the Olympics.
As he seems to wield such power and if it's always been his dream; why didn't he push for an Olympic team 4,8 or 12 years ago? Or is it just because he wants to be playing for England again?

The Olympics owe David Beckham nothing. He's not an Olympic athlete and never has been. These 'thank you's he's apparently entitled to (despite the millions of pounds he's earned, super-stardom he's gained which far surpasses his footballing ability and the 10-15 extra undeserved England caps he was given) belong in the footballing world in which he made his name, not in the Olympics. If we had recent history in Olympic football in which Beckham had featured, then I'd look at it differently. But we don't. London too, owes him nothing. He doesn't live there and never played for a London club.

It's all very nice to have him in the bidding team, but his actual influence on London winning the bid was pretty much fuck all. It was the City, the infrastructure, culture, the proposed site and other factors that won it.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 11:46:57 AM

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And let's not forget, this British hero chooses to live and pay his taxes elsewhere.
If playing in the Olympics really was his dream perhaps he should've planned for it years ago by returning to the Premiership instead of pissing about on the catwalk and occasionally playing 'soccer'?

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 11:59:23 AM

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And let's not forget, this British hero chooses to live and pay his taxes elsewhere.
If playing in the Olympics really was his dream perhaps he should've planned for it years ago by returning to the Premiership instead of pissing about on the catwalk and occasionally playing 'soccer'?

He is not allowed to be a British hero because he's not paid British taxes all his life?
He lives in the States because he works there and he gets paid better than he would over here.

This Becks bashing really is getting pathetic.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 12:11:20 PM

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I'm not bashing him (I liked him as a player) I just find it laughable that people think he should be in the team simply because of who he is. And it's up to him where he lives and pays taxes, it's just even more laughable that this supposed poster boy for 'all that's Great about Britain' (copyright The Sun/Star/Mirror etc) is someone who buggered off from the country years ago simply to make more money. I have no opinion on him as a person because I don't know him, but a 'role model/model professional' he certainly isn't.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 12:14:18 PM

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Without it going too far, it's an inevitable reaction to the ridiculous pity party that's being shoved down people's throats. And to the idiots saying they're not going to buy tickets to watch Olympic football now - nuts, the lot of it. The media is key to the problem.

I've no idea who was building him up to think he was a cert for the team and I've no doubt he's genuinely gutted. But football is a small element in the overall Olympics event - but what's the betting we're going to keep getting sold this poor wee Becks crap for weeks now?

As for pathetic, people are entitled to their opinion on what constitutes a 'hero'. And a footballer who went for the money not the game might not fit the criteria for most. And, again, it's trying to force a footballcentricity (sorry!) on the Olympics.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 12:15:41 PM

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Reading back my posts, it makes it look like I don't like him. But I do like Beckham and he was without doubt a great player. I just don't think the GB footie team needs to be picked on ability and despite his previous achievements and involvements, he shouldn't be in it. He's apparently being offered some promotional role from Lord Coe. That's great. I have no problem with that or with him being a coach for the football team.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 1:01:00 PM

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I'm still not getting this. It's a sport, not a testimonial. If these people want a mass orgasm over Team Beckham run a testimonial at Wembley and have at it. The sheer hard work you get to the Olympics on is strictly limited to being at the top of the sport you'll be chosen for

But this simply isn't the case for football is it? If Pearce was picking the best players who had worked hard at the top of their sport Craig Bellamy wouldn't be in the squad.

No-one's taking the football gold seriously because we can't. The squad that will be picked will be nowhere near the best Under23s + 3 overage players in Britain.

Agree with your point for nearly every other sport in the Olympics, but it's just not the case with football.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 1:18:43 PM

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I'm still not getting this. It's a sport, not a testimonial. If these people want a mass orgasm over Team Beckham run a testimonial at Wembley and have at it. The sheer hard work you get to the Olympics on is strictly limited to being at the top of the sport you'll be chosen for

But this simply isn't the case for football is it? If Pearce was picking the best players who had worked hard at the top of their sport Craig Bellamy wouldn't be in the squad.

No-one's taking the football gold seriously because we can't. The squad that will be picked will be nowhere near the best Under23s + 3 overage players in Britain.

Agree with your point for nearly every other sport in the Olympics, but it's just not the case with football.

Stuart Pearce's job is to take it 100% seriously. People are buying tickets for the event and it will be seen around the world. You can bet your bottom dollar that the players will take it seriously too. No professional player would enter a competitive tournament and risk injury so close to the start of the season to have a jolly kick around for a couple of weeks. Just like all the 100m runners who are up against Bolt are taking it seriously. They have little chance of success but they still have to try their hardest.

It's only not the case in football as anyone in the Euro 2012 squad can't be picked. Anyone else British is eligible. Bellamy's a decent player, one of Liverpool's best last season (not hard admittedly). But he was awesome against Man City in the Carling Cup. He maybe wouldn't be in my squad as one of three seniors but the choice is clearly for footballing reasons. I think Pearce is looking for pace, which is what most of the under 23s will have and what Giggs and Bellamy still possess. Add Rodwell, Richards and Bale to the mix, it could be a pretty good team.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 29/6/2012 6:21:48 PM

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It's an absolute disgrace that Beckham has not been picked. After all he's done for his country both on and off the pitch he deserved a final send off in front of his own fans.

