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RE: The British Politics Thread - 16/1/2013 8:53:08 AM   
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How did offering Police officers the higher rate of pay increase standards?

Surely the most common situation would be, as when they bumped nurses starting pay, people applying for the higher pay levels rather than because they wanted to serve the public.
I can't see someone who really wants to work in the Police (or Nursing for that matter) being put off because the starting pay has dropped, especially with the Police when they can see start on 22K if they've already done community policing.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 16/1/2013 9:09:26 AM   
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As I've heard said several times since yesterday, even Maggie knew enough to keep the filth onside . I think it's fair to say a move like this isn't exactly going to discourage 'Plebgates' and tabloid backhanders. Unless of course the idea is simply to run the service down completely so they'll appear justified in selling it off bit by bit, in which case this is a smart move.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 16/1/2013 9:45:34 AM   
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As I've heard said several times since yesterday, even Maggie knew enough to keep the filth onside . I think it's fair to say a move like this isn't exactly going to discourage 'Plebgates' and tabloid backhanders. Unless of course the idea is simply to run the service down completely so they'll appear justified in selling it off bit by bit, in which case this is a smart move.


I believe this is their intention. To run down public services until they're a shadow of what they were and privitise them for all their mates.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 16/1/2013 11:58:52 AM   
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quote:

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As I've heard said several times since yesterday, even Maggie knew enough to keep the filth onside . I think it's fair to say a move like this isn't exactly going to discourage 'Plebgates' and tabloid backhanders. Unless of course the idea is simply to run the service down completely so they'll appear justified in selling it off bit by bit, in which case this is a smart move.


I believe this is their intention. To run down public services until they're a shadow of what they were and privitise them for all their mates.



Pass the crack pipe, I think you've had enough.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 16/1/2013 12:06:34 PM   
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Although they have already started privatising the probation service (which is a pretty important thing) so not such a stretch of the imagination when you have evidence to support the suppostiion.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 16/1/2013 12:45:43 PM   
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Although they have already started privatising the probation service (which is a pretty important thing) so not such a stretch of the imagination when you have evidence to support the suppostiion.


Just give me the nod when OCP take over the police force.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 16/1/2013 1:22:56 PM   
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Although they have already started privatising the probation service (which is a pretty important thing) so not such a stretch of the imagination when you have evidence to support the suppostiion.


Just give me the nod when OCP take over the police force.


You've misspelt G4S

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 16/1/2013 2:49:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Flatulent_Bob


quote:

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Although they have already started privatising the probation service (which is a pretty important thing) so not such a stretch of the imagination when you have evidence to support the suppostiion.


Just give me the nod when OCP take over the police force.


You've misspelt G4S


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RE: The British Politics Thread - 16/1/2013 6:30:54 PM   
sanchia


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there are also ongoing consultations regarding privatisation of the Court Service and the Prison Service. Surrey police last year were looking at the possibility of a partial privatisation of police service although did not go ahead with it.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 23/1/2013 7:14:17 PM   
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So Trish buckles to the fringe. The great continental Hokey-Cokey continues apace.

Alex Salmond is so chuffed he's forgotten to find a microphone.

Scotland, so Nicola "Yes Minister" Sturgeon says, is a European country - and not just geographically. Polls kind of reflect that. Europe's not really an issue up here. UKIP are even more peripheral. The major parties - not including the Tories, obviously - are all pro-European containing no rabid pinstripes with a persecution complex.

What of stability? What of certainty? What of the known? Dear God, will someone think of the Markets? Those jittery wealth creators must be mair timrous than Rabbie's wee beastie.

Vote no in the independence referendum and, well, who knows? Good old comfy UK, where nothing changes... er, aye, well, hmmm.



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RE: The British Politics Thread - 23/1/2013 7:39:09 PM   
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Vote Yes and no one knows either - the issue of Scotland and EU membership is not yet resolved.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 23/1/2013 8:28:10 PM   
boaby

 

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Vote Yes and no one knows either - the issue of Scotland and EU membership is not yet resolved.



Quite. Though it wasn't long ago that unionists in the media and on boards such as these were arguing that the only way to ensure being in the EU was to vote No. The union was a comfy chair. Might be old, bit frayed round the edges maybe, not exactly an Eames lounger, but by Jove you know what it is and where it'll be. Now we don't.

Also, the uncertainty regarding Scotland and the EU is more regarding whether we'll be in with the deals we have now, or whether we'll be in soon with newly negotiated deals. Trish is saying to Angie and co. "gimme enough so that I can campaign for a yes, or else I'm phucked and the UK - or whatever we'll be called - is off.

Maybe Trish'll throw the General Election.

