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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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Yeah, but you pretty much hate everything. You're a film buff equivalent of Mullah Omar.

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The prosecution rests, your honour!

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Yeah, but you pretty much hate everything. You're a film buff equivalent of Mullah Omar.

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How many people here pre-judged Fast Five and Rise of the Planet of the Apes negatively before release?

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The prosecution rests, your honour!

Precisely.

Someone clearly didn't spot that "Ha-I've-Got-You!" observation and pre-emptive remark about being quoted out of context. I can't believe someone actually went to the bother of digging up that quote. Actually, I can. Take him down...

For the record and the benefit of point-scoring pedants everywhere, while I am not optimistic about the imminent Robocop and Starship Troopers remakes, I am curious and prepared to give them a chance. Robocop was so of its time (a satirical relic now of the 80s/Reagan era it so mercilessly skewered) that maybe now is a good time to satirically revisit themes of political corruption, economic meltdown and media excess - the internet, say! And while I think Verhoeven's Shtarship Troopersh is well nigh impossible to beat as satire (hilariously, even the plastic, 90210 cast were oblivious to the fact they were playing NAZIs and the giant bugs were the "good guys"!) I'm sure the jump suits will look cool if nothing else. And as someone just said, who thought Rise of the Planet of the Apes would be any good? The benefit of lowered expectations...?

There. Nitpick that!

(I'll save you the bother. There is a world of difference between not getting your hopes up and baldly predicting "this film WILL suck!")

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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The Robocop remake backlash is a bit unfair, it's made by a director who has made two (out of three, with Elite Squad 2 being The Wire in two hours set in Brazil) excellent films in his CV and is as much an unorthodox choice for the film as Verhoeven was. It could be good, especially as Elite Squad 2 had three excellent action sequences and a hell load of politics going on, and it still did them superbly well.

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The Robocop remake backlash is a bit unfair, it's made by a director who has made two (out of three, with Elite Squad 2 being The Wire in two hours set in Brazil) excellent films in his CV and is as much an unorthodox choice for the film as Verhoeven was. It could be good, especially as Elite Squad 2 had three excellent action sequences and a hell load of politics going on, and it still did them superbly well.

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The Robocop remake backlash is a bit unfair, it's made by a director who has made two (out of three, with Elite Squad 2 being The Wire in two hours set in Brazil) excellent films in his CV and is as much an unorthodox choice for the film as Verhoeven was. It could be good, especially as Elite Squad 2 had three excellent action sequences and a hell load of politics going on, and it still did them superbly well.

Away and boil yer heid. IMO  Bus 74 is a very self-conscious doc, Elite Squad was dreadful. The only reason 2 was better was in comparison.

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The Hobbit -

Looks absolutely dire is putting it mildly. As a huge fan of LotR this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of those films. Where's the darkness? Why is Aragorn son of Arathorn, Legolas and Sean Bean now a bunch of annoying dwarves and hobbits? Why is there jokes and dwarf 'comedy'?
Please do not give me the 'but it's a kids book and not LotR''. Make it an adult film then. Why put EXACTLY what's in the book on film. Have some balls and makes changes for a film adaptation of a book made 75 years ago.

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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No, it was excellent Mullah, and I didn't even see the first. Bus 174 was also great.

Oh and The Wire comparison came more for their reach in the drug trade more than anything. One being a film and the other a tv series is obviously a big difference between the two.

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No, it was excellent Mullah, and I didn't even see the first. Bus 174 was also great.

Oh and The Wire comparison came more for their reach in the drug trade more than anything. One being a film and the other a tv series is obviously a big difference between the two.

If you reference The Wire at least give it the credit of comparing it to something that tries to describe a city, a world - the state of a nation. Not an other drugs cop thingy because that just isn't The Wire. #stroppyhaton

I thought that phrase worked particularly well here though.

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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Haven't you been pre-judging Total Recall and Keith Lemon before seeing them?

Nope.


As for Keith Lemon... Well, I'd rather eat my own flesh than squander two of the precious hours I still have left on something which, on the balance of probabilities, I would be unlikely to enjoy. That was kind of a central point above - why waste time and money going to see something you simply know you won't like? Unless you're a masochist, or something.

I have no opinion one way or t'other about Keith Lemon: The Film. But it's reasonable to assume what to expect given his cretinous track record. My comments were about Leigh Francis. Who I know from bitter experience (geddit?) really is about as funny as the last series of Torchwood.

