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RE: UFO and the media - 29/6/2011 11:53:57 PM   
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The glyph is clearly there on the picture I posted, taken from a photograph of the site.


It was this bit that showed how the image could be created through trial and error that interested me is all.





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RE: UFO and the media - 30/6/2011 12:03:43 AM   
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Oh yeah, I get that totally. While there is always the room for error, and it has to be taken into account that there is that possibility, mistakes in things weren't really in the Egyptian's ethos. They were pretty spot on with most things. Yes, there were images removed and then other glyphs carved in, but the original images were completely removed. There's plenty of evidence supporting that hieroglyphics were written over, no doubt about it, but the original underlying image isn't there.

Add to that, the images on Seti's tomb (and indeed all of the temples etc. he had) weren't carved into the stone, they're prominent. The stone around them is carved to ensure the image stands out, most others were carved into the stone.

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RE: UFO and the media - 30/6/2011 8:39:19 AM   
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So thousands of years ago, E.T. visited Egypt in a helicopter, Star Wars speeder and the Planet Express ship? 

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RE: UFO and the media - 30/6/2011 8:55:57 AM   
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Yeah, that's about the sum of it.


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RE: UFO and the media - 30/6/2011 9:11:31 AM   
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When we talk about the prehistoric art tend to create a certain illusion of equality between it and the art of the latest epochs up to modern times. It gets reviewed in a manner that you'd expect to see Constable or Dali being reviewed in. "Aesthetic norms and principles", "the message of the art", "reflection of life", "composition", "perception of the beautiful" etc,

Art today is more specific. It has it's own field of culture with boundaries and specialisation. Those boundaries are absolutely and clearly noted by both the artist and the "user" of the art. When looking at primitive humankind's art, those boundaries simply were not there. In the primitive man's mentality art was not singled out into a special field of activity

It was a very rare few that possessed the ability to create pictures (not much different from today really!). But the painters held a strata in society and, later, were linked with Shamans and Shamanic activity. The idea of leisure hours filled by different kinds of art is not correct either. There simply was no leisure time (as we understand it anyway - the time where they were not occupied with any activity).

The point is, that the people who painted these cave paintings were working with extremely rough materials. They were given a status in the society that set them above others, the paintings and engravings were highly unlikely to be made by someone who wasn't important in some way. While I'll agree, we will look back at the ancient with a modern understanding, you have to acknowledge that these paintings weren't done to kill a few hours of boredom as there wasn't any. The pictures represented what was going on around them, their lives, their surroundings.

As another point of interest, as you know, I do read hieroglyphics. There is no representation in hieroglyphics for what looks like a helicopter and two other kind of weird things that could be some kind of aircraft. They simply do not have that in their "alphabet".



I'm not saying we should approach primitive art critique with the same rationale that we apply to more modern age art.  What I'm saying is that, even taking into consideration the elevated position of these artists within their society, it is still possible to apply our own cultural imagery to them.  "Helicopter" being a case in point.  As you know, language has always been in a state of flux, and has always displayed many variations between regions (as it still does).  It's impossible to know if "helicopter" could simply be the local vernacular for, say,  "sarcophagus" (which to me it resembles).  And for me, that's a much more rational explanation that saying that because it can be interpreted as bearing a resemblence to a human invention from a couple of millennia in the future, it must mean visitation from a more advanced civilisation.

Also, lets face it, "Shamanic activity" normally involved ingesting a hefty dose of the local flora and "squeegieing your third eye" (as Bill Hicks put it).  Now when I've been on halluceogenics, I've seen some crazy shit that had I been of an artistic bent, would have produced some strange imagery that would be hard to explain to anyone that hadn't seen it.  Doesn't mean they existed outside my imagination.



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RE: UFO and the media - 1/7/2011 9:10:55 AM   
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It's unfortunate to see you so dismissive of ancient cultures, the assumption there that all Shamanic activity took place with the aid of hallucinogens is, unfortunately, very incorrect. It's a common assumption but that doesn't make it any less wrong. Going well off topic, Shamanic activity usually involved fasting and ensuring the body was clean and free of toxins.

I was also responding to Clowny when he asked if pictures were a modern thing and if there had been anything in caves etc.

I could happily dig out all of my work on ancient languages and pictograms, think I still know roughly where all my files are. What difference would it make though?

