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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 25/7/2010 11:02:22 PM   
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I enjoyed it just as much the second time, was able to watch it differently looking at things from a different perspective that it was all a dream. I certainly reckon it stands upto repeat viewings, will probably go and see it one final time at the pictures.

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 25/7/2010 11:14:44 PM   
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Nope. But it was slightly ruined by the guy sat next to me. He fucking stunk! And his girlfriend kept whispering to him throughout.

That is indeed a double load of bother

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 25/7/2010 11:17:47 PM   
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I enjoyed it just as much the second time, was able to watch it differently looking at things from a different perspective that it was all a dream. I certainly reckon it stands upto repeat viewings, will probably go and see it one final time at the pictures.

That's why i asked.
I've seen it again-still think it's great!-but not too sure about the "theories" you have in your head from reading this forum!
To be honest,it's one of the few movies,i think,that you're still unsure of,having seen it already-in terms of the exact detail you can work out.
A 3 time view film maybe??

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 25/7/2010 11:20:59 PM   
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I'm going for a 3rd time. Will be going to see it at the IMAX this time though.

It's rare I'll see a movie in the cinema more than once. Funnily enough, the last one I saw thrice was The Dark Knight, and one of those was at the IMAX.

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 25/7/2010 11:28:11 PM   
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I'm going for a 3rd time. Will be going to see it at the IMAX this time though.

It's rare I'll see a movie in the cinema more than once. Funnily enough, the last one I saw thrice was The Dark Knight, and one of those was at the IMAX.

Cue accusations of Nolan fanboy(not from me!).

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 26/7/2010 11:44:13 AM   
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I'm going for a 3rd time. Will be going to see it at the IMAX this time though.



The first time I saw it was in IMAX, and it's a whole other experience. You're in for a treat.

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 26/7/2010 11:47:07 AM   
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I saw it at Imax too - it's awesome. I really want to see it again, but looks like I'll have to go on my own if I do!

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 26/7/2010 12:44:22 PM   
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I'm going for a 3rd time. Will be going to see it at the IMAX this time though.



The first time I saw it was in IMAX, and it's a whole other experience. You're in for a treat.



Yeah you are! Bending cityscapes on a 70ft screen! Absolutely mind blowing. Not to mention that score on an IMAX sound system. LOUD! Lovely stuff. Inception has had me in a mental choke hold since Thursday. Need to go again as once is not good enough for such inspired work!

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 26/7/2010 5:18:17 PM   
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In Mombasa, when Cobb meets Eames in the casino, he picks up one of his chips, and says 'you never could spell properly'. Is it Eames' casino, or are they in Eams' dream?



was wondering about this. It was definitely a dream - when Cobb goes into the food hall and that guy starts shouting at him, you can see everyone looking at him, which means he was in someone else's subconscious. The only problem is trying to figure out whose subconscious (Eames? Saito?) he was in, and why... my head hurts.

Unrelated theory: I reckon Saito was a construct of Cobb's subconscious, a "forgery" like Fischer's godfather, which allowed Cobb to work through his guilt issues (hence the multiple references to catharsis throughout) or something. Probably explaining why Saito shared a number of lines with Mol.


I think it's another moment of 'tomfoolery' by Nolan in putting little red herrings along the way (like the closing walls). I put the bad spelling down to Eames being a forger in reality too, and hence Cobb is noticing this and relating it. If we were to be strict (which in this case isn't easy!), we see Eames speaking to the tail when Cobbs has already left which doesn't follow dream convention...


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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 27/7/2010 11:27:26 PM   
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I've been reading through all the theories whilst listening to the OST in hope of some insight into Inception. No luck - I'm simply more confused than I was.

I'm going to have to watch it again.

Has anyone seen it in IMAX and then a regular cinema? I'm worried that by 'de-grading' my cinematic experience I might not enjoy it as much on a second viewing.

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 12:09:44 AM   
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I've been reading through all the theories whilst listening to the OST in hope of some insight into Inception. No luck - I'm simply more confused than I was.

I'm going to have to watch it again.

Has anyone seen it in IMAX and then a regular cinema? I'm worried that by 'de-grading' my cinematic experience I might not enjoy it as much on a second viewing.

