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Did Cobb not enter limbo before Saito (Saito died after Cobb and Ariadne went into the final dream stage).

Don't think so!
Cobb went after Saito when he dies(and into limbo) with Page, as his wife,part of his subconscious,is trying to sabotage the inception.

No he didn't, Cobb went after Fischer when HE died. Saito was still alive when Cobb went into limbo, he was given the task of covering Eames and protecting the 'sleeping' bodies of Cobb and Ariadne when the base was being attacked. He died just after throwing a grenade down a shaft, preventing the bad guys from getting in. Cobb even says to Ariedne in limbo that Saito would have died since they left, and thats why he's staying (to look for him).

Cobb and Ariadne initially went into limbo to save Fischer.

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Even though it was planted there to illicit an emotional response from Fischer, when he finds the windmill in the safe I was almost welling up. It was such a great moment and you have to remind yourself it's all staged!

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Did Cobb not enter limbo before Saito (Saito died after Cobb and Ariadne went into the final dream stage).

Don't think so!
Cobb went after Saito when he dies(and into limbo) with Page, as his wife,part of his subconscious,is trying to sabotage the inception.

No he didn't, Cobb went after Fischer when HE died. Saito was still alive when Cobb went into limbo, he was given the task of covering Eames and protecting the 'sleeping' bodies of Cobb and Ariadne when the base was being attacked. He died just after throwing a grenade down a shaft, preventing the bad guys from getting in. Cobb even says to Ariedne in limbo that Saito would have died since they left, and thats why he's staying (to look for him).

Cobb and Ariadne initially went into limbo to save Fischer.

Yeah,but Saito died too and entered Limbo-he was actually more important than Fischer,as even if the inception worked,there would be no pardon for Cobb.

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I watched Following last night. One of the leads is called Cobb. Coincidence?

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I watched Following last night. One of the leads is called Cobb. Coincidence?

In the Empire review I think Nev earmarks significance in the names for all of the characters (probably with the exception of Saito – although in fairness Sato was the villain in Karate Kid II lest we forget!) including Eames and Arthur (am I right in saying they derive from names of academics who researched sleep…stuff?), and Mal (“which means bad in French” – a bit limp that one) and Ariadne goes without saying.  I haven’t seen Following, but isn’t it the case that the Cobb in that is also a thief?

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Question: why didn't Fischer take a pirvate jet? He obviously had the money. I'm not asking to be a smart arse, I just wondered if I missed something..

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I do have one tiny niggling issue though... why is being trapped in limbo built up to be this horrible fate, possibly worse than death, when all you have to do to escape it is die, much like in a normal dream?? Perhaps I'm missing something here, can anyone shed any light on this for me please?!

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I do have one tiny niggling issue though... why is being trapped in limbo built up to be this horrible fate, possibly worse than death, when all you have to do to escape it is die, much like in a normal dream?? Perhaps I'm missing something here, can anyone shed any light on this for me please?!

Its because you don't know that you are in limbo. Its so far into the subconscious that you can't tell the difference. Saito's assertion that he remembers Cobb from "some half-remembered dream" suggests that Saito is so into his subconscious that that is his "real" world now, and the real-real world is remembered like we remember dreams.

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I haven't been able to properly process all the theories that are going on in here, but what I find interesting is that the film itself is using the idea of Inception to mess with all our heads in the way we're doing.

I just thought the film played out as straight forward as it appeared to be. That Cobb did wake up and get to return to his kids etc. I told my friend some of the theories on here and he thought the final scene was more of a cheeky "oh,oh" type thing rather than some of the more convoluted ideas being suggested.

However Nolan is a genius in that he's managed to make his film so ambiguous that he's planted this little seed of doubt in our heads that means we're all going to go back and watch that film and see it in a different light following all this.

Nolan himself would therefore appear to be a master of inception!

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I haven't been able to properly process all the theories that are going on in here, but what I find interesting is that the film itself is using the idea of Inception to mess with all our heads in the way we're doing.

I just thought the film played out as straight forward as it appeared to be. That Cobb did wake up and get to return to his kids etc. I told my friend some of the theories on here and he thought the final scene was more of a cheeky "oh,oh" type thing rather than some of the more convoluted ideas being suggested.

However Nolan is a genius in that he's managed to make his film so ambiguous that he's planted this little seed of doubt in our heads that means we're all going to go back and watch that film and see it in a different light following all this.