With Egyptian hieroglyphics it is extremely rare to find one picture denoting one word, it very rarely happens. What you have in most cases is a linking together of a few pictograms leading to a meaning. In the case of names they are surrounded by a circle, so you have a clear cartouche that gives the name of the person or god or goddess that they were referring to.

My point remains, while I have no explanation for what those particular symbols may mean and while I am not making any suggestions about it at all, the fact is that those symbols have absolutely no connection whatsoever to anything in hieroglyphics. Yes, I have seen statements that these were "typos" and "written over" but those symbols are prominent, therefore the stone around them was carved. Not the symbols into the stone.

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RE: UFO and the media - 1/7/2011 12:05:29 PM   
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I don't think its is dismissive of ancient cultures in any way to suggest that shamanic ritual to enter trance states often involved the use of entheogenics or, where it didn't need the ingestion of psychotropic drugs and their ilk, some form of autohypnotism such as fasting, dancing etc.  In any case, the end result was to induce a state wherein they could receive visions.  And while I know that this was only one part of their role within the tribe, it was still very possibly the role that inspired them to draw on the walls.

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RE: UFO and the media - 1/7/2011 12:21:11 PM   
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Like this one from 3000BC in Australia





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Prehistoric visitors from another world; or, prehistoric hoodies wearing sunglasses?

Interesting debate though. Wish I had time to join in.

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RE: UFO and the media - 1/7/2011 1:04:15 PM   
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This kind of reminds me of Erich von Danicken's very popular, but now widely refuted work of the late 60's that included similar "proof" that not only had alien civilisations visited us, but he also went on to claim that huge outline drawing on hills were obviously marked out as "airports" for space travellers and aliens leant their technology to building pyramids and other structures that of course men of that time could not have engineered alone.

So, I'm very cautious now to interpret pictures like those shown above. As stated before, they may be trying to depict something else that we are not mis-interpreting as something we'd rather see. And there is always the chance they are taken out of context or touched up, to make it clearer what we should see.

Which doesn't mean that I completely dismiss them. Just means that I'm not ready to jump at the most obvious interpretation. Let's take, for example, what is clearly a helicopter in the Seti picture. It is clearly a helicopter to me because I know what a helicopter looks like and my brain can easily match that shape. But if I didn't know that, might I come to some other conclusion. Might I say that it is a figure lying in repose? The tail is the feet sticking up. The rotor attachment is actually where the arms cross. The rotors themselves are the sarcophagus covering. And the head is missing due to time and erosion as there seems some kind of defect around where I'd expect that.

I'm not saying this is right either, but in terms of what I'd most expect to find in a tomb, a pictoral of a dead person would be higher up my list than a helicopter.

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RE: UFO and the media - 1/7/2011 4:32:22 PM   
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The Abydos helicopter revealed!



From catchpenny.org:

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The glyphs are a result of both erosion of the stone surface (evident elsewhere in the temple) and the process of filling in and re-carving the stone to replace some of the original hieroglyphics. The technical term for such a surface that has been written on more than once is a palimpsest. The usurping and modifying of inscriptions was common in ancient Egypt throughout its history. The Abydos glyph was modified at least once in antiquity, and perhaps twice. Some of the filling has fallen out in places where the older and the newer inscriptions overlap, and the result is unique and odd-looking.

The text is part of the titulary of Ramesses II and can be translated as "The one of the Two Ladies, who suppresses the nine foreign countries." This replaces the royal titulary of Seti I that was originally carved into the stone. More technically, the actual "helicopter" seems to be a portion of the psd.t sign and the X3s.t sign on top of each other, with portions missing. An apparent change in scale also mucks things up.


Not quite as extraterrestrial after all?

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RE: UFO and the media - 1/7/2011 5:16:12 PM   
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I've always been very sceptical, until this flew past my office window 10 minutes ago.




I can't wait til we get to "U" in the photo competition. I'm going to piss it with that.

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RE: UFO and the media - 2/7/2011 10:18:13 AM   
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RE: UFO and the media - 2/7/2011 10:39:54 AM   
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Thanks Funky. It took me ages to cut it out, ahem, I mean get my camera out.

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RE: UFO and the media - 2/7/2011 10:42:35 AM   
Funkyrae


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The Abydos helicopter revealed!



