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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 11:49:43 AM   
matty_b


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You do realise what would happen if the Tories fail to oust Labour or get an overall majority though, don't you? They'd turn on Cameron and then who would step up to take over...Boris Johnson 

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 11:54:54 AM   
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It'd be interesting to see who the Lib Dems sided with in the event of a hung parliament. They're such an uneasy marriage of a party at the best of times - half to the left of Labour, half free-market libertarians, the consequences for their future would be huge. You'd think it would have to be Labour but they'd lose a fair amount of credibility either way.


I think the Lib Dems would naturally side with Labour at this time. There is real sense that under David "Call me Dave" Cameron they are still the 'same old Tories' and I think it is this as much as anything that would make the Lib Dems gravitate towards Labour. Not that it is an easy choice given the unpopularity of this Labour government.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 11:57:03 AM   
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When was the last time both main parties were so unappealing? 

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 12:10:51 PM   
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Hope has totally drained away over the last decade - what does it say about democracy in this country when the two main parties are so similar? 

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 12:15:51 PM   
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Bit of a different question but it's to do with Elections.

What do you guys think about that voting in a General Election should be made compulsory?

I hate seeing stats that say only 40% of people bothered voting. I know it's our freedom to vote or not to vote, but when I see other countries with people who want to vote and are not allowed to, or the voting is rig. I just feel it's such a waste for people not to vote in this country.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 12:16:50 PM   
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The thing that annoys me is that most people will only see it as a choice between the 2 main Parties. Nearly everyone I know will vote the same way, regardless of anything. My housemate has said he will always vote Labour even if there was another Party infinitely more able and qualified to take over (and he has a degree in politics ). My Mum would vote Tory even if the leader had horns, a tail and forked tongue. It baffles me.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 12:18:04 PM   
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Bit of a different question but it's to do with Elections.

What do you guys think about that voting in a General Election should be made compulsory?

I hate seeing stats that say only 40% of people bothered voting. I know it's our freedom to vote or not to vote, but when I see other countries with people who want to vote and are not allowed to, or the voting is rig. I just feel it's such a waste for people not to vote in this country.


I thinnk you should have to pass a test to vote. The public can't be trusted with anything

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 12:53:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jediwarrior

Bit of a different question but it's to do with Elections.

What do you guys think about that voting in a General Election should be made compulsory?

I hate seeing stats that say only 40% of people bothered voting. I know it's our freedom to vote or not to vote, but when I see other countries with people who want to vote and are not allowed to, or the voting is rig. I just feel it's such a waste for people not to vote in this country.


Not really something I'd want to see really. If people feel that there are no viable options for them amongst the candidates they're presented with then they should have the right to abstain, rather than have to pick the best of a bad lot.  

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 12:59:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Scruffybobby

quote:

ORIGINAL: jediwarrior

Bit of a different question but it's to do with Elections.

What do you guys think about that voting in a General Election should be made compulsory?

I hate seeing stats that say only 40% of people bothered voting. I know it's our freedom to vote or not to vote, but when I see other countries with people who want to vote and are not allowed to, or the voting is rig. I just feel it's such a waste for people not to vote in this country.


Not really something I'd want to see really. If people feel that there are no viable options for them amongst the candidates they're presented with then they should have the right to abstain, rather than have to pick the best of a bad lot.  


There is always the option of having a compulsory vote but including the option that you vote for no-one on the voting form. That way you keep peoples right to abstain from voting, but at the same time you almost certainly increase voter turnout therefore the legitimacy of the governments mandate. I don't know whether I agree with this or not (it's something I've never been able to make up my mind on) but if they were going to do it there would have to be an option for a vote for no-one, I believe that that is the case in Australia where they have compulsory voting.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 1:08:35 PM   
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I think the Lib Dems would naturally side with Labour at this time. There is real sense that under David "Call me Dave" Cameron they are still the 'same old Tories' and I think it is this as much as anything that would make the Lib Dems gravitate towards Labour. Not that it is an easy choice given the unpopularity of this Labour government.


I think you're probably right but it'd require the party to address cracks they have been papering over since the publication of The Orange Book in 2004. Clegg and several of his high-ranking allies are much stronger on what they would see as 'classical liberalism' than most within Labour, even post-Blair. They're pro-market-solutions, pro-tax-cuts, anti-big-government, and so on. All that finds a more natural fit with the Tories than with Labour. With Cameron's supposed move towards the same ground (economic liberalism without Victorian moralism) quite a significant percentage of the party might see it as a natural alliance. A large percentage, perhaps the majority, would run a mile from any partnership with the Conservatives though and i think that would make a Labour proposal more likely.

