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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 5/4/2012 8:30:41 AM   
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It essentially looks like Studio 60 but with news instead of comedy. So I'm in.


Me too.

Hopefully it will more than make up for the lack of Studio 60 as I really really enjoyed that show, despite its big main flaw - the sketches not bringing the funny.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 7/4/2012 7:56:17 AM   
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Interview with Sorkin in Vanity Fair can be found here.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 7/4/2012 10:23:52 AM   
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Anyone know when this starts and on what channel? Never watched Studio 60 or West Wing but thought Social Network was fantastic so would like to give this a go.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 7/4/2012 10:32:26 AM   
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Anyone know when this starts and on what channel? Never watched Studio 60 or West Wing but thought Social Network was fantastic so would like to give this a go.


Well it's on HBO, so there's a good chance it'll be on Sky Atlantic. It starts in the US in June.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 7/4/2012 10:56:44 AM   
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Anyone know when this starts and on what channel? Never watched Studio 60 or West Wing but thought Social Network was fantastic so would like to give this a go.


Well it's on HBO, so there's a good chance it'll be on Sky Atlantic. It starts in the US in June.


Yeah, will definitely be on Sky Atlantic - they have the rights to all new HBO shows. Would hazard a guess at a July/August debut.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 7/4/2012 5:43:33 PM   
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The title has a classic Sorkin esque simplicity, though I'm not entirely certain "MORE ON THIS STORY AS IT DEVELOPS" might not also have been a good option. Oh well. In either case I'm excited for this, as Sorkin and HBO have long seemed like a perfect fit (despite his best efforts to downplay that idea with that UN program allegorical plot-line on STUDIO 60), and while I'm not entirely sure about some of the cast on this one, I still have high hopes.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 9/4/2012 10:14:02 AM   
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Just watched the trailer and I thought it looks great, even if the beginning was pretty much a copy of the opening meltdown in Studio 60. I've always enjoyed Sorkin's stuff so this is on my must-watch list this summer. Plus, anything with Jeff Daniels in it has to be worth watching.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 1/5/2012 1:46:27 PM   
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New trailer: http://www.tv.com/news/the-newsrooms-new-trailer-is-more-like-what-we-were-expecting-video-28512/

Can't wait for this, looks fantastic

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 1/5/2012 2:30:20 PM   
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I really disliked that trailer actually. It's got a whiff of the same problems that Studio 60 had, with a lot of it coming off as too self-knowing and smug. Time will tell.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 1/5/2012 2:34:10 PM   
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Can't  wait really looking forward to this.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 1/5/2012 3:34:50 PM   
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Can't wait, this could be the show Studio 60 should have been. Behind the scenes of a sketch show never suited Sorkins style of writing. didn't help either that 30 Rock nailed the concept.

Is Sorkin in a steady relationship right now? 'cos way too much of Studio 60 was taken up with him picking over the remains of his relationship with Kirstin Chenoweth...

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 22/6/2012 11:32:22 PM   
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Just watched the pilot. Some scattered thoughts below:

It's the best of Sorkin, and the worst of Sorkin. It starts with the rant from the trailer, but is quite a bit longer and lacked a bit of energy for me.

The pilot - which runs to about 70 minutes - is slow to get going. But once the first broadcast begins, it becomes really engaging, and it's thrilling to see everyone pulling together.

Performances are universally strong - Daniels is an excellent lead, Mortimer is charming and Gallagher Jr is a particular standout from the rest of the cast. Olivia Munn is in the opening credits but doesn't feature in this opener.

Here's the big problem: Sorkin is too obsessed with lofty ideals, and he really needs to rein it in. The Newsroom is great fun when characters are bantering and going about their jobs, but becomes tedious when they start talking about 'reclaiming the fourth estate'. More of the former and HBO have a great show on their hands.

Speaking of HBO, there is very little to mark this as one of their shows, other than a few F-bombs. But they like to be in business with the best, so it makes sense for them to work with Sorkin.

Worryingly, the reviews I've read say the next three episodes get progressively worse, with Sorkin indulging some of his worst excesses. Hope those reviews are wrong, but I think what Sorkin needs more than anything is a strong presence to rein him in - he's missing someone like Tommy Schlamme on this show.

I'll watch more. Really, it would take a colossal drop in quality for me not to watch the whole season, but it hasn't instantly grabbed me. What should be a mix between The West Wing and Sports Night is, unfortunately, a mix between TWW and Studio 60.

Oh, and Sky Atlantic have announced they start airing it on July 10th.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 23/6/2012 10:44:32 PM   
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I seem to have liked it more than you did, BD, and I know much of how big a Sorkin fan you are.

If you've been away from Sorkin's work for a while you kinda have to retune your ear and do find yourself wondering - 'do people really talk like that?'

I agree that one of the weaknesses is the lofty ideals. Um, also, I did find it felt a little procedural ish (honestly, this is the last thing I expected to say) once the news started to break...as everything was a lead up to that, which it was, but in TWW, episodes felt more...naturalistic?

