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Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 9/3/2011 12:20:54 PM   
Al Swearengen


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i've kind of neglected Martial Arts movies over the years, i'll watch one, love it and then not watch another for ages. Last nigth i watched Ong Bak 2:



I loved Ong Bak and The Warrior King but for some reason it's taken me a long time to getting to watch this. It probably had something to do with the negative reaction to the film, the initial hype of Jaa has definately slowed down and the overall reaction of this was very disappointing. Anyways, i decided to view it anyways, WOW!

This film was insane, i cannot believe the reaction it got. I've read things about a lack of action?!?? did these people watch the same movie? this thing brisked from fight to fight, each one getting crazier and crazier leading to a finale that has to be seen to be believed. This movie definately has some of the best choreographed fight scenes ive ever seen. Story-wise the film had a generic type of 'action-epic' feel with a little bit of Robin Hood chucked in but i thought the whole thing, added with the locations made it an exhilirating experience. I was seriously blown away.

Going to move onto Ong Bak 3 now and with higher expectations and hope for some more breathtaking action.

Anyways, i want to see more fights! i'm by no means an expert in terms of martial arts movies, but ive got a lovefilm rental list waiting to be filled. Name the best people!

*note, ive read that Ong Bak 2 has been cut for western audiences, my copy (r2 blu ray) ran at 94 mins, ive read there's a 2hr 3omin cut. Maybe that's where the lack of action stuff comes from? nothing wrong with the 94min cut though.
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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 9/3/2011 12:56:49 PM   
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Ong Bak 2 was really dissapointing compared with the first and Warrior King.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 9/3/2011 1:18:05 PM   
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really? i didn't think so at all.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 9/3/2011 1:22:37 PM   
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It went far too far down the "gritty" and "serious" routes, when the fantastical he-just-threw-an-elephant-out-a-window factor were the best thing about the other two films. I did feel that it lacked anything anywhere near as spectacular as OB or WK as well to be honest, I can't recall a single fight scene off the top of my head. I've no idea which cut I watched though, I'd check but I'm not at home.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 9/3/2011 1:39:56 PM   
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I think the fights to Ong Bak 2 were pretty brutal and good but I can't remember one of them, none of them has the lasting impact of any in the original or Warrior King. I think one of the reasons Ong Bak2 and 3 were not critcally well received is cos the story was complete rubbish, I mean the stories in Ong Bak and Warrior King weren't anything special, but you went along with it. With Ong Bak 2 and 3 I just found myself zoning out whenever there wasn't a fight scene.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 9/3/2011 1:57:23 PM   
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I  Tony Jaa.

I do a small about of Muay Thai in my combat classes but a million miles away from the skill he is but I would love to be able to do some the moves he does.  He's incredible to watch, the way he performs the moves are amazing.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 9/3/2011 2:26:36 PM   
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i had no problem with the story in Ong Bak 2. It's the kind of things that done in all them historical epic type flicks but i thought it was a solid 'origin' style story.

...and seriously? you can't remember the fight with 10,000 guys at the end? using the elephant as a weapon? that thing was spectacular.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 10/3/2011 2:04:26 AM   
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I lot of these movies with martial arts fights in them (if you can call them that are ridiculous) Most of it is wires, green screen or it's acrobatic, it's not martial arts. But as far as martial artists in movies nowadays Jet Li,Jackie Chan and Steven Seagal (even though he's gained a lot of weight, he's still a master in aikido) are at the top of my list. I wouldn't call Van Damme's movies fight wise that realistic either, it's more flexibility.Tony Jaa is good, but he doesn't compare to masters like Li, Chan, and Seagal and they are ALL masters. Actors can learn martial arts but martial artists like Jet Li, Jackie Chan and Steven Seagal ( I think Chuck Norris is retired from acting) they move different than non martial artists. Any movie with Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan or Steven Seagal would be my pick I just can't remember them all.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 10/3/2011 2:11:07 AM   
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yeh, i hear what your saying. But at the end of the day if i want to see martial arts performed realistically i'll go watch some mixed martial arts fighting (im a massive mma fan). Movie fights are different, i expect them to be unrealistic, that's half the fun.



