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RE: Batman Chronology - 23/8/2011 10:03:20 PM

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I have to admit the guy does come across as a dick. Originally I liked his work, Gothic is one of my favourite stand alone Batman stories. Loved Batman and Son, R.I.P. and Batman and Robin but ROBW just went to wacky for me and I still don't have a clue what Final Crisis is about. Batman is at its best when its brutal and gritty not dealing with inter-dimensional beings and that shite.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 24/8/2011 9:50:37 AM

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By the way, has anyone seen the Gotham City Impersonators tie-in graphic novel? I flicked through it in Forbidden Planet, seemed pretty interesting. But very thin. Definitley not worth the �16.99 price label on it...

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RE: Batman F*cked Up Chronology! - 18/11/2011 3:59:27 PM

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Just a quick thought that popped into my head today. If Batman's entire career so far is now supposed to have occured over only 5 years...how is Damian 10 years old? They can try and bluff how Bats went through 4 or 5 different Robins in 5 years and yes they've made everyone a bit younger, but Damian is still stated as being 10 years old and Bats and Talia conceived him when Bruce was already Batman... so Bruce has to have been Batman for at least 10 years!

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RE: Batman F*cked Up Chronology! - 18/11/2011 4:18:24 PM

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On possible explanation is that Damian has been artificially aged by Talia. However, that's me just speculating but I think there was some reference to his genetics being altered...could be wrong though.

Other than that you're right though the time-line doesn't make sense.

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RE: Batman F*cked Up Chronology! - 18/11/2011 4:31:40 PM

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He was gentically enhanced and grown in an artificial womb after Talia almost lost him Son of the Demon but I don't think they mentioned him ever been artificially aged prior to the DCnU.

I try to ignore the newly messed up timeline as much as possible but I can't help it! It just irritates the crap out of me! I have enjoyed some of the new 52 comics but thats been down to the Batman comics doing what they've pretty much always been doing or new creative teams nothing much to do with the continuity being rebooted.

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RE: Batman F*cked Up Chronology! - 20/11/2011 8:59:58 PM

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Justice League takes place five years in the past but Batman has already been going for at least a little while in that first issue. So it's possible he's been around a bit longer which allows for more continuity to be shoved in.

Still, he must be exhausted.

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RE: Batman F*cked Up Chronology! - 24/11/2011 2:59:51 PM

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It's been stated by creators, I think, that Batman had been around for about five years before Justice League #1, but he was only an urban legend. So in my opinion Morrison's 15-year timescale has compressed to 10 years, which is still just about manageable.

Although I guess we'll have to retcon his meeting with Ra's al Ghul a little earlier in his career. Maybe we can incorporate a bit of the Nolan-verse, and have him meet Ra's and Talia whilst training, and that's when Damian is conceived?

I actually quite like that as a storyline...

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RE: Batman Chronology! - 19/4/2012 1:50:43 PM

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Is the new edition of Batman Birth of the Demon worth getting? I already have an original TPB of Son of the Demon.

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RE: Batman Chronology! - 19/4/2012 2:04:25 PM

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Is the new edition of Batman Birth of the Demon worth getting? I already have an original TPB of Son of the Demon.

I got the new edition, the contents are Son of the Demon, Bride of the Demon and Birth of the Demon.

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RE: Batman Chronology! - 19/4/2012 2:13:23 PM

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It's worth it for Birth Of The Demon alone, though the original GNs have been shrunk to fit TPB trim so the art suffers from weird compression on the first two, quite a bit. Like if you drew something on a balloon and then deflated it. The colours have nowere to go but into each other. But Birth Of The Demon is a perfect story and looks amazing.

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RE: Batman Chronology! - 19/4/2012 7:32:35 PM

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Yeah, my copy of Son of the Demon is wider than TPB standard.... hmmm that's put me off a fair bit now.

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RE: Batman Chronology! - 19/7/2012 9:40:39 PM

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Going back to Birth of the Demon, can anyone confirm where it best fits into continuity (without too much spoilers)?