Nolan himself would therefore appear to be a master of inception!

I wouldn't call them convoluted. It is just a matter from what angle you are looking at the film from. I do think there is a very specific statement by Nolan about the filmmaker he is, and how his head works.

But the dream/not dream/who is being incepted can all be sustained by what you see in the film. I don't think Nolan is being playful, it is a statement on movies and what they can do, and how they play on peoples minds.

The ending is meant to be a jumping off of discussion and debate - it is the Inception on the audience that plants the idea of questioning what we have seen before.

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I haven't been able to properly process all the theories that are going on in here, but what I find interesting is that the film itself is using the idea of Inception to mess with all our heads in the way we're doing.

I just thought the film played out as straight forward as it appeared to be. That Cobb did wake up and get to return to his kids etc. I told my friend some of the theories on here and he thought the final scene was more of a cheeky "oh,oh" type thing rather than some of the more convoluted ideas being suggested.

However Nolan is a genius in that he's managed to make his film so ambiguous that he's planted this little seed of doubt in our heads that means we're all going to go back and watch that film and see it in a different light following all this.

Nolan himself would therefore appear to be a master of inception!

I wouldn't call them convoluted. It is just a matter from what angle you are looking at the film from. I do think there is a very specific statement by Nolan about the filmmaker he is, and how his head works.

But the dream/not dream/who is being incepted can all be sustained by what you see in the film. I don't think Nolan is being playful, it is a statement on movies and what they can do, and how they play on peoples minds.

The ending is meant to be a jumping off of discussion and debate - it is the Inception on the audience that plants the idea of questioning what we have seen before.

That's exactly what I was saying, or at least I thought that's what the bit in my own post I've highlighted was saying. Nolan has given us enough in the film to make us question it all at the very end.

And personally I do think he's being playful in that respect. Bit of a wry smile at the end.

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You organisational skills sicken me, Rhubarb.

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I've just been a second time, and first off, what a magnificent film it is. Genuinely, a fantastic achievement.

As for what I think happened - I think the top falls over after the credits roll and Cobb is in the real world. There are the random other bits, the repeated lines of dialogue, the walls that close in, etc, but I think they are red herrings laid by Nolan to make you think there is more to the film than what there is. But I do admire the film so much for being able to stand up on those levels - as clearly it does.

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I haven't been able to properly process all the theories that are going on in here, but what I find interesting is that the film itself is using the idea of Inception to mess with all our heads in the way we're doing.

I just thought the film played out as straight forward as it appeared to be. That Cobb did wake up and get to return to his kids etc. I told my friend some of the theories on here and he thought the final scene was more of a cheeky "oh,oh" type thing rather than some of the more convoluted ideas being suggested.

However Nolan is a genius in that he's managed to make his film so ambiguous that he's planted this little seed of doubt in our heads that means we're all going to go back and watch that film and see it in a different light following all this.

Nolan himself would therefore appear to be a master of inception!

I wouldn't call them convoluted. It is just a matter from what angle you are looking at the film from. I do think there is a very specific statement by Nolan about the filmmaker he is, and how his head works.

But the dream/not dream/who is being incepted can all be sustained by what you see in the film. I don't think Nolan is being playful, it is a statement on movies and what they can do, and how they play on peoples minds.

The ending is meant to be a jumping off of discussion and debate - it is the Inception on the audience that plants the idea of questioning what we have seen before.

That's exactly what I was saying, or at least I thought that's what the bit in my own post I've highlighted was saying. Nolan has given us enough in the film to make us question it all at the very end.

And personally I do think he's being playful in that respect. Bit of a wry smile at the end.

Sorry - was just backing you up, but also kinda defending why these convoluted theories are out there. And I am guilty of it as well, although I haven't really got any further ideas than the three I posted on the first page.

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Love the film, and loving some of theories on here - I'm gonna have to go see it again and put some of these theories to the test!
I do have one tiny niggling issue though... why is being trapped in limbo built up to be this horrible fate, possibly worse than death, when all you have to do to escape it is die, much like in a normal dream?? Perhaps I'm missing something here, can anyone shed any light on this for me please?!

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Cobb spins the top at the end just to check he's not actually dreaming, so wouldn't this tell him either way when he returns to it? If it's still spinning he'll know he's still dreaming. If not, he'll know it's reality. Does Michael Caine's character acknowledge the top?