That deep-browed Homer ruled as his demesne.


TREK WARS

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Is Elite Squad the new Transformers 3 to The Wire's Citizen Kane?

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Is Elite Squad the new Transformers 3 to The Wire's Citizen Kane?

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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Haven't you been pre-judging Total Recall and Keith Lemon before seeing them?

Nope.


As for Keith Lemon... Well, I'd rather eat my own flesh than squander two of the precious hours I still have left on something which, on the balance of probabilities, I would be unlikely to enjoy. That was kind of a central point above - why waste time and money going to see something you simply know you won't like? Unless you're a masochist, or something.

I have no opinion one way or t'other about Keith Lemon: The Film. But it's reasonable to assume what to expect given his cretinous track record. My comments were about Leigh Francis. Who I know from bitter experience (geddit?) really is about as funny as the last series of Torchwood.

You say you don't pre-judge. Then you pre-judge.

Then you say you'd rather eat your own flesh than see Keith Lemon: The Film. Then you say you have no opinion one way or the other. (And the posts in the KL:TF review thread back this up...)

But, I'm one of the Unusual Suspects, so everything I say in genuine reply will get swept up in a "oh look, he's picking my posts apart" whine of suspiciously-interested disinterest. But you don't get wound up enough to post massive replies, so it's all gravy...

I really didn't have to nitpick your post. Everything was right there in one post, giving plenty of contradictory views.

I also don't see how me bemoaning a negative thread is different from you bemoaning a negative thread. Whether meant in jest or in the name of It's Only A Movie Light Hearted Japery or not, it's still a negative thread. And there have been so many of those recently it gets tiresome. Sure, my response in your thread was probably a little on the nose, but that happened to be the most recent in a spate of negative threads which is what inspired me to start the Reasons I Love Cinema thread.

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But whether you think it was succesful or not, the comparison is still apt. This was a film whose reach was not just the drug trade, towards the half of the film that even changes to cable, but corruption featured in a city called Rio, in a nation of Brazil, in a world where countries like Brazil or Indonesia exist. Whether you think it is shallow and poorly-made or not doesn't mean that the comparison on both media's ambitions isn't apt. In this case, The Wire comparison for the second film is apt and not just just stamping it on any film that has drugs and a slight social conscience in it.

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But whether you think it was succesful or not, the comparison is still apt. This was a film whose reach was not just the drug trade, towards the half of the film that even changes to cable, but corruption featured in a city called Rio, in a nation of Brazil, in a world where countries like Brazil or Indonesia exist. Whether you think it is shallow and poorly-made or not doesn't mean that the comparison on both media's ambitions isn't apt. In this case, The Wire comparison for the second film is apt and not just just stamping it on any film that has drugs and a slight social conscience in it.

I agree actually. I didn't think the Elite Squad films were entirely successful but I do think they shared similar intentions with Simon and co's series.

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The Hobbit -

Looks absolutely dire is putting it mildly. As a huge fan of LotR this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of those films. Where's the darkness? Why is Aragorn son of Arathorn, Legolas and Sean Bean now a bunch of annoying dwarves and hobbits? Why is there jokes and dwarf 'comedy'?
Please do not give me the 'but it's a kids book and not LotR''. Make it an adult film then. Why put EXACTLY what's in the book on film. Have some balls and makes changes for a film adaptation of a book made 75 years ago.

But, erm, it is isn't it?

Single Virgin Mod Candidate 2013

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To paraphrase the great man himself:

Vad3r won't go anywhere near this.

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The plot holes one was the one that I commented in-thread on, and that was pre-tty negative. Laboriously picking holes in films?

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The Hobbit -

Looks absolutely dire is putting it mildly. As a huge fan of LotR this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of those films. Where's the darkness? Why is Aragorn son of Arathorn, Legolas and Sean Bean now a bunch of annoying dwarves and hobbits? Why is there jokes and dwarf 'comedy'?
Please do not give me the 'but it's a kids book and not LotR''. Make it an adult film then. Why put EXACTLY what's in the book on film. Have some balls and makes changes for a film adaptation of a book made 75 years ago.

But, erm, it is isn't it?

And? Why should that stop a film being something entirely different?

I for one and pretty much everyone else doesn't want to watch a Middle Earth kids film.