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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 9:56:13 PM   
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The Gauntlet
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Anyone remember when Clint Eastwood actually directed good films instead of an endless parade of Oscar bait? In his early days, Eastwood was using his directorial career to examine his most famous screen personas. Play Misty for Me examined Clint as sex symbol, Josey Wales took on the western, The Gauntlet would deal with Dirty Harry. Eastwood is a million miles away from Callaghan here, playing the near burn-out cop, Ben Shockley. He's been assigned to transport a witness named Gus Mally (Sondra Locke) from Vegas to Phoenix . Mally is a prostitute set to give evidence against a powerful figure with Mafia ties. She tries to convince Shockley that they're both being set-up to be killed. Shockley starts to be convinced when their transport is bombed. Shockley and Malley find themselves pursued across America, with the police hot on their trail. Along the way there's a helicopter attack, a biker gang and an attempted gang rape, before the duo steal a bus and find themselves entering the titular gauntlet - the rows of police that the corrupt commissioner has enlisted to stop them getting to court. The Gauntlet is one of Eastwood's best films as a director, certainly far superior to anything he's made since Unforgiven. This is Clint as pissed-off cult icon. Just the way I like him. I just wish he still had this kind of intensity in his films.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 10:14:05 PM   
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Like The Gauntlet, loathe Locke (and the habit of male directors to include their useless totty in to ruin films), but it didn't make my list.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 10:35:13 PM   
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 To be fair to Locke, she was already a successful actress long before she met Eastwood. 

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 10:39:00 PM   
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A couple of films but still not very good.



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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 10:42:12 PM   
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 Oscar nominated for her first film. 

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 10:45:55 PM   
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But we're not suggesting that's the arbiter of good acting are we?



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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 10:47:20 PM   
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Bugger - I was actually going to say look at Mon'ique but am astonished to find it wasn't her first film. She's been crap in a quite a few.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 10:58:04 PM   
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 But I said she was successful before Clint, you were making it sound as if she only got roles because she was going out with him when the truth is she was already famous and acclaimed before they met. And anyway, you were defending the Oscars earlier. 


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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:00:56 PM   
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I can still lament the judgement of a director hiring a poor performer for a role. And the curious coincidence that probably circumvented a much needed audition process.

Fortunately Every/Any can survive even her limp singer thanks to various enjoyable other factors.  So does Outlaw. She's way too central to this, though, so I inevitably mark it down.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:01:56 PM   
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 I think Locke was good for Eastwood's career though

Great films Clint directed while they were together

High Plains Drifter
Breezy
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Gauntlet
Bird
White Hunter, Black Heart

Great films Clint's directed since they split

Unforgiven

Clint with Locke > Clint without Locke


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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:06:29 PM   
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And yet, your opinion on Eastwood's latter films aside, still a shoddy actress. And not much of a career, really?

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:09:22 PM   
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 To be honest, I liked Changeling a lot, but Gran Torino, Mystic River and Million Dollar Baby were just clear Oscar bait, which instantly loses a bit of cred from me (cough, The Kings Speech, cough)

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:10:01 PM   
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 She's decent until the late 70s, not amazing, but never awful. As for her later career, it all depends on what you believe about WB screwing her over.


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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:12:11 PM   
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I think Locke was good for Eastwood's career though

Great films Clint directed while they were together

High Plains Drifter
Breezy
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Gauntlet
Bird
White Hunter, Black Heart

Great films Clint's directed since they split

Unforgiven

Clint with Locke > Clint without Locke




I love this film.



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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:13:24 PM   
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Is this you making a defence that includes her role in Willard then?

I think I've seen 3 pre-Eastwood performances. I really don't think she deserved her Oscar nom.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:14:27 PM   
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 I think Josey Wales is his best film, but I like some of his more modern works. Changeling, for example. Not seen things like Gran Turino tho.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:17:46 PM   
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 No, I'm including her Eastwood performances. Never amazing but never awful.