Stop-that's Cameron-esque!!!

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 10:46:41 AM   
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Right, this supposedly clears up a lot in terms of the actual time line of the film:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/07/27/infographic-inception-timeline/

Except it only serves to confuse matters further right? I’ve yet to see the film a second time but this depicts Cobb’s level as an actual dream layer. Cobb’s created space was Limbo. So this effectively depicts a limbo below limbo. Which actually only fans the flames of some of the theories, as opposed to clearing up any confusion?  Like I say, I’ve only seen the film once so far and that was my understanding of the limbo situation. If that seems incorrect please feel free to guide me towards the light

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 12:44:05 PM   
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This is AMAZING! Its genuinely a great observation; some guy has noticed that if you slow down Je Ne Regrette Rien (the Edith Piaf song used to wake the dreamers up), it basically is Hans Zimmer's score!

Here's a youtube comparison-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVkQ0C4qDvM

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 12:56:41 PM   
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Right, this supposedly clears up a lot in terms of the actual time line of the film:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/07/27/infographic-inception-timeline/

Except it only serves to confuse matters further right? I’ve yet to see the film a second time but this depicts Cobb’s level as an actual dream layer. Cobb’s created space was Limbo. So this effectively depicts a limbo below limbo. Which actually only fans the flames of some of the theories, as opposed to clearing up any confusion?  Like I say, I’ve only seen the film once so far and that was my understanding of the limbo situation. If that seems incorrect please feel free to guide me towards the light


I saw the graph last night and thought the same thing. Nothing but confusion.

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 1:03:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pete_traynor

Right, this supposedly clears up a lot in terms of the actual time line of the film:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/07/27/infographic-inception-timeline/

Except it only serves to confuse matters further right? I've yet to see the film a second time but this depicts Cobb's level as an actual dream layer. Cobb's created space was Limbo. So this effectively depicts a limbo below limbo. Which actually only fans the flames of some of the theories, as opposed to clearing up any confusion?  Like I say, I've only seen the film once so far and that was my understanding of the limbo situation. If that seems incorrect please feel free to guide me towards the light


I saw the graph last night and thought the same thing. Nothing but confusion.


It’s certainly doing the rounds! The Guardian just posted it too. I’m pretty sure it’s off with the Limbo situation. I think he’s interpreted Saito’s ocean as the only interpretation of Limbo. But I’m still fuzzy on what/where that actually was and need a second viewing for sure. But even with one viewing I thought it was clear that the city Limbo was Cobb’s and not a dream layer. Oh… the head aches are back again

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 1:05:40 PM   
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This is AMAZING! Its genuinely a great observation; some guy has noticed that if you slow down Je Ne Regrette Rien (the Edith Piaf song used to wake the dreamers up), it basically is Hans Zimmer's score!

Here's a youtube comparison-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVkQ0C4qDvM


Sharp tak! Quality to even think of doing that. Brilliant!

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 1:38:38 PM   
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Right, this supposedly clears up a lot in terms of the actual time line of the film:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/07/27/infographic-inception-timeline/

Except it only serves to confuse matters further right? I've yet to see the film a second time but this depicts Cobb's level as an actual dream layer. Cobb's created space was Limbo. So this effectively depicts a limbo below limbo. Which actually only fans the flames of some of the theories, as opposed to clearing up any confusion?  Like I say, I've only seen the film once so far and that was my understanding of the limbo situation. If that seems incorrect please feel free to guide me towards the light


I saw the graph last night and thought the same thing. Nothing but confusion.


It’s certainly doing the rounds! The Guardian just posted it too. I’m pretty sure it’s off with the Limbo situation. I think he’s interpreted Saito’s ocean as the only interpretation of Limbo. But I’m still fuzzy on what/where that actually was and need a second viewing for sure. But even with one viewing I thought it was clear that the city Limbo was Cobb’s and not a dream layer. Oh… the head aches are back again


I thought of limbo as a dream layer, just a deeper one.

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 2:01:59 PM   
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It's "unconstructed dream space" so yeah, I assumed it was another dream layer too.

