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ORIGINAL: Funkyrae

The glyph is clearly there on the picture I posted, taken from a photograph of the site.

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ORIGINAL: Funkyrae

When we talk about the prehistoric art tend to create a certain illusion of equality between it and the art of the latest epochs up to modern times. It gets reviewed in a manner that you'd expect to see Constable or Dali being reviewed in. "Aesthetic norms and principles", "the message of the art", "reflection of life", "composition", "perception of the beautiful" etc,

Art today is more specific. It has it's own field of culture with boundaries and specialisation. Those boundaries are absolutely and clearly noted by both the artist and the "user" of the art. When looking at primitive humankind's art, those boundaries simply were not there. In the primitive man's mentality art was not singled out into a special field of activity

It was a very rare few that possessed the ability to create pictures (not much different from today really!). But the painters held a strata in society and, later, were linked with Shamans and Shamanic activity. The idea of leisure hours filled by different kinds of art is not correct either. There simply was no leisure time (as we understand it anyway - the time where they were not occupied with any activity).

The point is, that the people who painted these cave paintings were working with extremely rough materials. They were given a status in the society that set them above others, the paintings and engravings were highly unlikely to be made by someone who wasn't important in some way. While I'll agree, we will look back at the ancient with a modern understanding, you have to acknowledge that these paintings weren't done to kill a few hours of boredom as there wasn't any. The pictures represented what was going on around them, their lives, their surroundings.

As another point of interest, as you know, I do read hieroglyphics. There is no representation in hieroglyphics for what looks like a helicopter and two other kind of weird things that could be some kind of aircraft. They simply do not have that in their "alphabet".

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Like this one from 3000BC in Australia

Bob on for looking like Greys

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The glyphs are a result of both erosion of the stone surface (evident elsewhere in the temple) and the process of filling in and re-carving the stone to replace some of the original hieroglyphics. The technical term for such a surface that has been written on more than once is a palimpsest. The usurping and modifying of inscriptions was common in ancient Egypt throughout its history. The Abydos glyph was modified at least once in antiquity, and perhaps twice. Some of the filling has fallen out in places where the older and the newer inscriptions overlap, and the result is unique and odd-looking.

The text is part of the titulary of Ramesses II and can be translated as "The one of the Two Ladies, who suppresses the nine foreign countries." This replaces the royal titulary of Seti I that was originally carved into the stone. More technically, the actual "helicopter" seems to be a portion of the psd.t sign and the X3s.t sign on top of each other, with portions missing. An apparent change in scale also mucks things up.

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The Abydos helicopter revealed!



From catchpenny.org:

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The glyphs are a result of both erosion of the stone surface (evident elsewhere in the temple) and the process of filling in and re-carving the stone to replace some of the original hieroglyphics. The technical term for such a surface that has been written on more than once is a palimpsest. The usurping and modifying of inscriptions was common in ancient Egypt throughout its history. The Abydos glyph was modified at least once in antiquity, and perhaps twice. Some of the filling has fallen out in places where the older and the newer inscriptions overlap, and the result is unique and odd-looking.

The text is part of the titulary of Ramesses II and can be translated as "The one of the Two Ladies, who suppresses the nine foreign countries." This replaces the royal titulary of Seti I that was originally carved into the stone. More technically, the actual "helicopter" seems to be a portion of the psd.t sign and the X3s.t sign on top of each other, with portions missing. An apparent change in scale also mucks things up.

Not quite as extraterrestrial after all?

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Which set of hieroglyphs is older? Cyan or red? Remember, this Golden Section construction starts with the red (semi)circle, so all the reds (versions A and B above) should be older. Then the newer glyphs (C above) would be akin to solving the puzzle of the older ones.

If the (semi)circle were read as part of the newer inscription - and I do seem to recall reading somewhere that the later foreign countries’ is symbolized by the triangles in the inscription, red like the (semi)circle - we would have good reasons to view the fact with suspicion, because the (semi)circle, or at least its diameter line, had to be there at the very start, otherwise this Golden Section would have been impossible. You have to have something to start the section with. It’s as simple as that.

If the red glyphs are older, and the cyan triangles newer, then the columns should not be in the red set of glyphs, because the red set’s vertical position has to be set by the cyan triangles. Either way, something is wrong here.

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Thanks Funky. It took me ages to cut it out, ahem, I mean get my camera out.

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Is there not an argument to be made that if the hieroglyphs and so-on represent early-mankind's reponse to encountering aliens, they were rather casual about it? Would they not have done the cave-painting or hieroglyphic equivalent of "LOOK AT WHAT WE SAW - WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY?!"

My point is, I wouldn't have expected their responses to be so coy in the face of what, it is reasonable to assume, would have been a fairly momentous event.

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Is there not an argument to be made that if the hieroglyphs and so-on represent early-mankind's reponse to encountering aliens, they were rather casual about it? Would they not have done the cave-painting or hieroglyphic equivalent of "LOOK AT WHAT WE SAW - WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY?!"

My point is, I wouldn't have expected their responses to be so coy in the face of what, it is reasonable to assume, would have been a fairly momentous event.

