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DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 10:24:34 AM

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Is it me or are more and more Blu-Rays coming with features unavailable on DVD (e.g. commentaries)?

I was browsing the net and found there's a Stone commentary on the Wall Street 2 Blu-Ray but no mention of it on the DVD.

I do intend to get a Blu-Ray player one day but I don't like feeling I'm forced into it.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 10:57:54 AM

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I'd think a lot of 'late adopters' will probably end up skipping Blu Ray to better technology anyway because it hasn't succeeded well enough or quickly enough as the accepted new format. Maybe the equivalent of laserdisc. But when it comes to extras isn't it just a little like trying to get people to double dip with different extras? If you're not fussed by extras you're not affected. And they don't have the market to phase out DVDs because - based on the Screen International stats that I saw a graph of last month certainly - Blu Ray just hasn't taken a sufficient share of the market to lose DVD.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 11:00:43 AM

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I've recently bought Inception and Scott Pilgrim on DVD, and I think they're the first 2 discers of new releases I've had in about a year. They're a rare beast these days! I have spent many an hour (well, not quite. Minutes maybe) staring at the back of cases in stores and seeing what extras aren't available to me.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 11:03:55 AM

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See how life is so much easier when you just buy a film?

Although I've just been sent the Inception Blu Ray thingy briefcase thing for a birthday so I'm assuming that has extras of some sort. And hopefully a DVD included!

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 1:11:42 PM

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I'd think a lot of 'late adopters' will probably end up skipping Blu Ray to better technology anyway because it hasn't succeeded well enough or quickly enough as the accepted new format. Maybe the equivalent of laserdisc. But when it comes to extras isn't it just a little like trying to get people to double dip with different extras? If you're not fussed by extras you're not affected. And they don't have the market to phase out DVDs because - based on the Screen International stats that I saw a graph of last month certainly - Blu Ray just hasn't taken a sufficient share of the market to lose DVD.

The better technology will be a long time coming as it takes ages to build a standard which everyone gets behind. I wouldn't be surprised if Blu-ray is around until after digital distribution becomes a viable solution for high quality HD material; which is a long way away yet.

As for DVD's decline in the extras department, 2 disc special editions were outsold by a considerable margin by their single disc siblings when they were available. They were catering primarily for the enthusiast crowd. Now the enthusiast crowd has moved to Blu-ray, and as the discs are at a price point comparable to the old multi disc editions (a few pounds more than the film only version) the DVD special editions have been squeezed out of the market.

It sucks for those who haven't made the move but it was always likely it would happen as Blu-ray grew as a format.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 2:10:45 PM

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I'm quite interested in hearing why those of you who have yet to do so haven't invested in Blu-ray yet. This isn't meant to sound snotty, so please don't take it that way, but finances aside I don't think that there is a legitimate argument out there for not doing so.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 2:24:21 PM

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I'm not really sure what context the word 'legitimate' really has here. If people have their opinion they have their opinion - there's no objective legitimacy involved.

I have no interest in changing the format I currently use. I still see it as nothing more than a 'DVDs got us lots of money but that changeover from VHS has plateaued a bit so lets change the format and, when that reaches tipping point, change it again and again and again'. I can watch films perfectly happily on DVD and will continue to purchase that format. DPP's stats on so-called 'vanilla' releases are quite interesting though - it seems I'm far from the only one who is simply not bothered by extras (unless it's a substantive addition - I've changed Criterions or to Criterion because, eg, they've included an entirely separate film in the extras. That's worth a change for me. Very little else is. It was very sweet to be given the Inception thingy eg, but I'd have been just as content with a single disc DVD).

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 3:25:30 PM

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I'm not really sure what context the word 'legitimate' really has here. If people have their opinion they have their opinion - there's no objective legitimacy involved.

I have no interest in changing the format I currently use. I still see it as nothing more than a 'DVDs got us lots of money but that changeover from VHS has plateaued a bit so lets change the format and, when that reaches tipping point, change it again and again and again'. I can watch films perfectly happily on DVD and will continue to purchase that format. DPP's stats on so-called 'vanilla' releases are quite interesting though - it seems I'm far from the only one who is simply not bothered by extras (unless it's a substantive addition - I've changed Criterions or to Criterion because, eg, they've included an entirely separate film in the extras. That's worth a change for me. Very little else is. It was very sweet to be given the Inception thingy eg, but I'd have been just as content with a single disc DVD).