Incidentally, Madeleine Albright's old advisor and international lawyer was quoted as saying Scotland - and whatever the rest calls itself - would be seen as a successor state and wouldn't have to re-apply. I don't read the Mail, Telegraph, Times, Sun, Star, Express but I'd be surprised if that made their pages.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 23/1/2013 9:14:43 PM   
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Well I suppose we should listen to Albrights assistant more than to the President of the Commission....

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 23/1/2013 11:07:52 PM   
boaby

 

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Well I suppose we should listen to Albrights assistant more than to the President of the Commission....


Hold on, has Barroso resolved what is unresolved? Or when you said it was not resolved did you mean something else?

Me? I always mean what I type. Always. Except when I don't.

Besides, support for independence is down to 23% apparently. And Salmond's found a microphone. Joy.

When will people learn that I know best - even better than Albright's professorial assistant - and just let me run things? Otherwise the world's doomed. Dooooooooomed.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 23/1/2013 11:13:18 PM   
Rgirvan44


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quote:

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quote:

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Well I suppose we should listen to Albrights assistant more than to the President of the Commission....


Hold on, has Barroso resolved what is unresolved? Or when you said it was not resolved did you mean something else?

Me? I always mean what I type. Always. Except when I don't.

Besides, support for independence is down to 23% apparently. And Salmond's found a microphone. Joy.

When will people learn that I know best - even better than Albright's professorial assistant - and just let me run things? Otherwise the world's doomed. Dooooooooomed.


He has said that Scotland would need to re-apply - and then SG said they would go off and tell him what is what. Which I am sure he would just love.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 24/1/2013 1:00:16 AM   
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No. Really? Barroso said that? So that's what that was in the papers and on the telly and on the radio. I thought he was talking about a different member of the UK. Wales or somewhere. I'm sure the Iberian's view has nothing to do with Spain desperately trying to hold onto Catalonia.

I've no idea who SG is, but good for them. Someone needs to tell those pesky Europeans what's what... what? What did I say? Me? Sounding like a Tory? How frightful.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 24/1/2013 3:15:52 AM   
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No. Really? Barroso said that? So that's what that was in the papers and on the telly and on the radio. I thought he was talking about a different member of the UK. Wales or somewhere. I'm sure the Iberian's view has nothing to do with Spain desperately trying to hold onto Catalonia.



I'm confused, when did Portugal (Barroso is Portuguese) and Spain become so immensely close that they became one country?

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 24/1/2013 6:45:29 AM   
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Dear God, will someone think of the Markets? Those jittery wealth creators must be mair timrous than Rabbie's wee beastie.



The markets won't give a twopenny shit about something which may or may not happen 2-3 years into the future.
You'll not see any reaction to it whatsoever on the markets.




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RE: The British Politics Thread - 24/1/2013 6:51:53 AM   
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Not necessarily true Bob. Quite often potential changes can have an impact upon the market well in advance. It is not so much that but potential trading etc, which may be hit as 50% of trade is with the EU and if there is uncertainty regardign those trading conditions then possibly long term contracts may not be made etc. However, it is too early to tell.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 24/1/2013 6:58:29 AM   
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Not necessarily true Bob. Quite often potential changes can have an impact upon the market well in advance. It is not so much that but potential trading etc, which may be hit as 50% of trade is with the EU and if there is uncertainty regardign those trading conditions then possibly long term contracts may not be made etc. However, it is too early to tell.


Entirely true Sanchia, when we get closer to the vote, and only if the result is less than certain, you will see a reaction but that is at least 3 years away.
Boabys post suggested that the jittery markets would react immediately in some horrible way, looking at the FTSE yesterday they haven't even blinked.

Good to see Ed make a right fudge of trying to score a political point on the issue. Saying Labour wouldn't give the pubic a vote may be the biggest win for the Tories in this.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 24/1/2013 11:24:06 AM   
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Apologies Sanchia, it appears it has reacted. I just noticed that the FTSE broke 6200 this morning.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 24/1/2013 9:28:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: boaby


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Well I suppose we should listen to Albrights assistant more than to the President of the Commission....


Hold on, has Barroso resolved what is unresolved? Or when you said it was not resolved did you mean something else?

Me? I always mean what I type. Always. Except when I don't.

Besides, support for independence is down to 23% apparently. And Salmond's found a microphone. Joy.

When will people learn that I know best - even better than Albright's professorial assistant - and just let me run things? Otherwise the world's doomed. Dooooooooomed.


The European Commission confirmed to Nicola Sturgeon by letter that Barroso wasn't commenting on a specific situation, far less Scotland's situation. But we all knew that anyway, because they cannot and will not comment on a hypothetical situation and can only respond to a specific scenario presented to them by a member state, which was also confirmed in said letter to Nicola Sturgeon.

Linkage - http://www.scotreferendum.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CAB08_0122142752_001.pdf

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 25/1/2013 5:25:59 PM   
sanchia


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Apologies Sanchia, it appears it has reacted. I just noticed that the FTSE broke 6200 this morning.