Micah Richards in as an overage player? A player who refused to go on the standby list for the Euros when Beckham regularly flew back from LA just to sit on the bench for his country.

Pearce has shown himself to be totally out of touch with the national opinion and needs binning. Don't want him anywhere near the England hotseat, ever.

Regarding picking the best team to win gold, who actually gives a shit? It'd be nice, but we all know football isn't an Olympic sport anyway. Winning it wouldn't be even minutely comparable to England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland winning the Euros or World Cup.

Oh dear - he's just another Ronaldo, i.e. full of himself.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 30/6/2012 4:22:58 PM

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Some good points about Beckham and the overrall problems with the international team over the last ten years. And with regards to people saying he should be in the Olympic squad simply because of who he is, the second-last paragraph says it all for me.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brian-reade-column-on-samir-nasri-945808

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 30/6/2012 7:10:33 PM

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Giggs only turns up for Wales when it suits him and Bellamy's a red-card liability. The fact is that Beckham would have given this 100%, he's not only still a decent player, he's a role-model for professional footballers and young kids alike - he pretty much represents everything the Olympics is about.

Giggs retired from international duty probably around 5+ years ago, but I see this as his way of finally getting to play in an international tournament.

Oh and Bale's out now. And the team will only be comprised of English and Welsh players.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18657042

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 2/7/2012 5:20:09 PM

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Team GB squad:

� Jack Butland (Birmingham)

� Jason Steele (Middlesbrough)

� Ryan Bertrand (Chelsea)

� Steven Caulker (Tottenham)

� Craig Dawson (West Brom)

� Micah Richards (Manchester City)

� Neil Taylor (Swansea)

� James Tomkins (West Ham)

� Joe Allen (Swansea)

� Tom Cleverley (Manchester United)

� Jack Cork (Southampton)

� Ryan Giggs (Manchester United)

� Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal)

� Danny Rose (Tottenham)

� Scott Sinclair (Swansea)

� Craig Bellamy (Liverpool)

� Marvin Sordell (Bolton)

� Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea)

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 3/7/2012 7:45:12 AM

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I quite like the look of that squad and not bad for Premiership experience either. I've noted the number of appearances in the Premiership against Dan's list, and plenty of these young lads are now starting to get experience at the top level. Maybe not as much as you'd like but its obviously something that is improving.

From the squad I think the likes of Bertrand, Caulker, Tomkins, Cleverley, Cork and Sturridge will all be brought into the full England squad within the next 12 months, so its a great development opportunity for all of them.

� Jack Butland (Birmingham)

� Jason Steele (Middlesbrough)

� Ryan Bertrand (Chelsea) - 8

� Steven Caulker (Tottenham) - 26

� Craig Dawson (West Brom) - 8

� Neil Taylor (Swansea & Wales) -36

� James Tomkins (West Ham) -54

� Joe Allen (Swansea & Wales) - 36

� Tom Cleverley (Manchester United) - 35

� Jack Cork (Southampton)

� Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal & Wales) - 68

� Danny Rose (Tottenham) -13

� Scott Sinclair (Swansea) - 60

� Marvin Sordell (Bolton) - 3

� Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea) -87

From the squad I think the likes of Bertrand, Caulker, Tomkins, Cleverley, Cork and Sturridge will all be brought into the full England squad within the next 12 months, so its a great development opportunity for all of them.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 12/7/2012 8:41:23 PM

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Some decent praise for our young sprinter Adam Gemili from Tyson Gay

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/12/adam-gemili-london-2012-tyson-gay

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 26/7/2012 8:26:34 PM

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Yey, Go Bellers.

PS Jonathan Pearce seems to be on a mission to make himself seem more and more incompetent with each passing match.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 27/7/2012 12:00:28 PM

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Getting really excited now. My best friends little brothers first heats are tomorrow morning! Getting really nervous for him, but he's a bloody blinding wee swimmer so I know he's going to do well!

COME ON CRAIG BENSON!!

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 27/7/2012 4:32:44 PM

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Will keep a look out for Craig Benson Steff

This is some achievement: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/27/im-dong-hyun-london-olympics-record

World record gone in the preliminaries from a man who's registered blind!

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 27/7/2012 5:36:38 PM

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Here, does anyone know will the Beeb be covering all events with a lot of them red buttoned. A schedule of which channels are showing which events would be great but I can't seem to find one anywhere.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 27/7/2012 5:38:07 PM

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If David Tennant lights that bloody flame...

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 27/7/2012 8:46:36 PM

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Here, does anyone know will the Beeb be covering all events with a lot of them red buttoned. A schedule of which channels are showing which events would be great but I can't seem to find one anywhere.

As far as I'm aware, if you have a digital TV service, there are 24 extra BBC HD channels. I've got Virgin and they're after all the sports channels.

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 27/7/2012 9:09:22 PM

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I wonder how many people are watching Kenneth Branagh right now

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 27/7/2012 9:10:39 PM

boaby

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This is a very, very, very English Britain on show.

Oh, hud on, is that Evelyn Glennie?

edit: It is.

Was anyone expecting Martin Freeman in hobbit feet to come out of that hill?

Is that Isengard? Where's Christopher Lee in white robes when you need him?

< Message edited by boaby -- 27/7/2012 9:13:18 PM >

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RE: Olympic Games 2012. - 27/7/2012 9:15:32 PM

Skiba

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I have to say, I'm quite enjoying this so far!

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