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Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - Dead... - 5/10/2010 11:28:10 PM   
TRM


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So after looking through the Online Films Critic's Society 100 Best First Films list, there was quite a few questions being asked about the sanity of some of the voters and their picks, so why dont we see if we can come up with a better list. As I was discussing with Rawlinson in the other thread, the one sticking point for me is short films, so I was thinking that maybe if we have 2 polls running alongside each other, just so that everyone has the choice to vote for the shorts if they want. So how about we say:


- Submit an ordered list of 50 directing debut features (45mins+) - This can be a list of 25 instead.
- You can also submit an ordered list of 25 directing debut shorts (44mins or less)
- Deadline - End of November
- Send votes to - directordebut@hotmail.co.uk
- The debut film is based on release date and not which film was made first. For example, Keaton's first directed release was One Week, however he did make The High Sign before this, but didnt release it for another year, so One Week is the eligible film.
- For directors where their first film(s) is lost, or impossible to see, we are going to be using their first available film.
- Films made for tv should be included.

Feel free to add links to any films in here, or discuss any possible entries.

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 12:17:09 AM   
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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:37:41 AM   
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More lists! Awesome!!!!

I already have my top picks for both lists, just need to figure out the rest

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:39:41 AM   
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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:43:30 AM   
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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:44:28 AM   
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A Grand Day Out and Curse of theWerewolf?

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:47:09 AM   
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A Grand Day Out, yes

Were-Rabbit, wouldn't it be Chicken Run?

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:50:13 AM   
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Everyone vote Night of the Hunter because

a. It's awesome

b. It'll piss off Miles.

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:54:56 AM   
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You could call Chicken Run Steve Lord, and Werewolf Nick Park?

Night of the Hunter is a definite for my list.

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:55:44 AM   
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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:58:01 AM   
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You could call Chicken Run Steve Lord, and Werewolf Nick Park?


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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 1:59:35 AM   
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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 2:00:39 AM   
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You could call Chicken Run Steve Lord, and Werewolf Nick Park?


Shenanigans!



Tactics. I like it

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 2:01:56 AM   
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quote:

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You could call Chicken Run Steve Lord, and Werewolf Nick Park?


Shenanigans!



Tactics. I like it


SHENANIGANS!!!

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 4:09:25 AM   
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Everyone vote Night of the Hunter because

a. It's awesome

b. It'll piss off Miles.



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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 8:09:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gimli The Dwarf

A Grand Day Out, yes

Were-Rabbit, wouldn't it be Chicken Run?


Just to clear this one up nice and early, wouldnt Nick Park's first short be Creature Comforts? I dont have a problem with both Chicken Run (although that would be Nick Park's debut as well) and Curse of the were rabbit (because Steve Box shares the directing credit on that one).

I was going to be classing a joint directing credit as the debut, so for Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Marc Caro it would be Delicatessen as their only eligible entry, rather than Alien Resurrection (Jeunet on his own), Dante 01 (Caro on his own) and Delicatessen (their joint first film) all being eligible.


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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 8:10:42 AM   
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Woo hoo! You need help counting then let me know. 


Cheers. Ill see how popular the poll is near the end and then give you a shout


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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 8:44:20 AM   
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Whenever you see a filmography for Nick Park it gives Creature Comforts first but I think A Grand Day Out had its first TV outing in the summer of 1989, with Comforts appearing at Christmas of that year. But even if that wasn't the case, A Grand Day Out started out back in 1982, and I'm sure some law somewhere would mean that came first

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 8:57:52 AM   
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There's that one film by Terence Malick

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 10:04:19 AM   
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Fran Walsh, Barrie Osbourne, Andy Serkis and numerous others all directed little bits of LOTR. Can I include them?

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 10:11:40 AM   
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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 10:13:43 AM   
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If it's any help I was under the same impression as Gimli in terms of Creature Comforts vs A Grand Day Out.

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 11:02:38 AM   
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Well I'm in, though it'll be nearer the deadline date before I can get a list sorted as I have an exam this month.

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 11:04:14 AM   
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There should be a best 'director's final film' list as well, just to annoy Miles.

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 12:30:58 PM   
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I'm in, as always. I hope everyone's voting for Alien 3 - I hear it inspires much fanaticism among people because it's a certain director's first film.

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 2:17:22 PM   
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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 2:45:31 PM   
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I'm in, as always. I hope everyone's voting for Alien 3 - I hear it inspires much fanaticism among people because it's a certain director's first film.


Do you think people would have bothered reassessing it if Fincher hadn't become what he has become?

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 3:44:27 PM   
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No. Well not as soon, anyway.

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 4:55:43 PM   
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It is a tricky one because a lot of people claiming it as a masterpiece now were incredibly young when it was released. They're coming to it naturally either through Fincher's filmography or through the first two Alien films and a lot of times won't even have much of an idea of how disliked it was at the time. The problem is that I remember people starting to go back and reclaim it after Fight Club came out and a large part of that was based on the director over the film. Some directors do inspire that kind of fandom and it's silly to deny it, but it's just as silly to say that's why everyone likes the film.

All that said, it's clearly far superior to Aliens.

TRM, how are you treating debuts if they were made for television? I'm thinking of someone like Peter Watkins. Is Culloden his feature debut even though it was made for t.v.? Or is it The War Game, which is weird territory because it was made for t.v. but won an Oscar, or do we go to Privilege? I don't mind which one, I just want to know what to vote for.

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RE: Empire Forums 100 Greatest Directing Debut Films - 6/10/2010 5:42:31 PM   
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Everyone vote Night of the Hunter because

a. It's awesome

b. It'll piss off Miles.



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