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RE: Well done Sly - 19/8/2010 2:40:33 PM   
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RE: Well done Sly - 19/8/2010 2:41:29 PM   
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Does Sly like the TV series Angel? With Charisma Carpenter that's the second actress from the show he's cast in consecutive movies.

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RE: Well done Sly - 19/8/2010 2:49:51 PM   
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Does Sly like the TV series Angel? With Charisma Carpenter that's the second actress from the show he's cast in consecutive movies.


I'm pretty sure he wanted Julie Benz, she was busy, and recommended Carpenter.

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RE: You're a film critic - please start acting like one. - 19/8/2010 3:42:28 PM   
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Thouroughly disappointed with this. I really don't understand the championning of this film at all - an 80's action flick this most certainly was not. If that were the case then why does Sly insist on directing the action like the messy, incoherent rubbish that is the Bourne films and other some such? I don't know about the rest of you but fast edits and shaky cameras don't equal action. Don't get me wrong, I'm a genuine fan of 80's action movies myself but this just didn't work at all. Sorry.


This ^

I thought Expendables was one of the worst films I'd seen in a long time, and this is coming from an 80s/90s action fan.

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RE: Well done Sly - 19/8/2010 4:30:36 PM   
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Sorry PA,you started the "it was him first" remarks.It's a third-party weigh in that wasn't needed.Nothing untoward was said by anybody.


I'm a mod. It's my job to weigh in when you're going off-topic and then lying about doing it.


I'll ask you to retract calling me a liar.
The "victim" jibe was silly,but that's too far.

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RE: You're a film critic - please start acting like one. - 19/8/2010 4:34:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: redpaw

Thouroughly disappointed with this. I really don't understand the championning of this film at all - an 80's action flick this most certainly was not. If that were the case then why does Sly insist on directing the action like the messy, incoherent rubbish that is the Bourne films and other some such? I don't know about the rest of you but fast edits and shaky cameras don't equal action. Don't get me wrong, I'm a genuine fan of 80's action movies myself but this just didn't work at all. Sorry.


This ^

I thought Expendables was one of the worst films I'd seen in a long time, and this is coming from an 80s/90s action fan.


Here is the problem - The Expenables is being hyped as being of comparible quailty to Die Hard, Commando, Rambo and so on. And it simply isn't near some of these films in terms of quailty.

However if you enjoy Delta Force, Death Wish 3 or the films of Chuck Norris, there is much to like in here. It isn't a top tier action movie, and this year I still prefered Univerisal Solider 3 for my 80s action kick, but it is an excellent example of those 80s action movies which didn't become super famous, but at the same time tend to be the ones people remember.

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RE: Expendables - 20/8/2010 12:40:39 AM   
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Well i thoroughly enjoyed it. Had some minor issues though:
Definite lack of quality one liners.
The script wasn't great (yeah i know when were these types of films ever well scripted, but i thought we had moved on a little since then)
No JCVD

Other than those its top quality action in a can. On a side note has anyone noticed since playing "call of duty" and the like you can now recognise guns that they use within films?

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RE: Wtf - 20/8/2010 10:33:51 AM   
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RE: Wtf - 20/8/2010 1:20:16 PM   
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RE: Wtf - 20/8/2010 1:50:34 PM   
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I havent seen the film but plan on doing so this weekend, so this has nothing to do with the quality of the The Expendables and maybe what I have noticed is wide of the mark.

I have been a long-time lurker of these forums, posting occasionally and always pop in here before viewing a film to get Empires opinion and then the people of the forum. Is it just me or are there a lot of new/low post people posting in the review forums nowadays? And most of them seem to be big fans of the film they are posting about??? Or even to the extent where they simply just post (something like) THIS FILM WAS BRILLIANT, STALLONE IS GREAT.

Maybe its just me noticing something thats not there, and hopefully its just the case that this forum is getting a lot more fans who only seem to post in threads of the films theyve watched and loved. Cant help but be a little cynical towards these posters though

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RE: Wtf - 20/8/2010 6:07:30 PM   
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It can happen on a lot of films especially the big ones, makes it difficult for more regular posters to come on and post their review or find other people's and it's as a annoying as Deviation's trolling.

