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Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME - Discussion Thread - 4/11/2010 6:41:42 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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After the relative successes of the British List, the Asian List, and the Director's List, I thought I'd tackle a genre-specific list, my personal favourite: Science Fiction.

While it is hard to say what SciFi is within a strict definition, it is easy to say what it is not. Vladimir Nabokov argued that if we were rigorous with our definitions, Shakespeare's play The Tempest would have to be termed science fiction - which goes some way to explaining why it is my joint favourite of his plays (along with King Lear).

Robert Heinlein gives the definition as, "realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method". What SciFi is not is Fantasy. Rod Serling's definition of SciFi clarifies this duality: "Fantasy is the impossible made probable. Science Fiction is the improbable made possible".

Speculation aside, if you think it's SciFi, it probably is. Swords and wizards and orcs are Fantasy: blasters and lasers and aliens are SciFi.

Ideally I'd love lists of 100: realistically, 50. I'm also being realistic and keeping this going until February 1st. That gives plenty of time to explore strange new films, to seek out new films and directors, to boldly go where, well, quite a lot of people have gone before.

Please send lists to empirescifi100@gmail.com

If anyone would like to lend a hand as a counter, send me a PM!

Some useful lists

IMDB's slightly recent-film-skewed list

The Guardian's Top 10

IGN's Top 25

Wikipedia's List of SciFi Films (no preferential ordering)

Time Out's 50 Essential SciFi Films



List Participants:
Angelus
BlueBalls
bobatim
borstal
Deviation
elab49 (I assume haha)
Gimli The Dwarf
homersimpson_esq
impqueen
kargon
matty_b
Olaf
Pigeon Army
Professor Moriarty
rawlinson
RGirvan44
Rhubarb
Rinc
swordsandsandals
tftrman
TRM
Ultimo Lee


Disallowed Films:
Children of Men (teehee)

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 6:46:04 PM   
Rhubarb


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Sounds good, although it does raise a load of questions - I have terrible trouble with genre. Sorting my DVD collection into genre order was nightmarish. So i'd allow free reign and just let people do what they feel fits.

Also, hope yoru doing horror after, or action or whatever.

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 6:51:56 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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I think when it comes down to it, individual films should hopefully be clear enough - most films can be categorised with two genres. So, Alien is a SciFi-Horror, while Aliens is a ScFi-War. Both are fine for this poll, because they're SciFi. I aim to be pretty free and loose with definitions. So long as people don't get Fantasy and SciFi confused.


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 6:52:58 PM   
swordsandsandals


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I'm there like a bear in swim wear.

Here's my list so far:

1. Children of Men

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 6:55:07 PM   
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You know, I was not only going to ask to submit a list but volunteer to be a counter.

You can all sod off now, though

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 6:58:10 PM   
swordsandsandals


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Dangit, my second choice was going to be Cars.

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 6:58:47 PM   
Rhubarb


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quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

I think when it comes down to it, individual films should hopefully be clear enough - most films can be categorised with two genres. So, Alien is a SciFi-Horror, while Aliens is a ScFi-War. Both are fine for this poll, because they're SciFi. I aim to be pretty free and loose with definitions. So long as people don't get Fantasy and SciFi confused.



What about Star Wars? Sure it has guns and lazerswords, but is it really a Science-Fiction? I would say its a fairy tale dressed as a Science Fiction. It'll probably still be in my list though.


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 7:01:30 PM   
swordsandsandals


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Wait, Homer is counting? I think the votes may be skewed somewhat.

Make sure there is nothing that is, how shall we say this, attributable to human error

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 7:02:40 PM   
Deviation


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Can I vote for The Fountain, Pi, Stalker and Fight Club count?


Tehehehehehehe....let the cluster-fuck begin.


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 7:07:07 PM   
elab49


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Why on earth would FIght Club count?

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 7:08:43 PM   
Rhubarb


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Feb 1st is ages. I'll forget by then. - You don't want everyone to have forgotten/stopped caring because you're taking too long

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 7:13:05 PM   
Rgirvan44


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If you are unsure....ask me as I seme to be the resident sci-fi dork IE I watch any old crap with spaceships.

Also - count me in. Never actully put a list together for 100. Should be fun.

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 7:22:21 PM   
Deviation


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Why on earth would FIght Club count?


God knows, but I needed to put something there.


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 7:26:59 PM   
Rinc


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I'm in.

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Feb 1st is ages. I'll forget by then. - You don't want everyone to have forgotten/stopped caring because you're taking too long


I put money on the results from this poll being up before those for the Best Actors, Best Directors and Visually Amazing/Impressive Films.

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 7:43:06 PM   
Rgirvan44


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Miles better not vote for Moonraker, thats all I am saying. 

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 7:56:35 PM   
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The Truman Show?

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 8:06:34 PM   
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The Truman Show?


That counts


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 4/11/2010 8:09:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Miles better not vote for Moonraker, thats all I am saying.

Thanks for the reminder.

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 12:20:40 AM   
Gimli The Dwarf


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Do Ex-Nasa Techno Trousers count as sci-fi?


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 12:29:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rhubarb


quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

I think when it comes down to it, individual films should hopefully be clear enough - most films can be categorised with two genres. So, Alien is a SciFi-Horror, while Aliens is a ScFi-War. Both are fine for this poll, because they're SciFi. I aim to be pretty free and loose with definitions. So long as people don't get Fantasy and SciFi confused.



What about Star Wars? Sure it has guns and lazerswords, but is it really a Science-Fiction? I would say its a fairy tale dressed as a Science Fiction. It'll probably still be in my list though.



I've already told him it's a western.

I'm in for a list, btw. If you're not starting counting until Feb then I can lend a hand with the counting if needed.

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 12:44:21 AM   
Deviation


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We've banned Avatar becuase it's fantasy right? RIGHT?!

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 12:52:29 AM   
homersimpson_esq


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No, we've banned Avatar because it's a bit pants. 

I know I gave it 4 stars on release... It looked pretty.

Yes Star Wars counts, you pedantic person you.

The Fountain - yes
Pi - uhhh
Stalker - yes
Fight Club - why?!


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 12:55:40 AM   
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Everyone needs to watch Wild Zero before voting - aliens, zombies and a Japanese punk band. There's even a drinking game. 

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 12:55:53 AM   
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Another fucking list? Hell yes. I'm in.

Does The Deer Hunter count as sci-fi?


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 12:57:29 AM   
homersimpson_esq


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quote:

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Everyone needs to watch Wild Zero before voting - aliens, zombies and a Japanese punk band. There's even a drinking game. 


You had me at aliens, zombies and a Japanese punk band.

And PA, why in the blue fuck would Deer Hunter count?!


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 12:58:41 AM   
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Would stuff like Frankenstein and The Invisible Man be allowed?

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 1:00:41 AM   
homersimpson_esq


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Absolutely! They kinda epitomise what SciFi is about.

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 1:07:22 AM   
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And PA, why in the blue fuck would Deer Hunter count?!



Is that a yes?

(On a more serious note - The Man Who Wasn't There?)


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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 1:07:32 AM   
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Is Matango, Fungus of Terror ok?

Also, the Fleischer Superman cartoons?

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RE: Top SciFi Films of ALL TIME Poll - 5/11/2010 1:09:19 AM   
homersimpson_esq


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Will you guys stop trying to find this list's Children of Men? Matango looks ok, although I've not heard of it - a cursory look on imdb seems to be ok.

The Deer Hunter? No! How is that SciFi?!


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