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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 2:28:02 PM   
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This is pretty frakking cool.





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RE: Inception - Beware of Spoilers!! - 28/7/2010 2:37:07 PM   
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that graphic was essentially my understanding of the film/layers - i posted something to that effect a few pages back. To me, it makes more sense (at least it abides more by by the internal logic of the film) if the 'sand city' is Cobb's dream, with Limbo a separate, deeper layer where people go if they get killed in any of the dreams above.

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RE: Limbo - 28/7/2010 3:22:47 PM   
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But wait. They go there to get Fischer, who dies in the fort right. So has he therefore not slipped into Limbo from dying in such deep dream space? Which is why Mal has him. It’s the city Cobb and her created together and not one of the maps Ariadne has created for the job. I get that although unconstructed Limo is effectively a dream. But the level they have as Cobbs dream is in fact Limbo. The picture implies it is one of the planned layers before Limbo happens. That's wrong no?

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RE: Limbo - 28/7/2010 4:09:02 PM   
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Does anyone know if there's a definitive list of filming locations? I know some are sets in Bedfordshire, Saito's helicopter lands at Farnborough Airport etc but I'd love to know which beach and coastline is used for the limbo/Cobb's dream scenes etc.

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RE: Limbo - 28/7/2010 4:18:03 PM   
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Does anyone know if there's a definitive list of filming locations? I know some are sets in Bedfordshire, Saito's helicopter lands at Farnborough Airport etc but I'd love to know which beach and coastline is used for the limbo/Cobb's dream scenes etc.


This is as good a list as I can find at the moment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inception_(film)#Production 

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RE: Limbo - 28/7/2010 4:33:44 PM   
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But wait. They go there to get Fischer, who dies in the fort right. So has he therefore not slipped into Limbo from dying in such deep dream space? Which is why Mal has him. It’s the city Cobb and her created together and not one of the maps Ariadne has created for the job. I get that although unconstructed Limo is effectively a dream. But the level they have as Cobbs dream is in fact Limbo. The picture implies it is one of the planned layers before Limbo happens. That's wrong no?


Yeah, it doesn't quite add up does it? I took it that Fischer was not 'fully' dead, since Eames was able to resuscitate him. Cobb's dream was not planned as such, but he was able to dream it, whereupon he, Ariadne, and (nearly dead) Fischer were hooked up to go there to bring back Fischer. Mal was there cos Cobb had projected her in there. Aridane and Fischer 'kick back' by falling, Cobb gets stabbed, dies and goes to Limbo to find Saito, who has aged more since he's been there longer. I have a feeling a rewatch might scupper all that, but at least it follows the 'rules' of the film as presented.

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RE: Limbo - 28/7/2010 4:48:12 PM   
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But wait. They go there to get Fischer, who dies in the fort right. So has he therefore not slipped into Limbo from dying in such deep dream space? Which is why Mal has him. It's the city Cobb and her created together and not one of the maps Ariadne has created for the job. I get that although unconstructed Limo is effectively a dream. But the level they have as Cobbs dream is in fact Limbo. The picture implies it is one of the planned layers before Limbo happens. That's wrong no?


Yeah, it doesn't quite add up does it? I took it that Fischer was not 'fully' dead, since Eames was able to resuscitate him. Cobb's dream was not planned as such, but he was able to dream it, whereupon he, Ariadne, and (nearly dead) Fischer were hooked up to go there to bring back Fischer. Mal was there cos Cobb had projected her in there. Aridane and Fischer 'kick back' by falling, Cobb gets stabbed, dies and goes to Limbo to find Saito, who has aged more since he's been there longer. I have a feeling a rewatch might scupper all that, but at least it follows the 'rules' of the film as presented.


This is what I was struggling to remember after just the one viewing so far. In the fort they do use the dream machine to drop to a lower level? So it is there? But surely the architect built the machine into the design of the layers to drop further into Fischers subconscious from each dream. But the inception was always to be planted in the vault in Eames’ dream. Why is the machine there if that is the lowest they have to be for the actual inception to be performed. Potentially a fail safe should anyone be killed and need rescuing from Limbo? Need to stop thinking about this until at least the second viewing… but it won’t let my mind go

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RE: Limbo - 29/7/2010 7:32:17 AM   
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On the graph it shows the snow fortress as Eames' dream, but wasn't that dream Fischer's?