From catchpenny.org:

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The glyphs are a result of both erosion of the stone surface (evident elsewhere in the temple) and the process of filling in and re-carving the stone to replace some of the original hieroglyphics. The technical term for such a surface that has been written on more than once is a palimpsest. The usurping and modifying of inscriptions was common in ancient Egypt throughout its history. The Abydos glyph was modified at least once in antiquity, and perhaps twice. Some of the filling has fallen out in places where the older and the newer inscriptions overlap, and the result is unique and odd-looking.

The text is part of the titulary of Ramesses II and can be translated as "The one of the Two Ladies, who suppresses the nine foreign countries." This replaces the royal titulary of Seti I that was originally carved into the stone. More technically, the actual "helicopter" seems to be a portion of the psd.t sign and the X3s.t sign on top of each other, with portions missing. An apparent change in scale also mucks things up.


Not quite as extraterrestrial after all?


Maybe, but which of the red or cyan images is the older one?

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Which set of hieroglyphs is older? Cyan or red? Remember, this Golden Section construction starts with the red (semi)circle, so all the reds (versions A and B above) should be older. Then the newer glyphs (C above) would be akin to solving the puzzle of the older ones.

If the (semi)circle were read as part of the newer inscription - and I do seem to recall reading somewhere that the later foreign countries’ is symbolized by the triangles in the inscription, red like the (semi)circle - we would have good reasons to view the fact with suspicion, because the (semi)circle, or at least its diameter line, had to be there at the very start, otherwise this Golden Section would have been impossible. You have to have something to start the section with. It’s as simple as that.

If the red glyphs are older, and the cyan triangles newer, then the columns should not be in the red set of glyphs, because the red set’s vertical position has to be set by the cyan triangles. Either way, something is wrong here.
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I would also state for the record that the translation you've quoted is incorrect. Taken from the stripping down of the glyph into assumed pictograms:



Then what you have is a translation roughly coming to:

"Who repulses the Nine Bows,"
which figures in some of the Two-Ladies names of Seti I, replaced by

"Who protects Egypt and overthrows the foreign countries,"
a Two-Ladies name of Ramesses II."

So, not quite what you had quoted to you after all.

I told you I didn't want to get into this, it's taking this subject well and truly off topic. Might I suggest it's left now rather than having pages and pages of academic discussion.



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RE: UFO and the media - 2/7/2011 4:11:19 PM   
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In the context of this discussion, the exact translation is quite immaterial as none of them seem to say "this is a picture of UFOs we've seen". I knew this was reminding me of Erich von Danicken who had pottery made with pictures of UFOs on that he passed off as pre-historic and when he was caught out explained that people needed evidence to be convinced

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RE: UFO and the media - 2/7/2011 4:49:13 PM   
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Is there not an argument to be made that if the hieroglyphs and so-on represent early-mankind's reponse to encountering aliens, they were rather casual about it? Would they not have done the cave-painting or hieroglyphic equivalent of "LOOK AT WHAT WE SAW - WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY?!"

My point is, I wouldn't have expected their responses to be so coy in the face of what, it is reasonable to assume, would have been a fairly momentous event.

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RE: UFO and the media - 2/7/2011 6:36:55 PM   
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Thanks Funky. It took me ages to cut it out, ahem, I mean get my camera out.


It was still more convincing than that Soho footage.

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RE: UFO and the media - 2/7/2011 6:57:27 PM   
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Is there not an argument to be made that if the hieroglyphs and so-on represent early-mankind's reponse to encountering aliens, they were rather casual about it? Would they not have done the cave-painting or hieroglyphic equivalent of "LOOK AT WHAT WE SAW - WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY?!"

My point is, I wouldn't have expected their responses to be so coy in the face of what, it is reasonable to assume, would have been a fairly momentous event.


Good point however you don't take in to account that the glyphs and current artefacts from Egypt, Mesopotamia, Sumerian etc, we currently know about are probably less than a tenth of what exists. Also if you believe the theory's of extra terrestrial visits and the presence of aliens in early civilisation then who's to say they wouldn't be casual about it in their drawings/carvings if seeing a UFO was an everyday experience? Also maybe if there were any aliens there they could have enforced a ban on images of them 'Muhammed' style.

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RE: UFO and the media - 2/7/2011 7:43:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spaldron

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ORIGINAL: superdan

Is there not an argument to be made that if the hieroglyphs and so-on represent early-mankind's reponse to encountering aliens, they were rather casual about it? Would they not have done the cave-painting or hieroglyphic equivalent of "LOOK AT WHAT WE SAW - WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY?!"