Wait until Monday then you will see a reaction (probably more to do with a potential triple dip recession though, which even Nick Clegg has stated may be partially their fault for cutting too much too rapidly).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21193525

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 25/1/2013 9:11:13 PM   
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quote:

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Apologies Sanchia, it appears it has reacted. I just noticed that the FTSE broke 6200 this morning.


Wait until Monday then you will see a reaction (probably more to do with a potential triple dip recession though, which even Nick Clegg has stated may be partially their fault for cutting too much too rapidly).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21193525



There was a report back in the second half of 2012. Many retailers took on extra staffs they couldn't afford, believing the economy would grow and the shops would later be able to keep them. However what we just saw was contraction in December. The busiet period for retail sales and the economy strunk?
It was predictable we would go back into a triple dip recession and see contraction starting in January. Afterall January is the weakest retail period of the year. There nothing more to add other than clubbing George Osbourne to death. A banker was sent to jail for losing a bank billions however George Osbourne only saw 0.5% growth under his policies. Some of that success was down to the London Olympics so how bad would Britian be if Paris had won the rights for 2012 games and not us? He's doing something right to keep his job but most of the British public isn't seeing it.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 25/1/2013 9:15:56 PM   
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He knows where the bodies are buried seems to be the best guess of why Osbourne is keeping his job.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 25/1/2013 9:58:23 PM   
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End of the day there are areas that need investments and would be benefical in the long term. George Osbourne isn't giving enough of them a go ahead. Some of these current construction projects happening around the country was given the green light by the former labour Government and no doubt George Osbourne wouldn't give them a go ahead. However seriously how hard is it to build another runway? If George Osbourne haven't got the balls to do something like that and also restrict budget airline flights within the UK then there is your problem.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/1/2013 9:02:38 AM   
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It does appear from the report, as Ghidorah stated, that the only times of growth related to projects started by the prior government which had reached fruition in the last year. I am far from a fan of the prior government but I wonder if this bunch are going to admit that as they keep blaming the prior government for every single financial ill out there (which is getting a bit old now and is only partially true at this stage in their own government)?

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/1/2013 1:09:01 PM   
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No. Really? Barroso said that? So that's what that was in the papers and on the telly and on the radio. I thought he was talking about a different member of the UK. Wales or somewhere. I'm sure the Iberian's view has nothing to do with Spain desperately trying to hold onto Catalonia.



I'm confused, when did Portugal (Barroso is Portuguese) and Spain become so immensely close that they became one country?


I'm confused, did I say that?

Of course your question could more properly have concluded with the word "again".

Catalonia is the wealthiest region of Spain and is the region through which the vast majority of land traffic passes between Iberia and the rest of Europe. Spain's youth unemployment is over 50%. I'd imagine that Portugal might be an easy migratory destination if Spain should get even poorer. I think, for various half-formed reasons, that Portugal would rather there were no upheaval in their next door neighbours and would rather they didn't get any poorer. I think what are my half-formed thoughts more often occupy the minds of those more immediately involved.

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RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/1/2013 1:16:03 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Dear God, will someone think of the Markets? Those jittery wealth creators must be mair timrous than Rabbie's wee beastie.



The markets won't give a twopenny shit about something which may or may not happen 2-3 years into the future.
You'll not see any reaction to it whatsoever on the markets.





Really? But the unionists in their bluster about having an immediate Scottish referendum were endlessly noting the squeaky bums of the markets as they considered the suspense of not knowing for 2-3 years whether Scotland would be independent or not. I merely assumed - as did some news networks, and those opposed to a EU plebiscite - that there'd be plenty tuneful wealthy sphincters at the notion of not knowing whether the UK would be in the EU in 4 years time.


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RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/1/2013 1:54:16 PM   
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No. Really? Barroso said that? So that's what that was in the papers and on the telly and on the radio. I thought he was talking about a different member of the UK. Wales or somewhere. I'm sure the Iberian's view has nothing to do with Spain desperately trying to hold onto Catalonia.



I'm confused, when did Portugal (Barroso is Portuguese) and Spain become so immensely close that they became one country?


I'm confused, did I say that?

Of course your question could more properly have concluded with the word "again".

Catalonia is the wealthiest region of Spain and is the region through which the vast majority of land traffic passes between Iberia and the rest of Europe. Spain's youth unemployment is over 50%. I'd imagine that Portugal might be an easy migratory destination if Spain should get even poorer. I think, for various half-formed reasons, that Portugal would rather there were no upheaval in their next door neighbours and would rather they didn't get any poorer. I think what are my half-formed thoughts more often occupy the minds of those more immediately involved.


The secessionists might sensibly take on board that the impact of Scottish seccession from the Uk might also be viewed differently to the UK redrawing its relationship with the EU. Particularly as many do think that some of the EU structures do need a reassessment so, in the short term, the work pre that referendum might be positive?


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