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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:19:09 PM   
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I think Josey Wales is his best film, but I like some of his more modern works. Changeling, for example. Not seen things like Gran Turino tho.


There was a great film in 2008 about an immigrant, a car and a pissed off old man, but it wasn't Gran Torino. I think it was the dumbest film he was ever involved with.


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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 13/3/2011 11:50:55 PM   
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Well I was not even born in 1977 so I don't know how many I would have seen. Anyway a good mixture to start of with, SOO is on my list, I hear it is one of Verhoeven's finest films.

Look forward to the rest.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 1:55:08 AM   
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 So far, the only one I know I've seen is The Gauntlet. Great poster.


I may have, possibly, but I'm not sure, seen The Amazing Spiderman. I have the vaguest of memories.


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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 7:27:55 AM   
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The Gauntlet was on television last night, I reordered it, so I shall check it out this week.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 7:47:21 AM   
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But we're not suggesting that's the arbiter of good acting are we?


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most of the posters above seem to be taking it as read that on a level playing field the obvious winner was De Niro. As I don't think that I have no problem believing that of the voters as well.


You certainly seem to be.


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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 10:02:14 AM   
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No, I was saying that as I thought Finch was best why would I not believe others thought the same?

Unless the implication is that I'm the final arbiter of good acting? In which case, ya caught me. Otherwise, it's a cheap debate trick

It is a fab poster, isn't it Gimli? It's more like one of those awful fantasy films that were floating around the 80s - you wouldn't have much of a clue what it's about from that pic!

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 10:22:21 AM   
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 The poster was designed by Frank Frazetta, who was a big fantasy/comic artist.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 11:10:31 AM   
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No, I was saying that as I thought Finch was best why would I not believe others thought the same?

Unless the implication is that I'm the final arbiter of good acting?



Surely in these arguments one follows the other.


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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 11:20:31 AM   
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Only if there is an absolute truth. Just because I think they get it right sometimes hardly means I think they get it right all the time - so I wouldn't judge them as an absolute authority. I'd have thought the immediate post on Mon'qiue made that perfectly clear.



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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 11:24:52 AM   
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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 11:27:08 AM   
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'course, at least it doesn't have hands. Or tongue sucking out abilities.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 10:05:02 PM   
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Short Eyes (Young, 1977)  

Short Eyes is one of a couple of films I've only found thanks to Rawlinson's long list of 2000 a couple of years ago.   Like Stalag 17, Short Eyes is a prison story written by someone who'd experienced it. In this case Manuel Pinero actually wrote the play while still inside as part of a workshop. Covering a couple of days inside it tries to present the various parts of life inside – the characters and the hierarchies, the split racial groups, decent or corrupt officers, sexual issues and, very occasionally, humour. Split though the groups are, however, they all come together as a council and all share opinions on two things – the way to deal with a paedophile (the Short Eyes of the title apparently) and the desire for an attractive young latino who comes increasingly under threat from various quarters.   As a film, it really it doesn't even attempt to move beyond its theatrical staging – not simply the limited location, but the way in which people come forward for their moment in the sun and even the occasional musical interlude (at least one of which didn't look entirely different from the canteen jam in Fame!). But even with the stagey key speeches, there's some excellent writing here and some wonderful performances. Of particular note are Bruce Davison as Davis, a new inmate accused of raping a little girl and respected inmate Juan (Jose Perez), who tries to treat Davis decently but suffers for it as the accused chooses to use him as a confidant. And when the inevitable occurs, the audience are invited to empathise with Juan as, like him, we know the truth.   Some films from this period feel quite dated now. But with Short Eyes I'd bet anything that the writers of Oz are massive fans of the film – the rhythm of the language and the interactions between groups, the shifts in mood and the internal politics, all feel very familiar. And many of the scenarios and attitudes (and even location) look frighteningly unchanged decades later. One of the best prison films out there.

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RE: Rawlinson & Elab's top 50s of the year 1977 - 14/3/2011 10:07:31 PM   
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 Excellent choice. Far too low, imo, but really glad it made your list.

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