I've seen it placed just before Batman: The Cult and also between A Lonely Place of Dying and Knightfall.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 22/7/2012 9:38:29 PM

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Looking at the list of Modern Batman stuff on Wiki, I've noticed some missing from the list. Is there any reason for this? Is it because they aren't considered canon? The ones I've noticed are:

Batman: Shaman
Batman: Fortunate Son
Batman: Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?
Batman: The Black Mirror
Batman: The Dark Knight Vol 1- Golden Dawn
Batman and Robin- Dark Knight, White Knight
Batman: Gotham Shall Be judged
Batman: Gates of Gotham
Batman Incorporated Vol 1

Then there are three listed as the New 52s. These are reprints, right? Do they fit into the canon or are they completely separate?

Batman Vol 1: The Court of Owls
Batman: Detective Comics Vol 1: Faces of Death
Batman and Robin Vol 1: Born To Kill

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RE: Batman Chronology - 22/7/2012 10:08:59 PM

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I haven't updated it in a while so some stuff could be misisng. Those last three titles are the new DCnU, not the Modern Era. Some things carry over but its not the same continuity. Also, at a glance, Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader? and Shaman aren't canon.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 23/7/2012 2:32:58 PM

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So, No Man's Land. Worth a read?

Vol 3 of the new Knightfall print isn't out till September so I'm missing a Batman tome this month. No Man's Land seems to fit the bill nicely although I've read varying opinions on the arc. Most are favourable but the negative ones are almost uniformly scathing.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 23/7/2012 3:11:12 PM

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The whole Cataclysm/No Man's Land arc was a great idea that became a bit bloated through all the spin-offs and crossover titles. At its heart is a brilliant story but one which, I feel, could have been told a lot quicker. Still, there are plenty of stand-out moments throughout the arc, and if you've got the stamina for all the tie-ins then go for it. The new versions of the TPB include the other titles while the old ones just concentrated on the Bat-titles, so if you are looking for the complete works make sure you get the latest editions! But as far as I know, they don't include the Cataclysm/Aftershock/Road to No Man's Land prequels, which you might want to hunt out before you start this for some background.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 23/7/2012 3:34:39 PM

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Yeah I had a quick look for the lead in titles but they're a bit on the expensive side for new copies. I think I'm going to order it and just fill in the backstory on various Wiki's as and when required.

I popped into my local WHSmith on Saturday and was tempted to buy A Death In The Family or Black Mirror. I nearly laughed my cock off when I saw they were charging �20+ each.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 23/7/2012 3:47:51 PM

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I thought No Man's land was a good story that just got far too bloated but I haven't read it for a while.

Cataclysm was around 16 parts and No Man's Land was around 80 so it's a big old saga!

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RE: Batman Chronology - 23/7/2012 4:23:58 PM

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I thought No Man's land was a good story that just got far too bloated but I haven't read it for a while.

Cataclysm was around 16 parts and No Man's Land was around 80 so it's a big old saga!

I'll give it a go I think. It's not as if Knightfall's a light read after all.

Still, 80 issues is a lot and most of the complaints tend to be of the same variety. Mainly that the Azrael thread of the story kills the momentum.

Fuck it, I've ordered it.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 23/7/2012 4:34:26 PM

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Having said that I'm now tempted to give it a re-read! Which ones did you get?

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RE: Batman Chronology - 23/7/2012 4:46:33 PM

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Volume 1 of the new edition.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 23/7/2012 4:51:49 PM

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Cheers.

That's actually quite tempting as I skimmed a lot of the tie-ins first time round.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 24/7/2012 10:59:37 AM

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I'm reading the No Man's Land arc for the first time through the new editions. I already know most of what happens but I'm still really enjoying it. Having the various spin off titles is actually a good idea as most contribute to the main story. Although the Azrael does go off onto a bit of a lame tangent in book 2 and there's a silly issue of Teen Titans that felt like I was reading The Beano. i bought the old Knightfall editions like a month before the news one were announced and I'm still angry about it. I'm also displeased with the fact that mere weeks after replacing my old copy of A Death in the Family, they re-release a newer edition that includes A Lonely Place of Dying, a story I've been trying to find for years! Bastards!