Fundamentally though, the Lib Dems have been coasting under Clegg without really needing to set out their political stall. They know they're going to pick up votes from natural Tory voters turned off by the 'nasty party' rump and from disaffected Labour voters complaining that the Blair / Brown years haven't been left-wing enough. It might result in a bump in the polls but it's not something you can build a long-term platform on.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 1:09:45 PM   
Fluke Skywalker


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Who you voting for Jess? 

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 1:17:45 PM   
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Labour, with a heavy heart. Diane Abbott could be worse, i suppose.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 1:29:57 PM   
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No way!!!!!!!!!!!


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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 1:35:03 PM   
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She could be Michael Portillo.

She has a majority of 7,500 so, either way, it's difficult to see her shifting.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 1:41:20 PM   
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Well we've got the joy of having Plaid Cymru being bulletproof where I live. They've been in since 1974 and usually get about 45-50% of the vote giving them a 5000-6000 majority over 2nd place (usually Labour with about 20-25%). I'm traditionally a Labour voter but I'm not going to bother this year (for the record if I did I'd go Lib Dems for a change). There really is no point in this constituency. I doubt Plaid will get ousted in my life time.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 2:06:43 PM   
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Just seen that the first Leaders Debate is on next Thursday 15th on ITV.

Shall be looking forward to that.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 4:18:41 PM   
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I don't know if anyone knows but there will be a General Election on May 6th, which is exactly one month today.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 4:33:25 PM   
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Shit I might not be in the country!!! Might have to do a postal vote - not sure how to go about it though

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 4:39:48 PM   
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50% on high earners is fair enough in this climate.


You silly fucking wanker....

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 4:40:08 PM   
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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 4:44:15 PM   
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50% on high earners is fair enough in this climate.


You silly fucking wanker....


I think Sinatra should be taxed at 80% for working in the City!!

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 4:49:24 PM   
Sinatra


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I do hate you very much!
Seriously though, the whole of the taxband system needs looking at... it's a dangerous game depending on 5% of the population for 60% of the tax revenues. But then, I'm bound to say that.  I read somewhere the other day that the population of high earners within this country is due to reduce substantially.


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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 4:52:53 PM   
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I think we should add an opinion poll to this thread!

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 5:04:38 PM   
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When was the last time both main parties were so unappealing? 


The last general election, I think...

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 5:11:01 PM   
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I think we should add an opinion poll to this thread!


I can predict the outcome now.... it's always the same.
Loads of students on here you know....

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 5:39:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan

quote:

ORIGINAL: jediwarrior

Bit of a different question but it's to do with Elections.

What do you guys think about that voting in a General Election should be made compulsory?

I hate seeing stats that say only 40% of people bothered voting. I know it's our freedom to vote or not to vote, but when I see other countries with people who want to vote and are not allowed to, or the voting is rig. I just feel it's such a waste for people not to vote in this country.


I thinnk you should have to pass a test to vote. The public can't be trusted with anything


As I said in a previous post I am of the opinion that the turnout is going to be in the high 20% this time due to massive apathy. I agree a test is needed maybe only the learned few should be allowed to vote, those with an IQ of 140 or above

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 5:42:03 PM   
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According to the majority of people on this thread, the LIb Dems will piss it. Bunch o' left wing commies

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 5:47:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sanchia


quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan

quote:

ORIGINAL: jediwarrior

Bit of a different question but it's to do with Elections.

What do you guys think about that voting in a General Election should be made compulsory?

I hate seeing stats that say only 40% of people bothered voting. I know it's our freedom to vote or not to vote, but when I see other countries with people who want to vote and are not allowed to, or the voting is rig. I just feel it's such a waste for people not to vote in this country.


I thinnk you should have to pass a test to vote. The public can't be trusted with anything


As I said in a previous post I am of the opinion that the turnout is going to be in the high 20% this time due to massive apathy. I agree a test is needed maybe only the learned few should be allowed to vote, those with an IQ of 140 or above


If it was up to me, it would only be the wealthy landowners that could vote.

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 5:57:05 PM   
sanchia


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And no women

Back to Victorian values

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RE: The General Election - 6/4/2010 7:27:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinatra

quote:

ORIGINAL: Your Funny Uncle

I think we should add an opinion poll to this thread!


I can predict the outcome now.... it's always the same.
Loads of students on here you know....


I suppose you're right but I just thought it would be nice to see a brief view of who would win an Empire Election

I'm voting Conservative.....


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