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Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 1:24:40 PM   
Miles Messervy 007


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In here I'll explore pre-1920 cinema, an area which I have seen close to no films from. This will be divided in parts: pre-1900, 1900-1904, 1905-1909, 1910-1914, and 1915-1919.
I will also offer some profiles on important people, sometimes very short. I'll start in a few hours, as I have finished watching the pre-1900 films I intended to already.
Index:
Part I (pre-1900)
Eadweard Muybridge
Louis Le Prince
Thomas Edison's Company pre-1895
Lumière brothers
Étienne-Jules Marey
Émile Reynaud
Thomas Edison's Company post-1895
Georges Méliès
Early British Cinema
Alice Guy

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 1:32:33 PM   
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Google video search will be your friend - I certainly found it essential when tracking down shorts links, particularly early Chaplin and things like Artheme and his clarinet.

K2DVD has a lot of very very cheap DW Griffiths DVDs as well.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 1:41:24 PM   
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Does Caligari make it in? Cause I've seen some say it was 1919, others 1920. It's a great film anyway.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 1:43:36 PM   
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Sounds boring.




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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 2:43:50 PM   
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Google video search will be your friend - I certainly found it essential when tracking down shorts links, particularly early Chaplin and things like Artheme and his clarinet.

K2DVD has a lot of very very cheap DW Griffiths DVDs as well.
Good to know
swords, it's 1920 according to imdb which is my source
Fritzl, it is quite boring but the way I figure is the worst thing that can happen is that I'll be an expert on early cinema, and who knows, maybe I'll enjoy some of them...

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 3:28:18 PM   
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So no Caligari then? That means I'll have seen aprroximately none of them.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 3:49:36 PM   
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I'll try to include links to watch along

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 5:26:21 PM   
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things like Artheme and his clarinet.



Did you watch this?

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K2DVD has a lot of very very cheap DW Griffiths DVDs as well.


Wow! They are very cheap! What is the quality like?


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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 5:32:02 PM   
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It's a bit ricketty on the shorts - but that's the shorts. The R1 Masterpiece collection is the same. The features are fine - I've got 2 or 3 of them.

As for our shorts, I think I watched everrrrrything! The swallow bit was impressive - it made me feel slightly sick.



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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 5:34:48 PM   
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Sounds boring.





Keep up the good work with the insightful remarks and original pictures, there.


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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 5:37:29 PM   
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You only have 2 or 3? Did you realise they are reduced to $4.10US at the moment? Might be worth getting the others. (and thanks! I might pick up the features then )

And Yay for you watching Artheme That was easily my favourite bit as well. I still have about 80 to go from the shorts list

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 5:41:39 PM   
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Sounds boring.





Keep up the good work with the insightful remarks and original pictures, there.





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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 6:09:18 PM   
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They were under $4 when I bought them

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 6:14:15 PM   
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But $4 is still pretty damn good, especially when I was considering importing the Kino releases


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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 6:18:15 PM   
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It is - and their postage is reasonable and they are very reliable. Highly recommended.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 6:27:12 PM   
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I ordered them a few minutes ago (the 4 features they had) and I do like that as well the fact they use Paypal (it feels more secure), they allow you to fiddle the price for customs  But yes, the postage did seem very reasonably priced. I was expecting more than the films.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 10:34:18 PM   
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Let's start.

PART I (PRE-1900)

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Eadweard Muybridge’s Work

NOT ON IMDB
Photographs of various animals and humans in motion, which, when shown in a sequence, create a film. In a way Muybridge thus was the creator of cinema, even though he didn’t shoot on film.
Some examples (click the titles to watch):
Baboon
Race Horse in Motion
Animated Sequence of a Buffalo Galloping
Plate 007 (Walking)
Not films, I suppose, but still interesting. Muybridge himself was interesting as he murdered his wife’s lover and was acquitted. Dates start in 1878 (!), with the horse, that prompted the experiment, and continue throughout the 1880s. Read more about him here.


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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 11:13:24 PM   
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Fascinating stuff, Miles.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 12/4/2010 11:52:57 PM   
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I sense sarcasm More coming up in a few...