My point is, I wouldn't have expected their responses to be so coy in the face of what, it is reasonable to assume, would have been a fairly momentous event.


Good point however you don't take in to account that the glyphs and current artefacts from Egypt, Mesopotamia, Sumerian etc, we currently know about are probably less than a tenth of what exists. Also if you believe the theory's of extra terrestrial visits and the presence of aliens in early civilisation then who's to say they wouldn't be casual about it in their drawings/carvings if seeing a UFO was an everyday experience? Also maybe if there were any aliens there they could have enforced a ban on images of them 'Muhammed' style.


So what you're saying is, that not only did aliens visit us thousands of years ago, they also took out the very first superinjunction?


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RE: UFO and the media - 2/7/2011 9:26:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bobatim

quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron

quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan

Is there not an argument to be made that if the hieroglyphs and so-on represent early-mankind's reponse to encountering aliens, they were rather casual about it? Would they not have done the cave-painting or hieroglyphic equivalent of "LOOK AT WHAT WE SAW - WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY?!"

My point is, I wouldn't have expected their responses to be so coy in the face of what, it is reasonable to assume, would have been a fairly momentous event.


Good point however you don't take in to account that the glyphs and current artefacts from Egypt, Mesopotamia, Sumerian etc, we currently know about are probably less than a tenth of what exists. Also if you believe the theory's of extra terrestrial visits and the presence of aliens in early civilisation then who's to say they wouldn't be casual about it in their drawings/carvings if seeing a UFO was an everyday experience? Also maybe if there were any aliens there they could have enforced a ban on images of them 'Muhammed' style.


So what you're saying is, that not only did aliens visit us thousands of years ago, they also took out the very first superinjunction?



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RE: UFO and the media - 4/7/2011 2:59:05 PM   
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Nobel-laureate Richard Feynman's take on the whole UFO subject:

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"...from my knowledge of the world that I see around me, I think that it is much more likely that the reports of flying saucers are the results of the known irrational characteristics of terrestrial intelligence than of the unknown rational efforts of extra-terrestrial intelligence."

"Anyway, I have to argue about flying saucers on the beach with people, you know. And I was interested in this: they keep arguing that it is possible. And that's true. It is possible. They do not appreciate that the problem is not to demonstrate whether it's possible or not but whether it's going on or not." 




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RE: UFO and the media - 5/7/2011 2:23:23 PM   
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RE: UFO and the media - 6/7/2011 12:54:59 PM   
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I find the Belgian UFO incident fascinating:

Clickables

Wikipedia article

Unsolved Mysteries part I

Unsolved Mysteries part II

Presented by the late Robert Stack.

"Riddle of the Skies" part II - Discovery Science (fast forward to 1:35)

"Riddle of the Skies" part III

The latter has a brief interview with one of the intercepting pilots.

It's not an easily explainable case and whichever conclusion one reaches, it's a fantastical one. Highly advanced form of radar jamming/ECM warfare? An experimental craft; if so possibly a drone? Simultaneous malfunction of numerous air and groud radar sources? Mass-public delusion? Extra-terrestrial/dimensional?! I know the latter sound ridiculous and far-fetched. Though the performance envelope of the target recorded on radar suggests a craft that we shouldn't posses in theory. To whichever conclusion you lean, it's a very compelling case nonetheless.

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RE: UFO and the media - 6/7/2011 1:28:52 PM   
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I've always found it suspicious that the first photos of the Belgian wave didn't show up until months after the event was supposed to have taken place.  In addition, there appears to be what I consider to be a very plausible reason for at least one of the sightings that got the most coverage (the witness was military) - not extra-terrestrial, not advanced stealth craft but a helicopter which, in conjunction with meterological conditions on the night in question can explain most (if not all) of the reported events of that night. http://www.caelestia.be/ernage.html  Check out the diagram on page 2 for what is to me a plausible explanation of the behaviour of the lights in this particular case.

The mass sightings from ground-based eye witnesses could possibly be mass psychosis (remember, the night in question was the culmination of 4 months of similar sightings - not as if the Belgians weren't aware of reports of black triangles with lights before that night!) or could (as the MOD found in its recently-released Condign Report) be attributed to a meterological phenomenon known as Bouyant Plasma Formation.

