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RE: Militant Secularism - 21/2/2012 2:10:19 PM   
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To quote the late, great Curtis Mayfield - humans seem to be able to do pretty much everything except get on.


Yeah, I'm falling more on the late, great Bishop Gaye's vibe when he advocated 'gettin' it on'.
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Edit: I edited that for grammar and it doesn't say 'edited by gazpop'.....a higher power is getting involved, praise be to the mods!!

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RE: Militant Secularism - 20/3/2012 11:58:52 AM   
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 This is a great article about the so-called militant secularism and how ridiculous the term is...some worrying stuff about faith schools too

http://www.spectator.co.uk/nickcohen/7724123/the-spectre-of-militant-secularism.thtml

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RE: Militant Secularism - 20/3/2012 3:28:48 PM   
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This is a great article about the so-called militant secularism and how ridiculous the term is...some worrying stuff about faith schools too

http://www.spectator.co.uk/nickcohen/7724123/the-spectre-of-militant-secularism.thtml


Great article, spot on and surprised that it came from the Spectatory but try reading the comments section.

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RE: Militant Secularism - 22/3/2012 6:43:23 PM   
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 Theists need to realise that 'I strongly disagree with your faith.' does not equal militant or fundamental secularism.

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RE: Militant Secularism - 23/3/2012 9:37:03 AM   
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Theists need to realise that 'I strongly disagree with your faith.' does not equal militant or fundamental secularism.


Why do you need to express your opinion on somebody else's faith though?

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RE: Militant Secularism - 23/3/2012 9:58:17 AM   
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But why shouldn't someone be able to if they choose to? Just as certain theists feel they have the right to blame all moral ills on secularism. They're prats - but they can hold and express their own opinions. It was good that Warsi opened her idiot mouth about it - everyone could then judge her to be an idiot on an informed basis. I wouldn't say she had no right to express the opinion. And knowing there are nuts like her in power should make people more aware of what tthey are voting for.

At the extreme end I think there is almost a requirement to comment. Eg the human rights side - I have issues with your faith and how you treat women, using faith as an excuse. Or the battier, vile or abusive forms for some - I have issues with your faith and your attempt to kill or criminalise homosexuals using your form of faith as an excuse. I have issues with your faith and you brutalising or murdering children after calling them witches.

The impetus for attempts to strengthen the legislation on offence always seemed to be the opinion of the religious that they had no right to be questioned and questioning at all was offensive. I think some sects haven't yet gotten used to the fact that the world has changed and people feel they can hold open opinions more freely.  But the expression of an open opinion seems to generate a 'games a bogey - militant, militant, MILITANT!!!!!' response from some.

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RE: Militant Secularism - 23/3/2012 10:40:04 AM   
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 There often appears to be confusion between respect for someone's right to have an opinion, and respect for the opinion itself.  In reading some of the online debates, it seems that too many are confusing the latter with the former.  I have nothing but respect for the right of people to hold an opinion, but where I think that opinion is badly judged, I reserve my right to call them on it

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RE: Militant Secularism - 23/3/2012 10:44:23 AM   
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 You don't have a right to an opinion, you have a right to an informed opinion.

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RE: Militant Secularism - 23/3/2012 10:50:55 AM   
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Sadly people often get those two confused as well.

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RE: Militant Secularism - 23/3/2012 2:08:40 PM   
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At the extreme end I think there is almost a requirement to comment. Eg the human rights side - I have issues with your faith and how you treat women, using faith as an excuse. Or the battier, vile or abusive forms for some - I have issues with your faith and your attempt to kill or criminalise homosexuals using your form of faith as an excuse. I have issues with your faith and you brutalising or murdering children after calling them witches.



Do we consider such a shower of gumdrops as your average theist though elab? I don't think this was who BK was referring.

And yes Sharky. Nail. Hammer...

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RE: Militant Secularism - 23/3/2012 2:15:40 PM   
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Average would depend on the particular sect I guess. I'd hope that broadly in this country the answer would be a resounding 'no' for the second part of my comment. But for the first half? It does seem to be getting louder.

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RE: Militant Secularism - 23/3/2012 8:01:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: BigKovacs

Theists need to realise that 'I strongly disagree with your faith.' does not equal militant or fundamental secularism.