I liked the teaser, but less so the come down off the rant (the idealistic speech) just before smashing to titles - they were quite TWWesque, eh?

I thought it had solid momentum, was firey at times and pretty tight. Thought it did a pretty good job of launching the characters as well.

Hope the reviews are wrong...

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 26/6/2012 4:24:33 AM   
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The first thirty minutes or so of this was awful. Really bad.

From when they start the newscast, it just about worked. Then fell apart again the moment that was finished.

The problem with Sorkin is that he's become a pretty poor writer, relying too much on past glories and becoming overwhelmed by the same faults he's always had but have now magnified over time. The West Wing was at times overbearing in its maudlin sentimentality and nostalgia/fantasy but that was more than eclipsed by a great cast and crew. At times characters would be nothing more than mouthpieces for Sorkin reeling off statistics like he's reciting them from a newspaper but they still always felt like characters, each with their own voice to a large extent. That was lost somewhat in Studio 60 but the core duo of Perry and Cox as leads managed to make that much work while the ensemble cast floundered.

With The Newsroom, Sorkin hasn't even bothered to create distinct characters. They feel more like cardboard cut-outs whose sole, uniform function is to act as self-consciously eloquant mouthpieces for Sorkin's views and yet more of the statistical recitations that he loves so dearly. Perhaps this will change in time; The West Wing had many of the same problems in its first season.

I thought Daniels was poor. He's not convincing at all, in my opinion. The dialogue is far too self-conscious and, yes, stilted. It sounds unnatural and clumsy on a number of occasions. The speech in the opening scene is laughably bad. Sorkin relies far, far too heavily on this awful kind of sentimentality, this air-punching crap, the kind of stuff someone like Steven Spielberg can do and he, frankly, cannot (or cannot anymore, if I'm feeling generous). It's the worst kind of Hollywood schmaltz, that 'you had me at hello' mid-90s awfulness that feels out-of-date in every conceivable way. Since then we've had shows like The Sopranos, The Wire, Mad Men... things have moved on for the better.

Studio 60 proved that Sorkin can't do humour very well and that's again evident here. From the opening scene again, we have the audience laughing hard at jokes Daniels makes that aren't that funny. It's so smug and self-congratulatory and irritating. Most of the jokes fall flat throughout. It's all then punctuated by a weird score that seems to be trying to ape The West Wing's but just seems a bit at odds with the show's concept.

Much like Tarantino, Sorkin has become a worse writer over time and desperately needs someone to reign him in. The Social Network worked because Fincher has a strong, distinctive directorial voice that balanced Sorkin's overtly grandiose, often smug posturings as well as a cast who could work around some of his worst excesses. Same with Moneyball. In fact, Fincher probably would have been an ideal choice to direct this pilot.

Believe it or not, I was very much excited to see this and have liked a lot of Sorkin's previous material (even Studio 60!). Some of the problems I've pointed to above have usually only been minor niggles in his previous work. But now they've been given free reign and the results are... well, dull. And kind of embarrassing. I know writers like to write about Sorkin's writing and from the interviews I've read from him he seems to read them and believe every word which perhaps explains his descent into this kind of cheap, lazy schmaltz. Ironically, what happens to Daniels in the show is what needs to happen to Sorkin; he needs someone with an equally strong personality to come in and shake him out of his complacency.

This is not good enough for HBO.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 26/6/2012 4:37:48 AM   
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Ok, I had a few thoughts while watching the show.

1. 20th April 2010? Are you fucking kidding me?
2. Hey, that's Jesse Eisenberg on the phone.
3. Jesus, Thomas Newman, do you think you are scoring the 1990s?
4. Meh.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 26/6/2012 9:13:56 AM   
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I quite enjoyed it. The soundtrack was a little sappy at times and the run time was maybe just a tad long, but Sorkin's dialogue is still scintillating and the cast seems pretty solid. Not enough to start matching Studio 60, but there was enough to get me back for the next ep. Hoping it turns out to be a stonker, but only time will tell...

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 26/6/2012 5:34:54 PM   
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The best thing about this show is the MASSIVE ARGUMENT that's going on between some of the TV critics I follow on Twitter.

I did not like the show very much.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 26/6/2012 5:48:44 PM   
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I'm going to give it a few episodes, if not the entire season. I do still like Sorkin, I was just underwhelmed with his latest.

I liked Studio 60.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 26/6/2012 6:17:04 PM   
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I think, like most pilots, it has the seeds of being either brilliant or terrible. Pilots themselves can often be the worst episode of a television show; 30 Rock, True Blood, The Office, Parks & Recreation all had poor to terrible pilots. Even stuff like The Wire was only ok.