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RE: Wtf - 20/8/2010 9:41:14 PM   
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RE: Wtf - 20/8/2010 9:46:13 PM   
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I think though,to be fair,surely the point of posting is motivated by what you like,or if you are a bit more daring,exploring possible films/genres that you want to dip your toe into?(Not literally!).
If you came on to solely have a negative go at films/posters,that isn't really what it should be about either,is it?And i won't use the T word or even the D word.
I think a healthy discussion and passionate banter about our opinions is ok,let's be honest,very few will change their postion,that's human nature.
I do agree though that this film and its review has seen a lot of what you talk about.

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RE: Wtf - 21/8/2010 12:51:23 AM   
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It can happen on a lot of films especially the big ones, makes it difficult for more regular posters to come on and post their review or find other people's and it's as a annoying as Deviation's trolling.


I wasn't trolling.

Though enough of this.


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RE: Wtf - 21/8/2010 12:12:04 PM   
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I thought it was a good watch and was exactly what I was expecting. Terry Crews stole the show towards the end with his earth-shattering shotgun which made watchtowers explode for some strange reason. If I could ask for one thing it would have been more screen-time for the supporting cast. Only three of the team-members ever got any kind of non-combat screen-time. It just would have been nice and given the film a little more depth.

The action was fast flowing very well choreographed especially jason stathams mix of pistol and gun combat, it was a joy to watch.

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This isn't 80's... - 21/8/2010 1:10:11 PM   
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This was a mixed bag for me.

Awesome moments:

Statham sitting on the nose of a plane slicing up a small army with a massive machine gun and then setting fire to them

Statham beating the crap out of half a dozen basketball guys (I loved the stabbing the basketball threat). The guy's built like a tank!

That massive and incredibly loud machine gun Terry Crews was walking around with.

People literally being blown to bits.

Mickey Rourke's monologue about salvation.

"4 and a half men."

"What's his problem?" "He wasnt to be president."

Stallone's incredibly obvious lifts in his shoes

Rubbish moments:

Arnie and Willis' cameo. The two most famous guys in the whole film are used up in the same damn scene and do nothing. Nevermind that it clearly wasn't rehearsed, it just felt tacked on and pointless. Why tease us like that? Harvey Keitel had more screen presence as the voice on the telephone in Inglourious Basterds. Could they seriously not come up with something better than 2 minutes of bad puns and unfunny one-liners? Mr Freeze come back, all is forgiven!

Could Arnie not have been a mysterious voice on a radio giving Stallone instructions throughout the film or something? Everyone would know it was his voice, but still his big reveal could have come at the end of the film with him sitting on a deck chair on a large wodden balcony, in a hawaiian shirt, surrounded by beautiful women in bikini's, overlooking a beach in the caribbean somewhere, where he puts down a radio, picks up a pair of Terminator 2 sunglasses, puts them on, sits back and smiles.
Just something that would have kept his presence throughout the film. And frankly, I can't imagine it would take very long for him to film. A few hours in a soundbooth with a script in front of him, and then spend a few hours on set to shoot a scene that would be 3 or 4 shots at most. No location work either, just a wooden balcony, some extra's and a green screen.

And that for me was the big problem with this film. This was supposed to be a nostalgic throwback to the great cheesy action movies of the 80's, and yet all the elements of the 80's were missing or poorly implemented. Lundgren was barely in it, and his fight with Li was a missed opportunity of shakey cam close-ups and quick cuts that missed half of what they were doing (seriously, when will this fad end?!).
And although I said Statham's beatdown in the basketball court was awesome, it looked more MTV than Rambo.

If you want to make a nostalgic 80's action movie you need more than just big explosions and guns!

And yet incredibly, despite these guys not having much in the way of screentime, Stallone still managed to be the least interesting part of his own movie! Why did he feel so compelled to go back and save that woman? There was no chemistry between them. And why did that woman refuse to go with him?

There's more I could say but I'm bored now. To sum up there were bits I liked and bits I didn't.

I'd give it 2.5/5

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RE: Ultra Violence - 21/8/2010 6:03:08 PM   
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We went to see it this afternoon, what a fun film! Ok, it wasn't particularly clever (and I had to concede to my fiancee that no, it didn't really have much of a plot ) but it was just a fun, loud, satisfying brutal action film. Not much more that you can say really - if you want to see a fun action film that's really just a framework for large, muscular men thumping, kicking, stabbing, shooting and blowing people/each other up then you can't knock it!