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 12:07:39 AM   
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Louis Le Prince

Even though the first film directors ever were Lumiere brothers, they were in fact preceded by another Frenchman. Muybridge may have been the first person to shoot photographs that would become films but Le Prince actually shot on a single lens camera and paper film. He only made 4 remaining films and only 2 of them in properly watchable quality. I present you what for all intents and purposes is the first film ever made:
Roundhay Garden Scene (1888, Louis Aimé Augustin Le Prince) – 2 sec imdb watch it here
If you think it's nothing special, you're right, even though I must sadly admit I sat through less interesting stuff (not even from a historical standpoint) than this already in my devotion to this project For a laugh watch the director's cut.

Without further ado, here's Le Prince's other surviving film:
Traffic Crossing Leeds Bridge (1888, Louis Aimé Augustin Le Prince) – 2 sec
imdb watch it here
I don't really need to review this - if you don't have two seconds to spare for the 2nd film ever made, I'm not sure what you're doing in this thread
Oh, and before I forget - Muybridge killed a man, but Le Prince topped that. He mysteriously disappeared from a Dijon-Paris train in September 1890 before he had a chance to exhibit any of his films. Read more about him here.


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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 9:48:12 AM   
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Just watched the two shorts from Le Prince. Interesting stuff.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 10:44:31 AM   
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I sense sarcasm More coming up in a few...


No, I genuinely wasn't being sarcastic. I know next to nothing about this sort of stuff. I was hoping the thumbs up smiley would show I was genuinely interested.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 10:47:30 AM   
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Cool Did you watch the films? I'll post the next entry very soon, and it will be pretty huge...

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 10:53:22 AM   
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I've not seen any from the second entry yet, but I watched the stop motion animals.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 11:52:48 AM   
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Thomas Edison, William K.L. Dickson, and William Heise

Thomas Edison is of course one of the most famous inventors of all time, and there are few areas of technology he hasn't influenced on one way or another. Film was no exception. Edison patented the sound recording and reproducing phonograph in 1878 and the next logical step would be to record and reproduce images. Quoting wiki:
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In 1888, American inventor and entrepreneur Thomas Alva Edison conceived of a device that would do "for the Eye what the phonograph does for the Ear". In October, Edison filed a preliminary claim, known as a caveat, with the U.S. Patent Office outlining his plans for the device. In March 1889, a second caveat was filed, in which the proposed motion picture device was given a name, the Kinetoscope. Dickson, then the Edison company's official photographer, was assigned to turn the concept into a reality.

Dickson invented the first practical celluloid film for this application and decided on 35 mm for the size, a standard still used.

This was followed up in 1891 by the Kinetoscope - a peep-hole viewing machine which exhibited films. Thus Lumiere brothers were the inventors of projecting films on a screen while the American public could only view Edison's company's films one at a time.
Having invented the equipment, Edison wasn't then personally involved in film production (though I'm going to put his name as director if none is credited on imdb, he owned the company after all). Dickson's partner became William Heise, who was the operator on most if not all Edison films of the time.

Monkeyshines 1-3 (1890, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 1 min altogether
imdb 1 2 3 watch here

Fooling around for the camera. You’ve got 99% of youtube videos for this, what do you need Dickson’s film for? Probably groundbreaking for its time, not so much now, of course, but interesting. Warning - the quality is crap.
One of the first films the company had ever produced.They followed up with these:

Men Boxing (1891, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson/William Heise) – 7 secs
imdb watch here
Don't believe the title.

Newark Athlete (1891, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 14 secs
imdb watch here
Like all really early cinema films, only interesting historically. Poor quality makes this a bizarre experience, like Monkeyshines.

Dickson Greeting (1891, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 3 secs
imdb watch here
First American film shown. A true auteur – Dickson stars, directs, and produces. Just a wave of a hand that makes cinema history.

Fencing (1892, Thomas Edison) – 2 secs
imdb watch here
Self-explicable, I hope. More exciting than Men Boxing and Dickson Greeting, I guess (not really).

A Hand Shake (1892, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson/William Heise) – 2 secs
imdb watch here
Only available in extremely poor quality. The two giants of early American Cinema (Dickson and Heise) shake hands. That’s it.




The most important of these films is thus Dickson Greeting. It was followed up by another three very significant films.