Legitimate in the sense that all complaints towards Blu-ray as a format are moot. It's technically superior, there is no question about that. Using something like presumptions that its not going to be adopted by the masses as reasoning against the format, or citing some bizarre conspiracy theory regarding studios attempting to suck money out of customers is not a legitimate argument. Fair enough, Blu-ray might not interest you but that doesn't mean that your stance against it holds any water.

Anyway since when can't opinions can be wrong? Or "illegitimate"? What if they're the opinion of someone without a proper understanding of the format (see the which? article last week), or someone who is simply being contrary for contraries sake?

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 3:28:54 PM

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For the record, I appreciate that some might not want to upgrade to Blu-ray, but its the snobby attitude to those of us that have that I object to. Blu-ray hasn't been forced on to me, the appeal of seeing some of my favourite films in the finest manner possible sold the format to me.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 3:36:21 PM

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As a recent convert (like, today) I'm going to have to say that the increase in quality between DVD and BD is notable. Especially if you have a larger TV.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 3:37:41 PM

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Oh, and the laserdisc comparison is completely pointless. Across its lifetime only 2% of households in the USA had laserdisc players, compared to the 17% (and rising) that have Blu-ray players.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 3:42:26 PM

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It's obvious that the BD take up has been slower. When DVD came out, I bought one of the first affordable players (Philips, and it cost �199) and got new releases as they came out. But DVD never had a Betamax/VHS or BD/HDDVD war to slow it down. Also the "you also need an HD tv" factor slowed things down again. As all new TVs are HD (most of which seem to be 1080p too, something I have consider when buying led tv) that makes the switch easier. BD players are on a par with DVD players from a few years ago, price-wise, and the price of BDs themselves are plummetting. I won't be double-dipping just yet, except for favourite films, and I'll be keeping my DVDs - something I couldn't do with my VHS tapes.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 3:54:57 PM

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It's obvious that the BD take up has been slower. When DVD came out, I bought one of the first affordable players (Philips, and it cost �199) and got new releases as they came out. But DVD never had a Betamax/VHS or BD/HDDVD war to slow it down. Also the "you also need an HD tv" factor slowed things down again. As all new TVs are HD (most of which seem to be 1080p too, something I have consider when buying led tv) that makes the switch easier. BD players are on a par with DVD players from a few years ago, price-wise, and the price of BDs themselves are plummetting. I won't be double-dipping just yet, except for favourite films, and I'll be keeping my DVDs - something I couldn't do with my VHS tapes.

Is it really though? DVD didn't really start to take off in the mainstream until 2001, four years after it's launch.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 4:26:33 PM

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Really? Damn, I was ahead of the game then - I got a DVD player in 1999. Go me.

Well, a DVD-ROM on a PC, anyway.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 9:34:13 PM

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I'm quite interested in hearing why those of you who have yet to do so haven't invested in Blu-ray yet. This isn't meant to sound snotty, so please don't take it that way, but finances aside I don't think that there is a legitimate argument out there for not doing so.

To be honest - finances are the main reason. To be fair, my spending on any format has slowed down massively in the last few years (being a student), but I still probably buy more than my fair share of DVDs. The main reason I can't really be bothered with Blu-Ray is that I've just become too used to the price of DVDs. I have to admit I've never seen HD as a massive upgrade - nice if you have it but I can't honestly say that whilst watching a DVD I' ever longing for better picture quality - and I often wonder if I can really tell the difference unless I put the two together. An example of a recent purchase is Scott Pilgrim - I spent �10 on the DVD and the equivalent Blu-Ray would have been a fair bit more.

I also think that the back catalogue on DVD has got so cheap it's difficult for me to justify bothering too much with Blu-Rays. The fact that you can buy most films now for between �3-5 has completely changed the idea of owning a film for home viewing - I don't need to watch it more than once or twice to get any value out of it. Again, I've become far too used to viewing DVDs as a small spend for a film I want to see to change my habits to Blu-Ray. I've also been buying a bit of TV recently - it's amazing that I can now own the entire Sopranos for less than �50. It seems a long time off that Blu-Ray will come close to this and it's not something I'm particualarly worried about waiting for.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 31/12/2010 11:57:29 PM

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I'm quite interested in hearing why those of you who have yet to do so haven't invested in Blu-ray yet. This isn't meant to sound snotty, so please don't take it that way, but finances aside I don't think that there is a legitimate argument out there for not doing so.