By the way, was it just me or was Eric Roberts getting knifed through the chest a seriously dodgy special effect??

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RE: Wtf - 22/8/2010 12:48:10 AM   
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I thought it was a good watch and was exactly what I was expecting. Terry Crews stole the show towards the end with his earth-shattering shotgun which made watchtowers explode for some strange reason. If I could ask for one thing it would have been more screen-time for the supporting cast. Only three of the team-members ever got any kind of non-combat screen-time. It just would have been nice and given the film a little more depth.

The action was fast flowing very well choreographed especially jason stathams mix of pistol and gun combat, it was a joy to watch.


Brilliant stuff!

Though he did point out that he also had explosive rounds. But the way you put it makes it sound more fun!

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RE: This isn't 80's... - 22/8/2010 1:09:38 AM   
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SPOILERS (and badly written)






This was a mixed bag for me.

Awesome moments:

Statham sitting on the nose of a plane slicing up a small army with a massive machine gun and then setting fire to them

Statham beating the crap out of half a dozen basketball guys (I loved the stabbing the basketball threat). The guy's built like a tank!

That massive and incredibly loud machine gun Terry Crews was walking around with.

People literally being blown to bits.

Mickey Rourke's monologue about salvation.

"4 and a half men."

"What's his problem?" "He wasnt to be president."

Stallone's incredibly obvious lifts in his shoes

Rubbish moments:

Arnie and Willis' cameo. The two most famous guys in the whole film are used up in the same damn scene and do nothing. Nevermind that it clearly wasn't rehearsed, it just felt tacked on and pointless. Why tease us like that? Harvey Keitel had more screen presence as the voice on the telephone in Inglourious Basterds. Could they seriously not come up with something better than 2 minutes of bad puns and unfunny one-liners? Mr Freeze come back, all is forgiven!

Could Arnie not have been a mysterious voice on a radio giving Stallone instructions throughout the film or something? Everyone would know it was his voice, but still his big reveal could have come at the end of the film with him sitting on a deck chair on a large wodden balcony, in a hawaiian shirt, surrounded by beautiful women in bikini's, overlooking a beach in the caribbean somewhere, where he puts down a radio, picks up a pair of Terminator 2 sunglasses, puts them on, sits back and smiles.
Just something that would have kept his presence throughout the film. And frankly, I can't imagine it would take very long for him to film. A few hours in a soundbooth with a script in front of him, and then spend a few hours on set to shoot a scene that would be 3 or 4 shots at most. No location work either, just a wooden balcony, some extra's and a green screen.

And that for me was the big problem with this film. This was supposed to be a nostalgic throwback to the great cheesy action movies of the 80's, and yet all the elements of the 80's were missing or poorly implemented. Lundgren was barely in it, and his fight with Li was a missed opportunity of shakey cam close-ups and quick cuts that missed half of what they were doing (seriously, when will this fad end?!).
And although I said Statham's beatdown in the basketball court was awesome, it looked more MTV than Rambo.

If you want to make a nostalgic 80's action movie you need more than just big explosions and guns!

And yet incredibly, despite these guys not having much in the way of screentime, Stallone still managed to be the least interesting part of his own movie! Why did he feel so compelled to go back and save that woman? There was no chemistry between them. And why did that woman refuse to go with him?

There's more I could say but I'm bored now. To sum up there were bits I liked and bits I didn't.

I'd give it 2.5/5

Agree with some of your points,but must disagree with your overall analysis.
This is not a film that needs any great deep level of thought.That is why it is enjoyable.
It is visual,a few good gags,some decent old school actors and is a great popcorn film.
What more do you want?"chemistry"?

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RE: W.Y.S.I.W.Y.G - 22/8/2010 1:11:35 AM   
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It couldn't be more overtly macho if it was made out red meat, bourbon and the tears of a beaten housewife. The dialogue and interactions are awful, the plot appears rarely and only 2 or 3 of the cast can actually act. That said, if you are looking for that stuff then why did you pay to see this film? If you appreciate shooting, explosions, punching and kicking then you will probably like this. I thought it was a good laugh and very much enjoyed the novelty of seeing Jet Li and Dolph Lungren fight each other (props to the reviewer for singling that punch-up out)

Alot more cheesey one-liners and a JCVD appearance and it might have pulled off 5 star from me!

