jobloffski
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Still feel, as I've said many times before, that Nolan will complete the character development of Batman. He has taken him from how he begins, into the darkness of the night, and I feel that acceptance by Gotham of the fully fledged Caped Crusader after he comes to the rescue of Gotham in Bat3 will be how it goes.
This will allow Nolan to bow out having explored all the aspects of the character, and having left WB with options at any time to go dark, because the precedent has been set. Additionally, the expectation that a Batflick will go where you least expect will be solidified, and given the fear hollywood has of making people have to wait for a story to be told, that is GOLD for a tentpole returning property Franchise fixed, credibility restored and the future rosy.
Nolan will also be able to have his cake and eat it, by going dark at the START of Bat3 in order to (remembering his penchant for logical narrative flow and thematic development) portray the character descending into his darkest hour just before the dawn.
I really, really can't see an apocalyptic ending coming. I see the culmination of the (re)creation of a character with the character being as iconic and shining as Bruce wanted him to be. The road to that ending can still be rocky as fuck, and a gifted storyteller can take the audience along that rocky road, and make them 'need' a happy ending. Not for the sake of the audience, but for the sake of the characters on screen.
Then what comes next wont have to be a total reboot, the spirit of what has been achieved can be the starting point, with even a total recast not destroying everything. Nolan will have opened the door for a heavy Batman film OR a lighter one being the next option, with the thriller, or adventure, or the epic, or the personal being the main point of films that can look and feel different from the last. Nolan has made the formula the starting point, not the sole goal, and once again, I feel that his intent will be to complete the creation of the iconic batman, to give Bruce some sense of reward for his hard work, Gordon some hope its worth the fight, etc.
And once again I stress the film can put the characters and audience through sheer hell en route to that point, which is my instinctive expectation for how Bat3 will play.
The darkest hour comes just before the dawn. But I promise you, the dawn is coming.
Final point, re title speculation both films so far have given the title at the end. They both refer to the point on the road batman has reached in character development (At the end of one, Batman Begins, By the end of the second, he has become The Dark Knight). So it don't involve rocket science to speculate that the end of Bat3 will come with the on screen title of the film, that it will refer to where the Batman character is at, and even if the title isn't this, I suspect the character status of Batman at the end of 3 will be The Caped Crusader.
Pretty sure he wont be dead, or retired, or despondent. The story so far has followed the traditional hero quest schematic (lack of parents, taught a new way of life, choosing to do good with power instead of exploiting it, being tested and looking at the dark side of himself), and that basically has a payoff of 'everything is falling into hell, but the innate heroism of the hero gives him the strength, when all seems lost, to defeat his own doubts and fears, and still be standing, finally the hero he was born to be.
And anyway, WB may largely let Nolan do what he wants with the train set, but I doubt that extends as far as stamping on it so nobody else gets to play with it before he bows out. The comics are where the harshest of tales happen, the movies always have to maintain mass appeal. I can imagine WB considering offering Bale and Nolan a crack at a properly adult version of the Dark Knight Returns if they want him to do something that pushes the envelope (and as a reward for reanimating the cash cow), but that would be a side project, a self contained spin off. I can't really see any other route to getting the kind of material into a Batman movie some seem so desperate to see.
Especially when both Batman begins and TDK have had a little bit of focus on little kids who need the kind of example Batman represents in a harsh world.
< Message edited by jobloffski -- 1/10/2010 2:54:44 PM >
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RE: Title Suggestion - 
) will realise that after the second film which was an ensemble with a very dominant Joker. A more introspective film will be required to re-focus the drama on Bruce Wayne and Batman. There has to be some sort of internal emotional/psychological turmoil which may threaten to engulf Bruce Wayne. We know that Wayne Manor and the Batcave will be the fortress for the respective alter-egos. The manor as an ivory tower for Bruce Wayne whilst the cave is a solitary refuge for Batman. I think one important feature of Wayne Manor will be how bare it is in comparison to what it was in "Batman Begins". All of the family heirlooms, art, furniture etc would've been burnt to a crisp. Any new ornaments will have been chosen by Bruce Wayne and Alfred. Even so, it'll be relatively empty and this may be a reflection of Bruce Wayne.
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