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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:08:34 PM   
Darth Marenghi

 

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I believe what the reviewer said was that when it comes to the science fiction/fantasy genre, black people are GENERALLY less interested than most demographics. He then pointed out that NOT ALL black people aren't interested in sci-fi, but generally the 'urban community' don't rush out to the likes of Star Trek or Star Wars.



Even that's probably a sweeping generalisation on the RLM bloke's part (unless there's been some research into these demographics).


Isn't he at best describing the interest in a genre in one of the cultures in the US (which in some way, African Americans might, maybe might, be placed under, they're quite different then the black people in the UK, as different as a man from Utah is from a man from Aberdeen) rather then BLACK PEOPLE FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS AND SHIT ALL OVER THE PLANET. He's also trying to guess why Jackson's casting is there and is being very snarky on Lucas for thinking in such a way. There's also that what Plinkett says has occasionally be taken with a pinch of salt. There's also places where sci-fi is snubbed and the skin is white but such subtleties are lost on Phubbs.


Well, this is the thing - I've never really bothered with RLM, so I wouldn't know if he was saying it "in character" but Timon seemed to be suggesting this was a serious point Plinkett was attempting to make. Also it was perfectly obvious I was talking about African-Americans, your fatuous use of all caps was wholly unnecessary.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:11:29 PM   
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+10 points for using the word 'fatuous'. Genuinely one of my favourite underrated adjectives.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:12:11 PM   
Deviation


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I believe what the reviewer said was that when it comes to the science fiction/fantasy genre, black people are GENERALLY less interested than most demographics. He then pointed out that NOT ALL black people aren't interested in sci-fi, but generally the 'urban community' don't rush out to the likes of Star Trek or Star Wars.



Even that's probably a sweeping generalisation on the RLM bloke's part (unless there's been some research into these demographics).


Isn't he at best describing the interest in a genre in one of the cultures in the US (which in some way, African Americans might, maybe might, be placed under, they're quite different then the black people in the UK, as different as a man from Utah is from a man from Aberdeen) rather then BLACK PEOPLE FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS AND SHIT ALL OVER THE PLANET. He's also trying to guess why Jackson's casting is there and is being very snarky on Lucas for thinking in such a way. There's also that what Plinkett says has occasionally be taken with a pinch of salt. There's also places where sci-fi is snubbed and the skin is white but such subtleties are lost on Phubbs.


Well, this is the thing - I've never really bothered with RLM, so I wouldn't know if he was saying it "in character" but Timon seemed to be suggesting this was a serious point Plinkett was attempting to make. Also it was perfectly obvious I was talking about African-Americans, your fatuous use of all caps was wholly unnecessary.


My deepest apologies there, I did not mean the caps to be aimed at you, definitely not, but at the way Phubbs' was arguing.

It's kinda hard to see what RLM means and doesn't in that show. With the reviews there is satire going on and Timon could have the right perception

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:13:38 PM   
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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:14:49 PM   
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My deepest apologies there, I did not mean the caps to be aimed at you, definitely not, but at the way Phubbs' was arguing.



Ah, I see. No worries, dude - apology accepted.


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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:35:53 PM   
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Hey guys did you see the news about...wait what the hell went on here?

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:41:30 PM   
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The thread was invaded by some non-indigenous posts, taking away the rights and women of the on topic posts.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:44:49 PM   
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How we all doing in the Multicultural League of Justice grand hall? The United Force of Liberal supermen .


It amuses me that Phubbs is attempting to be all 'pally' and ironic with us now that he's had his bottom handed to him.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:47:13 PM   
Deviation


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Ah, I see. No worries, dude - apology accepted.


Thanks, and again, sorry for that, I should have made my patronizing intentions clearer and better write who they were meant for.

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The thread was invaded by some non-indigenous posts, taking away the rights and women of the on topic posts.


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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:48:24 PM   
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The thread was invaded by some non-indigenous posts, taking away the rights and women of the on topic posts.


That's only half the story. Mixed race mops moved here from Bulgaria because the BBC said they could claim benefits from the NHS, they stole all the white women and then voted for Obama who went on to play Sam Jackson in Star Wars.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:49:25 PM   
Deviation


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Really though, as steffols said, there are a modicum of relevant points referring to serious problems in Phubbs posts, it's infuriating they get lost under all the stupidity.