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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 10/3/2011 3:29:24 PM   
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Too much Tony Jaa in this thread.

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Also Last Hurrah for Chivalry, a swordsplay movie but the fight scenes are mental.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 10/3/2011 3:50:44 PM   
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I'll second The Young Master and Fist of Legend.

As an unconventional one, I like the final scene of Dragon Lord, *SOME SPOILERS* with Jackie Chan and his mate getting their arses kicked for most of it, before making radical use of a big slide.

Knockabout with Yuen Biao and Sammo Hung has some great fight sequences in too.

Once Upon a Time in China I, II and perhaps even III are worth a mention.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 10/3/2011 8:10:57 PM   
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Ong Bak 2 was great. Part 3 is dissapointing though, and comments about a lack of action in that are very true. Tony Jaa is good, but watch Born to Fight and Chocolate too. Also see Ip Man, and the full cut of Fearless.

As for the classics, I will third The Young Master, and throw in The Prodigal Son, the first Drunken Master and The Magnificent Butcher. Dont expect much in the way of serious drama though


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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 11/3/2011 2:07:23 PM   
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The fights in Donnie Yen's Flashpoint are some of the most brutal I've seen...



Would also recommend;

Ip Man
Wheels on Meals
Police Story


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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 11/3/2011 6:25:04 PM   
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It's a bad film with cheesey stereotypes, but Michael Jai White displays his martial arts skills to full effect. Watch it for the fights, not the script.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 11/3/2011 6:36:49 PM   
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Another shout for Ip Man. Chocolate also has great fight scenes

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 11/3/2011 8:56:03 PM   
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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 12/3/2011 12:31:43 AM   
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And the No Retreat No Surrender comes back again.  C'mon Clowny tell us again about that blogger that gave many reasons why NRNS is the best.  Please, i've forgotten now.


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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 13/3/2011 1:49:57 PM   
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i loved that movie when i was younger. got a copy off ebay last year. corny as fuck but still good.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 16/3/2011 12:07:25 AM   
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No contest - IP MAN

also Killzone with Donnie Yen and Sammo Hung is a good MA film

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 17/3/2011 1:10:29 PM   
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Also have to agree with IP Man, not seen Donnie Yen in anything else but is really amazing to watch. Is IP Man 2 any good?

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 17/3/2011 1:50:00 PM   
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As others have already said, between Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen and Yuen Biao you've pretty much got decent martial arts covered.  Donnie's films are generally average, but contain some amazing martial arts, albeit heavy on the wirework.

For me Jackie's Police Story films contain some of the best fight sequences, even if the sequels themselves are severely lacking.  Police Story 2, for example, whilst arguably the weakest of the series, contains perhaps the single best fight sequence of Jackie's career (in the bar).

Tony Jaa is a fine martial artist to be sure, but (in my opinion I should stress at this point) he is as equally over rated as Bruce Lee and the films he's been in so far have generally been pretty poor.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 17/3/2011 4:26:03 PM   
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Others to check out depending on what you are after:

Jackie Chan (comedy over the top fights scences with amazing stunts):

Armour of God (the fight with the women with heels is amazing) click
First Strike (the fight with the step ladders is so much fun) click
Gorgeous ( the film is just crap but the one fight scence in its is the dogs balls) part1      part2
I could go on forever as he has made so many films and each one has i good fight and some amazing stunts in.

Bruce Lee (more serious, the films themselfs are all very much the same theme, stranger saves people from nasty people):

The Way of The Dragon ( fight at the end is brilliant with Chuck Norris)  click
Game of Death (fight with the tall black guy is very good) click

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 17/3/2011 5:06:43 PM   
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Tony Jaa is a fine martial artist to be sure, but (in my opinion I should stress at this point) he is as equally over rated as Bruce Lee and the films he's been in so far have generally been pretty poor.