"tears of a beaten housewife"
I mean
JCVD and Seagal could have made this a 5 star movie-they turned it down!

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RE: This isn't 80's... - 22/8/2010 2:31:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hood_Man

SPOILERS (and badly written)






This was a mixed bag for me.

Awesome moments:

Statham sitting on the nose of a plane slicing up a small army with a massive machine gun and then setting fire to them

Statham beating the crap out of half a dozen basketball guys (I loved the stabbing the basketball threat). The guy's built like a tank!

That massive and incredibly loud machine gun Terry Crews was walking around with.

People literally being blown to bits.

Mickey Rourke's monologue about salvation.

"4 and a half men."

"What's his problem?" "He wasnt to be president."

Stallone's incredibly obvious lifts in his shoes

Rubbish moments:

Arnie and Willis' cameo. The two most famous guys in the whole film are used up in the same damn scene and do nothing. Nevermind that it clearly wasn't rehearsed, it just felt tacked on and pointless. Why tease us like that? Harvey Keitel had more screen presence as the voice on the telephone in Inglourious Basterds. Could they seriously not come up with something better than 2 minutes of bad puns and unfunny one-liners? Mr Freeze come back, all is forgiven!

Could Arnie not have been a mysterious voice on a radio giving Stallone instructions throughout the film or something? Everyone would know it was his voice, but still his big reveal could have come at the end of the film with him sitting on a deck chair on a large wodden balcony, in a hawaiian shirt, surrounded by beautiful women in bikini's, overlooking a beach in the caribbean somewhere, where he puts down a radio, picks up a pair of Terminator 2 sunglasses, puts them on, sits back and smiles.
Just something that would have kept his presence throughout the film. And frankly, I can't imagine it would take very long for him to film. A few hours in a soundbooth with a script in front of him, and then spend a few hours on set to shoot a scene that would be 3 or 4 shots at most. No location work either, just a wooden balcony, some extra's and a green screen.

And that for me was the big problem with this film. This was supposed to be a nostalgic throwback to the great cheesy action movies of the 80's, and yet all the elements of the 80's were missing or poorly implemented. Lundgren was barely in it, and his fight with Li was a missed opportunity of shakey cam close-ups and quick cuts that missed half of what they were doing (seriously, when will this fad end?!).
And although I said Statham's beatdown in the basketball court was awesome, it looked more MTV than Rambo.

If you want to make a nostalgic 80's action movie you need more than just big explosions and guns!

And yet incredibly, despite these guys not having much in the way of screentime, Stallone still managed to be the least interesting part of his own movie! Why did he feel so compelled to go back and save that woman? There was no chemistry between them. And why did that woman refuse to go with him?

There's more I could say but I'm bored now. To sum up there were bits I liked and bits I didn't.

I'd give it 2.5/5

Agree with some of your points,but must disagree with your overall analysis.
This is not a film that needs any great deep level of thought.That is why it is enjoyable.
It is visual,a few good gags,some decent old school actors and is a great popcorn film.
What more do you want?"chemistry"?

Fair enough. I would love it if they all came back for a sequel and had another go at it though (which looks likely since it's doing pretty well in the states right now), especially if the guys like Lundgren and Willis could return and devote more time to it. Maybe let an 80's action movie fanboy write the script and direct though.

Maybe they could include Arnie in another cameo at the end, phoning from the Oval Office as the President

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JCVD and Seagal could have made this a 5 star movie-they turned it down!

Agree completely! Hopefully Van Damme realises his mistake and says yes if he's asked to be in a sequel.

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RE: Wtf - 22/8/2010 2:42:06 PM   
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I havent seen the film but plan on doing so this weekend, so this has nothing to do with the quality of the The Expendables and maybe what I have noticed is wide of the mark.

I have been a long-time lurker of these forums, posting occasionally and always pop in here before viewing a film to get Empires opinion and then the people of the forum. Is it just me or are there a lot of new/low post people posting in the review forums nowadays? And most of them seem to be big fans of the film they are posting about??? Or even to the extent where they simply just post (something like) THIS FILM WAS BRILLIANT, STALLONE IS GREAT.