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That's only half the story. Mixed race mops moved here from Bulgaria because the BBC said they could claim benefits from the NHS, they stole all the white women and then voted for Obama who went on to play Sam Jackson in Star Wars.


Kicking out Slavics out of the white race I see.

Hitler would be proud (even if Bulgaria were part of the Axis OH WHO CARES I'M CALLING YOU HITLER)

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:50:28 PM   
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The thread was invaded by some non-indigenous posts, taking away the rights and women of the on topic posts.


That's only half the story. Mixed race mops moved here from Bulgaria because the BBC said they could claim benefits from the NHS, they stole all the white women and then voted for Obama who went on to play Sam Jackson in Star Wars.




Oh and Dev got banned. Or had a post deleted. I'm not sure which.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:53:18 PM   
Deviation


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I am indeed banned. This is a ghost profile.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 4:54:05 PM   
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Oh and Dev got banned.


If only, right.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 5:08:32 PM   
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Official racist people on this forum power rankings

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Lol!! You've been outed and exposed, apparently, you racist lol!!

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 5:49:26 PM   
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Does anyone know where I can find a good facepalm gif?

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 5:51:57 PM   
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Does anyone know where I can find a good facepalm gif?



It's not a good facepalm gif unless it's from Star Trek.








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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 5:52:29 PM   
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Does anyone know where I can find a good facepalm gif?




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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 5:53:32 PM   
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Does anyone know where I can find a good facepalm gif?



It's not a good facepalm gif unless it's from Star Trek.









Your multiculturalism sickens me.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 5:54:18 PM   
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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 5:57:45 PM   
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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 6:08:35 PM   
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Can we start calling Professor Moriarty "Empire's brave Professor Moriarty"?

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 7:09:53 PM   
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Taking a serious note, there does need to be an intelligent debate about immigration and capacity of the finite sources of this country to cope with it as indeed there are some parts of the country where there are problems due to lack of integration and strain on resources due to rapid population growth which can be a problem (although in my experience most immigrants do tend to try to integrate). However, when you have people who rely upon using the term "liberal" as an insult (it meaning someone who favours progress or reform and is favourable to freedoms of the individual) then the debate is pretty much eliminated at that point as what is their point. When someone relies upon stereotype and generalisation rather than verifiable and provable fact then that too makes the debate pointless as they have nothing to argue with so make things up or apply the actions of a small population to a whole which is also pointless.

Sadly there are far too many out there who do such and they are generally the type of people who deny people are British even if they are third or fourth generation. Rationale, intelligent, debate supported by fact is required not half truths painted with a liberal (there's that word again) layer of rhetoric and stereotype as the opponents tend to have such a want to do.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 8:22:38 PM   
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Taking a serious note, there does need to be an intelligent debate about immigration and capacity of the finite sources of this country to cope with it as indeed there are some parts of the country where there are problems due to lack of integration and strain on resources due to rapid population growth which can be a problem (although in my experience most immigrants do tend to try to integrate). However, when you have people who rely upon using the term "liberal" as an insult (it meaning someone who favours progress or reform and is favourable to freedoms of the individual) then the debate is pretty much eliminated at that point as what is their point. When someone relies upon stereotype and generalisation rather than verifiable and provable fact then that too makes the debate pointless as they have nothing to argue with so make things up or apply the actions of a small population to a whole which is also pointless.

Sadly there are far too many out there who do such and they are generally the type of people who deny people are British even if they are third or fourth generation. Rationale, intelligent, debate supported by fact is required not half truths painted with a liberal (there's that word again) layer of rhetoric and stereotype as the opponents tend to have such a want to do.


The problem I think is that it appears that a sensible debate on the subject may be impossible, since for many it seems such an emotive issue. And the way it is presented in the media certainly doesn't help. Last year the Telegraph ran a banner headline announcing that 370,000 immigrants were claiming out-of-work benefits, a figure sure to alarm those of a certain persuasion. Except, the report made no mention of how many of those claims were perfectly legitimate, based on contributions made previously. The reader was essentially left to assume that they were somehow fraudulent. Further study reveals that over half of them were now UK citizens (not a process that happens overnight), and that approximately only 2% of the non EEA immigrant claims were considered fraudulent. This of course ignores the fact that many studies have shown immigrants to be on average far less dependant on benefits than UK nationals anyway.