I thought they tricked him into going under by pretending it was Eames' forged Browning dream they where entering.

This was why the snow fortress was so heavily guarded and why it was so important that Eames' Browning dropped hints and phrases to Fischer in the first dream, as they needed to get into his sub-concious before reaching this level.

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RE: Limbo - 29/7/2010 9:58:04 AM   
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On the graph it shows the snow fortress as Eames' dream, but wasn't that dream Fischer's?

I thought they tricked him into going under by pretending it was Eames' forged Browning dream they where entering.

This was why the snow fortress was so heavily guarded and why it was so important that Eames' Browning dropped hints and phrases to Fischer in the first dream, as they needed to get into his sub-concious before reaching this level.

Or have I mised something


I can't be Fischers… I think? Only a dreamer who has been taught the map that the Architect has designed can dream a shared dream space, right?? But you raise a good point here. Why is the fortress so heavily fortified? The lower you go the more detached you become from reality. So in level one it makes sense that the subconscious would be far more alert and suspicious but Eames' dream is so far down that surely Fisher's subconscious would simply accept a presented scenario without trying to reject it so aggressively.  Jeez, my 2nd, 3rd and 4th watches can't come soon enough… need a slightly tighter grip on this. 

But as Eames, like Aurther and Usef, remains in the dream when others have moved on it must be his dream surely??

The hints were relating to the safe and that what was inside was of monumental importance to Fischer, I think. So, when he discovers the windmill his subconscious already feels that whatever is in the safe will literally be of the upmost importance, leaving no room for doubt in his mind. I believe the hints merely serve to fully cement the illusion that his happiness and individuality were the most important things to his dying father. I think...

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RE: Limbo - 29/7/2010 11:17:34 AM   
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On the graph it shows the snow fortress as Eames' dream, but wasn't that dream Fischer's?

I thought they tricked him into going under by pretending it was Eames' forged Browning dream they where entering.

This was why the snow fortress was so heavily guarded and why it was so important that Eames' Browning dropped hints and phrases to Fischer in the first dream, as they needed to get into his sub-concious before reaching this level.

Or have I mised something


I can't be Fischers… I think? Only a dreamer who has been taught the map that the Architect has designed can dream a shared dream space, right?? But you raise a good point here. Why is the fortress so heavily fortified? The lower you go the more detached you become from reality. So in level one it makes sense that the subconscious would be far more alert and suspicious but Eames' dream is so far down that surely Fisher's subconscious would simply accept a presented scenario without trying to reject it so aggressively.  Jeez, my 2nd, 3rd and 4th watches can't come soon enough… need a slightly tighter grip on this. 

But as Eames, like Aurther and Usef, remains in the dream when others have moved on it must be his dream surely??

The hints were relating to the safe and that what was inside was of monumental importance to Fischer, I think. So, when he discovers the windmill his subconscious already feels that whatever is in the safe will literally be of the upmost importance, leaving no room for doubt in his mind. I believe the hints merely serve to fully cement the illusion that his happiness and individuality were the most important things to his dying father. I think...


Then how is Fischer there?

Besides didn't Cobb and Arthur decide to use the Mr Charles character in the second level as a way to get Fischer to co-operate fully therefore getting into his sub-concious without him resisting and with the Browning in this level being a part of Fischer's sub-concious, and not Eames, he is made to believe that it is this sub-concious Browning's dream he is entering

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RE: Limbo - 29/7/2010 11:45:28 AM   
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On the graph it shows the snow fortress as Eames' dream, but wasn't that dream Fischer's?

I thought they tricked him into going under by pretending it was Eames' forged Browning dream they where entering.

This was why the snow fortress was so heavily guarded and why it was so important that Eames' Browning dropped hints and phrases to Fischer in the first dream, as they needed to get into his sub-concious before reaching this level.