Good point however you don't take in to account that the glyphs and current artefacts from Egypt, Mesopotamia, Sumerian etc, we currently know about are probably less than a tenth of what exists. Also if you believe the theory's of extra terrestrial visits and the presence of aliens in early civilisation then who's to say they wouldn't be casual about it in their drawings/carvings if seeing a UFO was an everyday experience? Also maybe if there were any aliens there they could have enforced a ban on images of them 'Muhammed' style.

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Is there not an argument to be made that if the hieroglyphs and so-on represent early-mankind's reponse to encountering aliens, they were rather casual about it? Would they not have done the cave-painting or hieroglyphic equivalent of "LOOK AT WHAT WE SAW - WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY?!"

My point is, I wouldn't have expected their responses to be so coy in the face of what, it is reasonable to assume, would have been a fairly momentous event.

Good point however you don't take in to account that the glyphs and current artefacts from Egypt, Mesopotamia, Sumerian etc, we currently know about are probably less than a tenth of what exists. Also if you believe the theory's of extra terrestrial visits and the presence of aliens in early civilisation then who's to say they wouldn't be casual about it in their drawings/carvings if seeing a UFO was an everyday experience? Also maybe if there were any aliens there they could have enforced a ban on images of them 'Muhammed' style.

So what you're saying is, that not only did aliens visit us thousands of years ago, they also took out the very first superinjunction?

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"...from my knowledge of the world that I see around me, I think that it is much more likely that the reports of flying saucers are the results of the known irrational characteristics of terrestrial intelligence than of the unknown rational efforts of extra-terrestrial intelligence."

"Anyway, I have to argue about flying saucers on the beach with people, you know. And I was interested in this: they keep arguing that it is possible. And that's true. It is possible. They do not appreciate that the problem is not to demonstrate whether it's possible or not but whether it's going on or not." 

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It could be viral marketing, or it could be some people were bored one day and decided to be creative.

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I've always found it suspicious that the first photos of the Belgian wave didn't show up until months after the event was supposed to have taken place.  In addition, there appears to be what I consider to be a very plausible reason for at least one of the sightings that got the most coverage (the witness was military) - not extra-terrestrial, not advanced stealth craft but a helicopter which, in conjunction with meterological conditions on the night in question can explain most (if not all) of the reported events of that night. http://www.caelestia.be/ernage.html  Check out the diagram on page 2 for what is to me a plausible explanation of the behaviour of the lights in this particular case.

The mass sightings from ground-based eye witnesses could possibly be mass psychosis (remember, the night in question was the culmination of 4 months of similar sightings - not as if the Belgians weren't aware of reports of black triangles with lights before that night!) or could (as the MOD found in its recently-released Condign Report) be attributed to a meterological phenomenon known as Bouyant Plasma Formation.

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What about the Gendarmerie officers who claimed to have made close visual contact with the alleged craft? Furthermore, and this is key. Everytime the F-16s managed to acquire a radar lock-on, the target would respond by dramatically changing its speed and/or altitude to break the lock-on. The helicopter and temperature inversion explanations can only explain a distant sighting and why no noise may have been heard. I know witness testimony is far from conclusive proof, but in this case it shouldn't be dismissed. For instance, a Gendarmerie officer claims to have seen a triangular object firing what seemed to be two red 'laser beams' towards the ground. Whilst a spherical object ejected from it and appeared to be scanning/monitoring something. I simply don't feel comfortable laying this all down to atmospheric anomalies etc. For me, the most likeliest explanation is that the Americans were experimenting with some very exotic technology. Though there are problems here. Why test them over Belgium? They can test it against their own kit (which the Belgiums used) in the U.S in far more secure and private settings. Also, very incompetent and potentially dangerous to be flying such vehicles over urban areas. Whilst it takes a major leap of faith to state categorically: "they were extra-terrestrial". I don't think one should dismiss such an explanation, when what was reported and indeed recorded. Suggests something that clearly was extraordinary, did happen that night.

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What about the Gendarmerie officers who claimed to have made close visual contact with the alleged craft? Furthermore, and this is key. Everytime the F-16s managed to acquire a radar lock-on, the target would respond by dramatically changing its speed and/or altitude to break the lock-on. The helicopter and temperature inversion explanations can only explain a distant sighting and why no noise may have been heard. I know witness testimony is far from conclusive proof, but in this case it shouldn't be dismissed. For instance, a Gendarmerie officer claims to have seen a triangular object firing what seemed to be two red 'laser beams' towards the ground. Whilst a spherical object ejected from it and appeared to be scanning/monitoring something. I simply don't feel comfortable laying this all down to atmospheric anomalies etc. For me, the most likeliest explanation is that the Americans were experimenting with some very exotic technology. Though there are problems here. Why test them over Belgium? They can test it against their own kit (which the Belgiums used) in the U.S in far more secure and private settings. Also, very incompetent and potentially dangerous to be flying such vehicles over urban areas. Whilst it takes a major leap of faith to state categorically: "they were extra-terrestrial". I don't think one should dismiss such an explanation, when what was reported and indeed recorded. Suggests something that clearly was extraordinary, did happen that night.

Because they are field testing. Perform the test on a county not in the know, see if you can sneak about without being caught and if do mess up in someway the world thinks its Aliens (and in turn no one beleives the tale because little green men are attached).

Plus somewhere like Belguim won't go to war with you if you fuck up the field testing and the whole thing is found out. I mean try testing this shit in China and it will all kick off if your test fails.

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