There is also scare-mongering about the country being 'taken over' (yes you, Phubbs), yet you rarely hear much in the media about the 391,000 UK migrants to Spain in 2011 (a modest estimate, and of people who are entitled to reciprocal benefits themselves). Or how many of the migrants to the UK are students etc. Again, we are left to assume they are piling in from the east, presumably just to feast on benefits. Germany, Spain, Belgium, Sweden and Austria all have a higher % of foreign-born population, while France, Holland and Greece are only fractionally behind the UK. Equally, the UK's net migration figures are lower than Italy, Portugal, Spain, and not much higher than Denmark or Greece. In other words, probably somewhere just slightly north of the EU average.

The fact is, while any immigration system can always be improved, UK migration is not as out of control as many are lead to believe. And using London as proof of how out of control it is ridiculous - it is a Capital and a world city. Such cities across the world typically have high numbers of immigrants (New York, Paris, Sydney, LA etc all have very high immigrant populations).

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 8:36:14 PM   
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Also the claims with regards to benefits immigrants are eligible for are often overstated if not grossly overblown which usually can be down to one or two cases applied to the whole by the media which people buy into without actually researching the reality behind the claims.

There is an interesting study on immigration HERE

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 30/1/2013 10:34:44 PM   
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It amuses me that Phubbs is attempting to be all 'pally' and ironic with us now that he's had his bottom handed to him.


Bottom handling? Cool, we're onto the queers now.

I can't stand them and you just wait until that damn Barrowman runs for PM, they'll be all flouncing their way to the ballot box.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 31/1/2013 8:32:40 AM   
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Actually I did read somewhere (newspaper probably, can't remember when) that there are large numbers of foreign students 'lost' in the UK. In other words people had come over as students (unsure if they genuinely were or not, I'm sure most were) and disappeared into the country, the Home Office or whoever can't track them down haha!. Apparently coming over as a student is an easy way into the UK for obvious reasons.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 31/1/2013 8:52:31 AM   
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Actually I did read somewhere (newspaper probably, can't remember when) that there are large numbers of foreign students 'lost' in the UK. In other words people had come over as students (unsure if they genuinely were or not, I'm sure most were) and disappeared into the country, the Home Office or whoever can't track them down haha!. Apparently coming over as a student is an easy way into the UK for obvious reasons.



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RE: The British Politics Thread - 31/1/2013 10:18:35 AM   
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Actually I did read somewhere (newspaper probably, can't remember when) that there are large numbers of foreign students 'lost' in the UK. In other words people had come over as students (unsure if they genuinely were or not, I'm sure most were) and disappeared into the country, the Home Office or whoever can't track them down haha!. Apparently coming over as a student is an easy way into the UK for obvious reasons.


Haha yeah right I mean who would ever do that 'lost students' that's hilarious we're all bona fide UK citizens here on this forum



No but seriously stop with the racism. "we are being bred out"? jesus christ man

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 31/1/2013 10:49:42 AM   
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How we all doing in the Multicultural League of Justice grand hall? The United Force of Liberal supermen .


The sandwiches are nicer than the Myopic Racist League grand hall.


Yeah, the fillings leave a less bitter taste in your mouth, and nobody sees fit to rant if you happen to like your sandwiches made from Kingsmill 50/50 bread.

As for the whole "Sam L Jackson in Star Wars" discussion, I seem to recall an interview with the man around '96 (on TFI Friday if memory serves) in which he announced that he really wanted to work with Lucas, following which the part of Mace Windu was created for him.  Now, was George's decision taken to appease or attract a particular movie-going demographic?  Or maybe was it, you know, that having the name of a respected, high-profile and recently Oscar-nominated actor associated with your planned movie might actually be beneficial in attracting (a) investors and (b) the general non-fanboy movie-going public to the project?   And why does a particular scene in Chasing Amy keep running through my head?

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