Maybe its just me noticing something thats not there, and hopefully its just the case that this forum is getting a lot more fans who only seem to post in threads of the films theyve watched and loved. Cant help but be a little cynical towards these posters though


It's because they post in the bit under the review. So they don't actually visit the forums.

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RE: The Expendables - 22/8/2010 4:02:42 PM   
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Easy and quick to review this one.

Action sequences very good, rest of the film mostly shite, and not in an 80's throwback awful one liner kind of shite either, just plain old not very good and actually quite dull kind of shite.

Still I like I said, the action was nice.

2/5

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RE: An Action Movie The Way It Should Be - 23/8/2010 12:06:32 PM   
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Just saw it last night and thought it was a total blast! A real lads movie(saw it with three mates).Loud,violent,and women were just hot eye candy.In other words...GREAT MOVIE!

The cast are all great and its terrific to see so many action icons together on screen.The final battle was the best action iv seen since Rambo and Terry Crews nearly stole the show with his limited screen time and humongous machine gun!

Minor flaws:The Arnie and Bruce cameo was nice but i would have liked more screen time for them both.The fights between Li and Lundgren were a bit over edited.

Other than that..AWESOME!

A high four stars from me.


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RE: An Action Movie The Way It Should Be - 23/8/2010 12:25:50 PM   
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I thought it was a load of rubbish. Nowhere near enough comedy and the comedy that was in it wasn't good comedy. I wasn't going into this expecting Citizen Kane but I was at least expecting Face/Off levels of ridiculous fun and outrageous comedy. It says a lot when Terry Crews is the best actor in the Expendables group.


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RE: An Action Movie The Way It Should Be - 23/8/2010 1:14:04 PM   
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I thought it was a load of rubbish. Nowhere near enough comedy and the comedy that was in it wasn't good comedy. I wasn't going into this expecting Citizen Kane but I was at least expecting Face/Off levels of ridiculous fun and outrageous comedy. It says a lot when Terry Crews is the best actor in the Expendables group.



Methinks you should've gotten more acquainted with Stallone's recent directorial career before you saw it. The man's nothing if not deadly serious these days.


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RE: Easily one of the Top 5 action movies ever!! - 23/8/2010 1:24:49 PM   
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Anyone who criticises this film doesn't know a thing about action movies.


lol.

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Methinks you should've gotten more acquainted with Stallone's recent directorial career before you saw it. The man's nothing if not deadly serious these days.


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RE: Easily one of the Top 5 action movies ever!! - 23/8/2010 1:31:25 PM   
Rgirvan44


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Yeah, I liked the Expenables a lot, but it is no where near on the level of action movies like Predator, Die Hard or Robocop.

You could have cut the Statham girlfirend subplot without missing a beat for instance.

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RE: Easily one of the Top 5 action movies ever!! - 23/8/2010 1:56:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Yeah, I liked the Expenables a lot, but it is no where near on the level of action movies like Predator, Die Hard or Robocop.

You could have cut the Statham girlfirend subplot without missing a beat for instance.


Unfortunately,it appears Statham insists on having a hot girlfriend in every picture hes in.Although im amazed he managed to keep his shirt on for once!


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RE: Wtf - 23/8/2010 2:30:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tyler_D

I havent seen the film but plan on doing so this weekend, so this has nothing to do with the quality of the The Expendables and maybe what I have noticed is wide of the mark.

I have been a long-time lurker of these forums, posting occasionally and always pop in here before viewing a film to get Empires opinion and then the people of the forum. Is it just me or are there a lot of new/low post people posting in the review forums nowadays? And most of them seem to be big fans of the film they are posting about??? Or even to the extent where they simply just post (something like) THIS FILM WAS BRILLIANT, STALLONE IS GREAT.

Maybe its just me noticing something thats not there, and hopefully its just the case that this forum is getting a lot more fans who only seem to post in threads of the films theyve watched and loved. Cant help but be a little cynical towards these posters though


Anyone else find it ironic that hardcore action movie fans - lovers of all things tough and manly - cry like little girls when someone says something negative about their favourite musclebound star?

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