Finances, plus the fact that depending on my mood or other factors, I may watch in the bedroom, the main room or at my PC. I don't fancy shelling out for 2 blu Ray players, 2 HD TVs and a PC that will play them as well.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 12:48:26 AM

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Doesn't it all come down to cost at the end of the day though? I mean initially, if you really wanted to upgrade, you had to pay a hefty premium to do so, nowadays you can pick up Blu's for as little as a fiver. That was the big put off for me initially, although i've since shrugged of my hang ups, & have started to spend with gay abandon. I've still got my foot in both camps though, so whilst i acknowledge that there's been significant improvements made with the technology, i'm still perfectly happy to sit & watch an old dvd. As for them being phased out, are you kidding me? How long will it take before every title's been replicated on Blu?

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 12:49:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: adambatman82

I'm quite interested in hearing why those of you who have yet to do so haven't invested in Blu-ray yet. This isn't meant to sound snotty, so please don't take it that way, but finances aside I don't think that there is a legitimate argument out there for not doing so.

Finances, plus the fact that depending on my mood or other factors, I may watch in the bedroom, the main room or at my PC. I don't fancy shelling out for 2 blu Ray players, 2 HD TVs and a PC that will play them as well.

You don't need a HDTV to play a Blu-Ray. (nm)

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 2:04:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: Gimli The Dwarf

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ORIGINAL: adambatman82

I'm quite interested in hearing why those of you who have yet to do so haven't invested in Blu-ray yet. This isn't meant to sound snotty, so please don't take it that way, but finances aside I don't think that there is a legitimate argument out there for not doing so.

Finances, plus the fact that depending on my mood or other factors, I may watch in the bedroom, the main room or at my PC. I don't fancy shelling out for 2 blu Ray players, 2 HD TVs and a PC that will play them as well.

This is where the triple play option alluded to in the other thread about home entertainment is going. You get a Blu ray to play in your main HD set up, a DVD to play on other set ups around the house and a digital copy to put on your portable equipment. Win,win situation.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 2:31:42 AM

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Doesn't it all come down to cost at the end of the day though?�I mean initially, if you really wanted to upgrade, you had to pay a hefty premium to do so, nowadays you can pick up Blu's for as little as a fiver. That was the big put off for me initially, although i've since shrugged of my hang ups, & have started to spend with gay abandon. I've still got my foot in both camps though, so whilst i acknowledge that there's been significant improvements made with the technology, i'm still perfectly happy to sit & watch an old dvd.�As for them being phased out, are you kidding me? How long will it�take before every title's been replicated on Blu?

I'm the same. I picked up three films on DVD today, and my existing collection is going nowhere.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 2:32:47 AM

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I also think that the back catalogue on DVD has got so cheap it's difficult for me to justify bothering too much with Blu-Rays. The fact that you can buy most films now for between �3-5 has completely changed the idea of owning a film for home viewing - I don't need to watch it more than once or twice to get any value out of it. Again, I've become far too used to viewing DVDs as a small spend for a film I want to see to change my habits to Blu-Ray. I've also been buying a bit of TV recently - it's amazing that I can now own the entire Sopranos for less than �50. It seems a long time off that Blu-Ray will come close to this and it's not something I'm particualarly worried about waiting for.

But owning Blu-ray wouldn't stop you from taking advantage of cheap DVD prices, I know that it hasn't stopped me.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 2:43:04 AM

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This is where the triple play option alluded to in the other thread about home entertainment is going. You get a Blu ray to play in your main HD set up, a DVD to play on other set ups around the house and a digital copy to put on your portable equipment. Win,win situation.

But wouldn't it only be the Blu Ray that has the features and stuff?

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You don't need a HDTV to play a Blu-Ray. (nm)

Ah, I didn't know that

But then I'd be using the format for features only and as much as I like to get DVDs with features aplenty, I rarely watch them. I just like to know they're there in case I ever do want them.

But you're talking to someone who still tapes to VHS on a daily basis, so I'm way behind the times

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 9:18:10 AM

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I also think that the back catalogue on DVD has got so cheap it's difficult for me to justify bothering too much with Blu-Rays. The fact that you can buy most films now for between �3-5 has completely changed the idea of owning a film for home viewing - I don't need to watch it more than once or twice to get any value out of it. Again, I've become far too used to viewing DVDs as a small spend for a film I want to see to change my habits to Blu-Ray. I've also been buying a bit of TV recently - it's amazing that I can now own the entire Sopranos for less than �50. It seems a long time off that Blu-Ray will come close to this and it's not something I'm particualarly worried about waiting for.