Why do you need to express your opinion on somebody else's faith though?


Why not? Someone's faith is an opinion and therefore always open to opposing opinions.

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RE: Militant Secularism - 27/3/2012 12:03:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

At the extreme end I think there is almost a requirement to comment. Eg the human rights side - I have issues with your faith and how you treat women, using faith as an excuse. Or the battier, vile or abusive forms for some - I have issues with your faith and your attempt to kill or criminalise homosexuals using your form of faith as an excuse. I have issues with your faith and you brutalising or murdering children after calling them witches.



Do we consider such a shower of gumdrops as your average theist though elab? I don't think this was who BK was referring.

And yes Sharky. Nail. Hammer...

The average theist is of course not a gumdrop, but they indirectly legitimise the extremists. There is an excellent Sam Harris talk along these lines, but for now, let's lighten the tone with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5pARGk5S4Q
EDIT: found the Sam Harris talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4syU7MC-1w

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Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 11:38:23 AM   
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 Pope resigns:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

The horror....

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 11:58:15 AM   
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I've spent the last 15 minutes or so laughing my arse off at the response on Twitter. Some genuinely hilarious comments on there about the news of an octogenarian resigning.

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 12:21:24 PM   
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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 1:06:54 PM   
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 Harry Redknapp is among the early contenders for the post...

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 1:34:45 PM   
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 I believe this chap - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-21246855 - has Tweeted that Benedict is a workshy fop and a lazy young scallywag.

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 2:17:41 PM   
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I liked the rumour that Odemwingie has been seen at the Vatican.

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 2:30:22 PM   
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Pope resigns:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

The horror....


Wow. I didn't even know they could resign! I thought you were stuck with it till you snuffed it.

Clearly 'Darth Kraut' isn't as hard as nails as JPII (new respect for your tenacity, il papa).

Wouldn't it be great if the real reason he was resigning was so he could marry his secret Brazilian boyfriend Jose...

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 2:40:09 PM   
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Wow. I didn't even know they could resign! I thought you were stuck with it till you snuffed it.


Yeah, I thought that too


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Clearly 'Darth Kraut' isn't as hard as nails as JPII


I always thought Jurassic Park 2 was the weaker of the 3


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Wouldn't it be great if the real reason he was resigning was so he could marry his secret Brazilian boyfriend Jose...


Or even better he was Savile's roadie and they've finally caught up with him.


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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 3:04:01 PM   
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Clearly 'Darth Kraut' isn't as hard as nails as JPII


I always thought Jurassic Park 2 was the weaker of the 3


Nah it beats the third one when Alan Grant starts playing flutes at the raptors.


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Wouldn't it be great if the real reason he was resigning was so he could marry his secret Brazilian boyfriend Jose...


Or even better he was Savile's roadie and they've finally caught up with him.



Both would be even better - Ratty fleeing to Brazil with Jose (aged 15) like a pervy Ronnie Biggs.

Well, I reckon my lapsed Catholic guilt is going to be giving me quite the kicking as I lie sleepless tonight.


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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 3:31:26 PM   
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May the rest of his days be peaceful ones.

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 3:53:10 PM   
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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 4:12:20 PM   
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 Considering the last Pope who resigned was 600 years ago, and that was to end the Great Western Schism, my mind is absolutely fucking blown, all over the place.

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 4:50:32 PM   
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May the rest of his days be peaceful ones.


Well yes, of course.

I wonder what he will get up to as a retired pope, save for nursing his health. As Deviation said, there isn't really a precedent for such a situation.

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 4:56:56 PM   
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 I assume his days will be filled with doing Codewords and watching Countdown between naps. If my father's retirement is anything to go by, anyway.

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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 5:41:40 PM   
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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 6:50:41 PM   
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RE: Pope Goes The Weasel - 11/2/2013 8:39:11 PM   
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Wow. I didn't even know they could resign! I thought you were stuck with it till you snuffed it.


Yeah, I thought that too


Same.

Saying that, I feel like I should be more bothered by this than I am. Like Dev says it's a huge deal, I'm just a bit "Meh" about the whole thing.

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