Blacksmith Scene (1893, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 29 secs
imdb watch here
This one's groundbreaking for two reasons. Not only is it pretty long by the day’s standards, it is also apparently the first film ever to feature actors playing a role. I like how laid-back the job seems to be according to the film.

Edison Kinetoscopic Record of a Sneeze (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 6 secs aka Fred Ott’s Sneeze
imdb watch here
Earliest film to be copyrighted in the US. That’s all that’s interesting about it, but what do you expect?

Dickson Experimental Sound Film (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 17 secs
imdb watch here
The first sound film ever features two men dancing! Shocking! Another groundbreaking film here, not much to say about it besides that. A violin, two men dancing (as mentioned above), and you’ve made the national film registry.



Another historical note - unlike Lumiere brothers, who either shot domestic scenes or crowds in the open, the Edison company tended to shoot inside their studio, and typically captured real-life performers on film. Here are some examples:

Annie Oakley (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 20 secs aka The 'Little Sure Shot' of the 'Wild West'
imdb watch here
Authentic sharpshooting. Nice.

Annabelle Serpentine Dance (1895, Wiliam Heise) – 1 min
imdb watch here
Twirling! Another performer immortalised by Edison’s film company. Not bad.

Sioux Ghost Dance (1894, Thomas Edison) – 21 secs
imdb watch here
Another interesting film, with the Indians from Buffalo Bill’s show performing the titular dance. The quality is poor, but the subject matter is more interesting than of most shorts of the time.

Buffalo Dance (1894, Thomas Edison) – 14 secs
imdb watch here
You can pretty much have a ditto. What stands out is how the Indians stare at the camera, which gives this a quite bizarre quality.

Souvenir Strip of the Edison Kinetoscope (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 40 secs aka Sandow: The Strong Man
imdb watch here
The ‘strongest man in the world’ poses for the camera. Instead of lifting a horse, or something, Sandow shows off his muscles, making this unintentionally hilarious.

Imperial Japanese Dance (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson/William Heise) – 28 secs
imdb watch here
That would have been pretty great in colour, looking at these costumes. As it stands, it’s still more interesting than most Edison performance films.

Caicedo (with Pole) (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 20 secs
imdb watch here
Like Annie Oakley, demonstrates a famous performer of the time on film. Is notable for being the first Edison film shot outdoors.

The Boxing Cats (Prof. Welton's) (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson/William Heise) – 20 secs
imdb watch here
Quite sadistic, but funny. The original cat video.

Annabelle Butterfly Dance (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 31 secs
imdb watch here
Not as good as the Serpentine Dance, I think, but still a curiosity.

Carmencita (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson) – 21 secs
imdb watch here
More dancing. Nothing special. The number it has on IMDB is pretty cool though.

The Barbershop (1894, Thomas Edison) – 40 secs
imdb watch here
This is actually only 20 secs but was exhibited back-to-back as a double for some reason. Just a quick barbershop scene (duh), quite animated (as in lively, not cartoon).

Corbett and Courtney Before the Kinetograph (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson/William Heise) – 9 secs
imdb watch here
A real boxing match featuring the world champion. Only a fragment of the original film which showed the whole match, but still pretty cool. Made huge profits in the states where boxing was prohibited, apparently.

Leonard-Cushing Fight (1894, William Kennedy Laurie Dickson/Wiliam Heise) – 37 secs
imdb watch here
Another boxing match, the first one Edison’s company ever filmed, and with more surviving footage. However, the boxers are not as famous, the quality is crap, and the frame rate screwed up which makes this seem slow-motioney. Not half as interesting as the other one.





Ooph. Next up: some Frenchmen, and then we'll come back to Edison's company post 1894.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 12:54:50 PM   
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This is raw, exciting cinema. The plot grips you and drags you in.

^That was sarcastic that time.

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 1:13:38 PM   
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I think I would have got it It will get less boring, promise Still, hope you've learnt something

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 1:49:58 PM   
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I still need to go through the films in part 3, so thanks for the links 

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 1:51:41 PM   
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Don't thank me, thank Lauren Since I'm finished with that I'll have the results of you-know-what up by this evening

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RE: Really Early Cinema Project - 13/4/2010 1:58:21 PM   
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I'm having this debate with Piles - I'm claiming these shouldn't be rated alongside other films, he says they should. Let's involve other people in this debate...

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