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RE: UFO and the media - 6/7/2011 2:55:21 PM   
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What about the Gendarmerie officers who claimed to have made close visual contact with the alleged craft? Furthermore, and this is key. Everytime the F-16s managed to acquire a radar lock-on, the target would respond by dramatically changing its speed and/or altitude to break the lock-on. The helicopter and temperature inversion explanations can only explain a distant sighting and why no noise may have been heard. I know witness testimony is far from conclusive proof, but in this case it shouldn't be dismissed. For instance, a Gendarmerie officer claims to have seen a triangular object firing what seemed to be two red 'laser beams' towards the ground. Whilst a spherical object ejected from it and appeared to be scanning/monitoring something. I simply don't feel comfortable laying this all down to atmospheric anomalies etc. For me, the most likeliest explanation is that the Americans were experimenting with some very exotic technology. Though there are problems here. Why test them over Belgium? They can test it against their own kit (which the Belgiums used) in the U.S in far more secure and private settings. Also, very incompetent and potentially dangerous to be flying such vehicles over urban areas. Whilst it takes a major leap of faith to state categorically: "they were extra-terrestrial". I don't think one should dismiss such an explanation, when what was reported and indeed recorded. Suggests something that clearly was extraordinary, did happen that night.


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RE: UFO and the media - 6/7/2011 4:29:58 PM   
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I've always found it suspicious that the first photos of the Belgian wave didn't show up until months after the event was supposed to have taken place.  In addition, there appears to be what I consider to be a very plausible reason for at least one of the sightings that got the most coverage (the witness was military) - not extra-terrestrial, not advanced stealth craft but a helicopter which, in conjunction with meterological conditions on the night in question can explain most (if not all) of the reported events of that night. http://www.caelestia.be/ernage.html  Check out the diagram on page 2 for what is to me a plausible explanation of the behaviour of the lights in this particular case.

The mass sightings from ground-based eye witnesses could possibly be mass psychosis (remember, the night in question was the culmination of 4 months of similar sightings - not as if the Belgians weren't aware of reports of black triangles with lights before that night!) or could (as the MOD found in its recently-released Condign Report) be attributed to a meterological phenomenon known as Bouyant Plasma Formation.


The Belgium Triangles always put me in the mindset of Experimental Craft. I don’t know why just always thought it was the Aurora Craft or some such.

Just the triangle shape seems so aerodynamic for an anti-grav craft. I can imagine the American’s buzzing through friendly nations to see if they can be picked up on their radar for testing


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RE: UFO and the media - 6/7/2011 4:40:17 PM   
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What about the Gendarmerie officers who claimed to have made close visual contact with the alleged craft? Furthermore, and this is key. Everytime the F-16s managed to acquire a radar lock-on, the target would respond by dramatically changing its speed and/or altitude to break the lock-on. The helicopter and temperature inversion explanations can only explain a distant sighting and why no noise may have been heard. I know witness testimony is far from conclusive proof, but in this case it shouldn't be dismissed. For instance, a Gendarmerie officer claims to have seen a triangular object firing what seemed to be two red 'laser beams' towards the ground. Whilst a spherical object ejected from it and appeared to be scanning/monitoring something. I simply don't feel comfortable laying this all down to atmospheric anomalies etc. For me, the most likeliest explanation is that the Americans were experimenting with some very exotic technology. Though there are problems here. Why test them over Belgium? They can test it against their own kit (which the Belgiums used) in the U.S in far more secure and private settings. Also, very incompetent and potentially dangerous to be flying such vehicles over urban areas. Whilst it takes a major leap of faith to state categorically: "they were extra-terrestrial". I don't think one should dismiss such an explanation, when what was reported and indeed recorded. Suggests something that clearly was extraordinary, did happen that night.



Because they are field testing. Perform the test on a county not in the know, see if you can sneak about without being caught and if do mess up in someway the world thinks its Aliens (and in turn no one beleives the tale because little green men are attached).

Plus somewhere like Belguim won't go to war with you if you fuck up the field testing and the whole thing is found out. I mean try testing this shit in China and it will all kick off if your test fails.