Or have I mised something


I can't be Fischers… I think? Only a dreamer who has been taught the map that the Architect has designed can dream a shared dream space, right?? But you raise a good point here. Why is the fortress so heavily fortified? The lower you go the more detached you become from reality. So in level one it makes sense that the subconscious would be far more alert and suspicious but Eames' dream is so far down that surely Fisher's subconscious would simply accept a presented scenario without trying to reject it so aggressively.  Jeez, my 2nd, 3rd and 4th watches can't come soon enough… need a slightly tighter grip on this. 

But as Eames, like Aurther and Usef, remains in the dream when others have moved on it must be his dream surely??

The hints were relating to the safe and that what was inside was of monumental importance to Fischer, I think. So, when he discovers the windmill his subconscious already feels that whatever is in the safe will literally be of the upmost importance, leaving no room for doubt in his mind. I believe the hints merely serve to fully cement the illusion that his happiness and individuality were the most important things to his dying father. I think...


Then how is Fischer there?

Besides didn't Cobb and Arthur decide to use the Mr Charles character in the second level as a way to get Fischer to co-operate fully therefore getting into his sub-concious without him resisting and with the Browning in this level being a part of Fischer's sub-concious, and not Eames, he is made to believe that it is this sub-concious Browning's dream he is entering

To use an oft-repaeted quote on this thread...My head hurts


I assume Fischer is there because he is linked to the shared subconscious experience by the dream machine when they know him out on the plane?

Ah… I forgot about the Charles character. You may have something there. But the fortress dream continues when Fischer dies in it and descends to Limbo? If it’s his created dream space would it not cease to be? And if it's his dream how would Ariadne know of the short cut in the design?

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On the graph it shows the snow fortress as Eames' dream, but wasn't that dream Fischer's?

I thought they tricked him into going under by pretending it was Eames' forged Browning dream they where entering.

This was why the snow fortress was so heavily guarded and why it was so important that Eames' Browning dropped hints and phrases to Fischer in the first dream, as they needed to get into his sub-concious before reaching this level.

Or have I mised something


I can't be Fischers… I think? Only a dreamer who has been taught the map that the Architect has designed can dream a shared dream space, right?? But you raise a good point here. Why is the fortress so heavily fortified? The lower you go the more detached you become from reality. So in level one it makes sense that the subconscious would be far more alert and suspicious but Eames' dream is so far down that surely Fisher's subconscious would simply accept a presented scenario without trying to reject it so aggressively.  Jeez, my 2nd, 3rd and 4th watches can't come soon enough… need a slightly tighter grip on this. 

But as Eames, like Aurther and Usef, remains in the dream when others have moved on it must be his dream surely??

The hints were relating to the safe and that what was inside was of monumental importance to Fischer, I think. So, when he discovers the windmill his subconscious already feels that whatever is in the safe will literally be of the upmost importance, leaving no room for doubt in his mind. I believe the hints merely serve to fully cement the illusion that his happiness and individuality were the most important things to his dying father. I think...


Then how is Fischer there?

Besides didn't Cobb and Arthur decide to use the Mr Charles character in the second level as a way to get Fischer to co-operate fully therefore getting into his sub-concious without him resisting and with the Browning in this level being a part of Fischer's sub-concious, and not Eames, he is made to believe that it is this sub-concious Browning's dream he is entering

To use an oft-repaeted quote on this thread...My head hurts


I assume Fischer is there because he is linked to the shared subconscious experience by the dream machine when they know him out on the plane?

Ah… I forgot about the Charles character. You may have something there. But the fortress dream continues when Fischer dies in it and descends to Limbo? If it’s his created dream space would it not cease to be? And if it's his dream how would Ariadne know of the short cut in the design?

God, it’s finally happened… I think my brain has begun dribbling out of my ear



Good point, I can now see that it is Eames' dream....or is it?

I understand that Ariadne is the architect and as such can alter others dreamspaces as with her tutorial with Cobb, so she sets up a hospital hoping that Fischers sub-concious will fill in his father which he does but he also brings dozens of armed soldiers, becuase of his mental training. I think the short-cut was always there because Ariadne tries to show her plans Cobb but he refuses because Mal will then know, then shortly after she contacts Fischer to tell him of this shortcut Mal shows up

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