But owning Blu-ray wouldn't stop you from taking advantage of cheap DVD prices, I know that it hasn't stopped me.

Same here. I buy and rent blu-rays - mainly new titles and old re-mastered favourites - but I still snap up normal DVD bargains when I see them.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 11:58:24 AM

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But you're talking to someone who still tapes to VHS on a daily basis, so I'm way behind the times

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 2:55:59 PM

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It's obvious that the BD take up has been slower. When DVD came out, I bought one of the first affordable players (Philips, and it cost �199) and got new releases as they came out. But DVD never had a Betamax/VHS or BD/HDDVD war to slow it down. Also the "you also need an HD tv" factor slowed things down again. As all new TVs are HD (most of which seem to be 1080p too, something I have consider when buying led tv) that makes the switch easier. BD players are on a par with DVD players from a few years ago, price-wise, and the price of BDs themselves are plummetting. I won't be double-dipping just yet, except for favourite films, and I'll be keeping my DVDs - something I couldn't do with my VHS tapes.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 6:02:06 PM

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I'm quite interested in hearing why those of you who have yet to do so haven't invested in Blu-ray yet. This isn't meant to sound snotty, so please don't take it that way, but finances aside I don't think that there is a legitimate argument out there for not doing so.

Speaking personally for myself, I am not in the slightest bit bothered about Blu Ray. For one thing, I only have a 26 inch TV which is still only a few years old and I have no interest in purchasing a brand new 40 inch screen (or bigger) just to take advantage of the superior picture quality that Blu Ray offers (as well as a decent Home Cinema surround sound speaker set up to take advantage of the superior sound quality) as I do not have the space in my house for it let alone the finances!! Plus, I only really use the TV to watch a DVD if I have guests over. Most of the time, I actually watch all my DVD's on my laptop and am more than happy with the picture quality!Also, in my honest opinion, Blu Ray doesn't really add as much incentive to upgrade than DVD did over VHS. Sure, so the picture and sound quality may be better on Blu-Ray but as I've mentioned above, only if you have the proper equipment. I'm sure for many people with a basic set up, DVD picture quality is still very good. And when it comes to the special features? Well, when I first got into buying DVD's, it was all about the special features etc but now, if I'm being honest, I'm not all that bothered if Blu Ray's seem to have all the exclusive value added material, as the more of those there are, the more time you have to put aside to watch them! Plus, Making of's tend to get pretty boring and repetitive a lot of the time especially with modern recent films like Avatar where a lot of it was CGI and done with computers.
I think it's a great shame that companies are making more and more new DVD releases inferior to their Blu Ray counterparts and therefore trying to force people to move to Blu Ray, especially when people have been loyal to DVD over the years and are now expected just to forget them and 'move on' to the next best thing especially if that next best thing wasn't really that necessary in the first place. I'm not completely dissing Blu Ray though. If you're a serious film buff and want to see all you favorite new and classic films in the best possible quality and have all the proper technology to do so then I'm sure Blu Ray is great.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 6:52:06 PM

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You don't need a 40" TV to see the diference. I can tell the difference on my 19" HDTV. Obviously the bigger the screen you have the more impressive it will be, but to say you need a big TV to take advantage of Blu-Ray is a myth/lie.

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Also, in my honest opinion, Blu Ray doesn't really add as much incentive to upgrade than DVD did over VHS.

Surely the upgrade to Blu-Ray is a lot easier, more convient and less costly than the crossover from VHS to DVD as a Blu-Ray player allows you to watch your DVD collection on it.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 9:13:16 PM

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But wouldn't it only be the Blu Ray that has the features and stuff?

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You don't need a HDTV to play a Blu-Ray. (nm)

Ah, I didn't know that

Wait what? How does this work??

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 9:15:28 PM

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But wouldn't it only be the Blu Ray that has the features and stuff?

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You don't need a HDTV to play a Blu-Ray. (nm)

Ah, I didn't know that

Wait what? How does this work??

Technically it's true. A Blu-ray player has the ability to connect via scart or composite. You just dont actually get the HD image, thereby making it ultimately pointless.

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RE: DVD phase out? - 1/1/2011 9:20:18 PM

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Fair enough, I've been playing them on PS3 for about a year, and have never used other connections than HDMI since the HD set we got is from before that.

As for the phase out - it does seem like special features are being shifted across from DVD. I'm still annoyed at the sound differences, but dont have the funds to upgrade our speaker set which works perfectly for everything else.

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