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RE: UFO and the media - 6/7/2011 5:52:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Emyr Thy King

What about the Gendarmerie officers who claimed to have made close visual contact with the alleged craft? Furthermore, and this is key. Everytime the F-16s managed to acquire a radar lock-on, the target would respond by dramatically changing its speed and/or altitude to break the lock-on. The helicopter and temperature inversion explanations can only explain a distant sighting and why no noise may have been heard. I know witness testimony is far from conclusive proof, but in this case it shouldn't be dismissed. For instance, a Gendarmerie officer claims to have seen a triangular object firing what seemed to be two red 'laser beams' towards the ground. Whilst a spherical object ejected from it and appeared to be scanning/monitoring something. I simply don't feel comfortable laying this all down to atmospheric anomalies etc. For me, the most likeliest explanation is that the Americans were experimenting with some very exotic technology. Though there are problems here. Why test them over Belgium? They can test it against their own kit (which the Belgiums used) in the U.S in far more secure and private settings. Also, very incompetent and potentially dangerous to be flying such vehicles over urban areas. Whilst it takes a major leap of faith to state categorically: "they were extra-terrestrial". I don't think one should dismiss such an explanation, when what was reported and indeed recorded. Suggests something that clearly was extraordinary, did happen that night.



Because they are field testing. Perform the test on a county not in the know, see if you can sneak about without being caught and if do mess up in someway the world thinks its Aliens (and in turn no one beleives the tale because little green men are attached).

Plus somewhere like Belguim won't go to war with you if you fuck up the field testing and the whole thing is found out. I mean try testing this shit in China and it will all kick off if your test fails.




The problem is these crafts aren't only different shapes but carry multiple advance technologies all bundled into one craft. I had read either the American government or the US air force asking the British if they developed a new Harrier. Surely it can't be theirs especially these crafts seems to be more advance than the recent F-35?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35B_Lightning_II#F-35B

One of the Belgium sightings during the wave was a drone exiting from a triangle shaped craft. Now these drones are sphere shaped objects and somehow have complete freedom in the sky. There are two famous UFO incidents involving these drones. The one you may not heard of was over Tahran, Iran captial before the Islamic Revolution. Iran was a close ally of America and was equiped with their twin pilot jets fighters. In the 1980's an unknown craft was sighted near or above Tahran. During an attempted dog fight two American jets lost power when approaching the craft and a comerical airliner in the area too lost power. The pilots from one jet fighter was chased for a short period of time by a sphere object which exited the the larger unknown craft.
The other famous incident involving a drone was on British soil. Many would heard of the Bentwater incident, multiple UFOs was seen around or above an US airforce base. The most famous part of the story when a group of service men followed a sphere shaped object in the actual forest.
Bit strange US are spying on their on bases and allies?

I live close to nuclear research developement facility in Aldermaston. UFOs had been sighted in the area and I know for a fact I seen two of those very hi tec aircrafts hovering next to each other. While I have seen the real deal but I also seen questionable objects which is why I have an interest in the subject.


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RE: UFO and the media - 6/7/2011 6:21:08 PM   
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The thing is Titanm21, the U.S military or one of its government agencies wouldn't need to fly their craft over Belgium to test their effectiveness against the latest defensive systems. As a) the U.S is a fellow NATO ally b) they could easily procure such technology without arousing suspicion and c) much of that technology would've been sourced from the U.S. Unless you meant to test the alertness and ability of the Belgians to respond to a 'threat'? The one factor that makes me think it has to be terrestrially based is a) I can't imagine E.T carrying around a threat warning receiver/I.F.F transponder and b) of course the E.T explanation requires a further heavy burden of proof.

Ghidorah, I'm familiar with the Iranian incident. Didn't the alleged craft fire some sort of weapon/projectile at the fighter? If I recall, the pilot was flying an American F-4 Phantom jet fighter. I think he may have been de-briefed by some C.I.A field intelligence officers too.

Rendlesham forest is an interesting case. Of course one interesting facet of it was the political fallout that came about, when the British government and/or public found out the Americans kept nuclear weapons there. There's all sort of stories about that incident. One which detail events prior or proceeding the alleged contact with the triangular craft by Lt. Colonel Holt and his men. Such things as a craft sighted above the base, which shot down a beam of some kind at the nuclear bunkers and disabled the weapons. Farm animals that could be heard in an agitated state. There's even something about supposed alien figures that had been seen at the base perimeter? You can't substantiate such stuff though.

< Message edited by Emyr Thy King -- 6/7/2011 6:22:13 PM >


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RE: UFO and the media - 6/7/2011 6:41:50 PM   
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Thing is, I want to believe in UFOs.

Because it would be fucking cool.

I'll happily listen to all the evidence to the contrary and accept they're probably right.

But I'll still believe.

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