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RE: Batman Chronology - 24/7/2012 11:08:40 AM

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I'm reading the No Man's Land arc for the first time through the new editions. I already know most of what happens but I'm still really enjoying it. Having the various spin off titles is actually a good idea as most contribute to the main story. Although the Azrael does go off onto a bit of a lame tangent in book 2 and there's a silly issue of Teen Titans that felt like I was reading The Beano. i bought the old Knightfall editions like a month before the news one were announced and I'm still angry about it. I'm also displeased with the fact that mere weeks after replacing my old copy of A Death in the Family, they re-release a newer edition that includes A Lonely Place of Dying, a story I've been trying to find for years! Bastards!

The original comics came out about a year after I started buying Batman on a regular basis and I loved this story but I never managed to buy the two issues of Teen Titans first time around. I spent years trying to find them on eBay and finally got them last year! Happy days.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 6/8/2012 10:00:44 PM

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WOW what a great find this thread is for me!!! I have been looking for a good story arc list for Batman for a while now. I have found some ok ones. But there were always some serious inconsistancies in them or catch myself questioning the list and I don't even know anything about anything at this point. This is the list I was going off of www.batmantrades.com sorry my copy/paste button is broke. lol

Again I am very green to all of this and I keep coming across the word cannon. Does that mean main story? What exactly does it mean? So far I have read...

Year One
Shaman
Prey
Gothic
Venom
Year Two (which was awful)
Batman and the Monster Men
Batman and the Mad Monk
The Man Who Laughs

In that order I see now that going by your list it should be quite different. Is your list still pretty up to date? Again I am very thankful for finding it!

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RE: Batman Chronology - 6/8/2012 10:10:43 PM

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How about Snow? Thats next on my or the other list but I don't see it on yours. Im still a little giddy that I finally found a good list!!!

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RE: Batman Chronology - 7/8/2012 9:02:41 AM

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When it comes to Batman, "canon" is a very elastic term. A lot of the stories that are now famous were not necessarily intended to be canon but due to their success, they were added into the continuity. A lot of stuff like Prey, Shaman and Venom were originally printed in Legends of the Dark Knight, a title whose purpose was to present Batman stories by critically acclaimed creators but that didn't have to adhere to that era's Batman continuity. At the time, they were not canon. Now, they are.

And right now with the New 52, who the hell knows!? For Batman, I tend to just ignore it and enjoy any story on its own terms. I guess it's nice to have a sort of through-line for the character but it generally just leads to disagreements: Matt Wagner's 'Batman & the Monster Men/Mad Monk' were apparently supposed to tie into continuity (between Year One and Long Halloween) but some people don't accept that!

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RE: Batman Chronology - 16/8/2012 12:47:36 PM

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Quick question, if I'm just looking to read the "big" Bats titles, is there any problem going from Year One straight into The Long Hallowen and then Dark Victory? Cause that's what I've done (Currently halfway through Dark Victory). Does Haunted Knight come after Dark Victory?

The other Bats books I have are The Killing Joke, Hush, and Whatever Happened...? Books that can be read without really needing to know any/much backstory. Where does No Man's Land fit into that, and how many volumes are there after the one provided in the link up above. Also, where does a Death in the Family come in?

Sorry for all the questions.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 16/8/2012 6:28:32 PM

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I think you can read any of those books in any order, to be honest. They're all relatively self-contained. It's not like you won't be able to understand No Man's Land if you don't read The Long Halloween; the Batman comics just aren't set up like that.

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RE: Batman Chronology - 17/8/2012 1:05:53 PM

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That's what I've mostly done up til now, but I just wanted to gt the Robin stuff staright in my head to be honest.

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