I really disliked this pilot though. I think it was badly written (sorry Sorkin fanboys!) and he's given in to his worst excesses. He's familiar with what people expect from him - his cameos in 30 Rock and Entourage show this - yet he's still doling out the same 'ol same 'ol. It's a great idea and I agree with the spirit of what he's saying and trying to do. I just don't think Sorkin seems able to deliver on this concept dramatically, going from the pilot. I mean, he can't even abide the 'show, don't tell' rule. Everyone's describing what happened, what they're going to do, and then talk about what they just did.

One of the wost HBO pilots I've ever seen. I'm genuinely perplexed as to how it got past the famously rigourous HBO process.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 27/6/2012 11:24:50 AM   
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Noticed a couple of familiar actors in the newsroom while rewatching this. Chris Chalk (Tom Walker in Homeland) and Adina Porter (Tara's mum in True Blood) are the supporting characters reading out some of the news alerts to the main cast. Decent actors, hope they're given bigger roles as the show continues.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 29/6/2012 5:19:28 PM   
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Don't think anyone's linked to this yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78RzZr3IwI

Pretty amusing.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 29/6/2012 9:55:55 PM   
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Don't think anyone's linked to this yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78RzZr3IwI

Pretty amusing.


I laughed when Tom Hanks said 'boo boo' around 1.50.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 29/6/2012 11:22:31 PM   
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Studio 60 proved that Sorkin can't do humour very well and that's again evident here. From the opening scene again, we have the audience laughing hard at jokes Daniels makes that aren't that funny. It's so smug and self-congratulatory and irritating. Most of the jokes fall flat throughout. It's all then punctuated by a weird score that seems to be trying to ape The West Wing's but just seems a bit at odds with the show's concept.


As someone who's currently watching Sports Night, I can confirm that he can do humour Very well.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 30/6/2012 6:36:33 PM   
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Well he must have lost his ability at humour at some point in the intervening twenty years then

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 30/6/2012 6:54:18 PM   
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Daniels is one of my favourite actors and the rest of the cast seem solid enough. Apart from The Socal Network and the first six episodes of the West Wing I have not seen much of Sorkin's work, but it does seem that his name attached to this kind of show demands attention. The contrast view points also make me want to watch it.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 1/7/2012 4:34:00 PM   
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I'm bemused at comments that say Sorkin can't do humour - are you serious?

His writing is among the most humourous and witty in the business (see The American President, A Few Good Men and the first four seasons of the West Wing)

Sure Studio 60's sketches may have not been hilarious, but sketch comedy and situational comedy are two very different things.

As for The Newsroom - really enjoyed it. Sure it has problems, but they are the problems that can be found in most pilots. And I love Jeff Daniel's performance especially his opening speech.

And Thomas Newman already has my vote for best theme of the year. Too 90s? Really?!

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 1/7/2012 7:17:34 PM   
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And Thomas Newman already has my vote for best theme of the year. Too 90s? Really?!


I didn't say the theme was too 90s, I said the score was too 90s, although mostly at the end (my opinions on the show were in order from when the show started to lose me ). The theme sounds like the theme to the West Wing but it is pleasant enough. Like I said earlier, I love Sorkin and I'll give the show another chance. Then probably another.


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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 1/7/2012 9:08:16 PM   
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I'm bemused at comments that say Sorkin can't do humour - are you serious?

His writing is among the most humourous and witty in the business (see The American President, A Few Good Men and the first four seasons of the West Wing)



I think it depends on the cast; The West Wing in particular, the cast had an ability to make a lot of the humour land better than in many other Sorkin works where it often falls flat or comes across as smug. Almost every single attempt at humour fell on its arse in The Newsroom ("is he old enough to drive at night?" What exactly does that mean!?). It comes across as Sorkin doing an impression of what people expect from Sorkin. And it just comes across as dated and dull.

Maybe it's a taste thing but someone like Iannucci is who I think of when it comes to snappy, smart and witty dialogue.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 2/7/2012 7:31:37 PM   
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I'm bemused at comments that say Sorkin can't do humour - are you serious?

His writing is among the most humourous and witty in the business (see The American President, A Few Good Men and the first four seasons of the West Wing)Sure Studio 60's sketches may have not been hilarious, but sketch comedy and situational comedy are two very different things.

As for The Newsroom - really enjoyed it. Sure it has problems, but they are the problems that can be found in most pilots. And I love Jeff Daniel's performance especially his opening speech.

And Thomas Newman already has my vote for best theme of the year. Too 90s? Really?!


Well then I have seen more of his work than I thought. I wasn't a big fan of either of those films, althrough out of the two I would say the script for AFGM was sharper. So far I am liking the West Wing, but am only eleven episodes in so it is still too early fully judge it. The cast are mostly fantastic, but Sorkin still deserves a lot of credit for the writing of the characters and the unique lanaguage which is almost unlike any other.

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RE: The Newsroom - HBO/Sorkin - 3/7/2012 10:51:39 AM   
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Really liked the first 2 episodes, don't understand all the negativity I've seen around the internet.

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