Looking at how he exploded after Ong-Bak and the Warrior King, which both contain some absolutely stunning sequences, its pretty much no surprise that Jaa might have become quickly over-valued, and although he seems a bit off the rails, I'm sure he'll bounce back with some better materiel than the Bak sequels.

Re Bruce Lee, his influence and importance on and to Hong Kong cinema means his reputation is basically deserved, however rated he is. I actually still really like his movies, and the sheer phsicality of what he could achieve, but they can only really be watched as a starting point - which tragically he didn't get to explore further than he did. I'm not saying you're wrong to say he's overrated, perhaps he is, but there is a real joy in his films I think.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 17/3/2011 5:19:43 PM   
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Iron Monkey has some particularly epic moments.






Drags in parts (and has that appalling theme song) but the fight scenes in Once Upon a Time in China are incredibly put together.


I did like Ong Bak except for Jaa's insistence of replaying his own stunts; just a bit arrogant but some great sequences.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 18/3/2011 12:35:12 PM   
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picked up IP Man today, can't wait to watch that.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 18/3/2011 12:56:24 PM   
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Drags in parts (and has that appalling theme song) but the fight scenes in Once Upon a Time in China are incredibly put together.


Agreed.  And the cinematography is gorgeous.  The sequels are not all that, as per, of course.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 22/3/2011 10:22:34 AM   
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Enter the Dragon - I still marvel at the finalé with the mirrors. That's just incredible.

Ong Bak was awesome to watch but there was a little too much focus on close-ups of folk getting hit in the face and seeing the flesh wobble! Took me right out of the film. However those fights are amazing!

Still when all said and done I enjoy Jackie Chan's efforts more than any other as he's also entertaining. Operation Condor is still my favourite from the Armour of God series. Thing about Jackie is that as well as the big stunts he does little things that are just so cool too. The food fight in Drunken Master for example. Just a delight to watch.

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 4/4/2011 3:05:38 PM   
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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 6/7/2011 11:54:18 AM   
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For me, when we talk about cinema martial arts, Mr Chan is the daddy. He grew up in the China Drama Academy, a Peking Opera School, with Yuen Biao and Sammo Hung. Training for 10 years in unbelievably harsh conditions. Being made to repeat certain exercise over and over and over for hours on end til they got them right. Being punished severely when getting them wrong. No wonder they became and remain the very best of friends.

He managed, in his career, to mix both serious and comedic styles. Sometimes one type in one film, sometimes both together. Young Master and Drunken Master 1 and 2 are all-time classics, along with Snake in the Eagle's Claw (all bona fide shaolin-style masterpieces, my fave style of martial arts). Eat your heart out Sly, JCVD et all with your training montages. This guy may not have invented the idea, but he perfected it. Getting smacked with bamboo, shlepping buckets of water up steps, reverse push ups with your master sitting on your belly....smoking!!

My 4 more modern faves are Project A (with the Keaton homages), Police Story (the finale is perhaps my favourite and undoubtedly one of the most incredible scenes ever committed to cellulose), Wheels on Meals (with the fight at the end against Benny 'the jet' Urguidez being one of the greatest modern one-on-one scenes I can remember. I think I recall certain film and fighting magazines voting it number 1 on many occasions), and Armor Of God (as someone mentioned earlier, the fight against the 3 amazon warriors in the mountain, wow, I must have replayed parts of that so many times....how he didn't kill them in real life I'll never know).

He mixes comedy into these 4 films in a way few others could. And then he does something so audacious it takes your breath (and possibly nearly his life) away.
So, there you go. Jackie Chan films all the way. Apart from JC's modern stuff, there haven't been anywhere near as many good films in the last 15 years as there were from the Golden Hong Kong years. But that's just my opinion. Fight!!

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RE: Best Martial Arts Movies - Fight Wise - 6/7/2011 11:19:14 PM   
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I see it has been mentioned a few times already, but dammit: Ip Man was insanely good in parts.

Also:

-Enter the Dragon

-Fist of Legend

-Pretty much and Jackie Chan film after his early early ones



Ong Bak was excellent except for those bloody replays: did my head in.

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