Register  |   Log In  |  
Sign up to our weekly newsletter    
Follow us on   
Search   
Forum Home Register for Free! Log In Moderator Tickets FAQ Users Online

RE: The British Politics Thread

  		Logged in as: Guest
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [On Another Note...] >> News and Hot Topics >> RE: The British Politics Thread Page: <<   < prev  162 163 [164] 165 166   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/6/2012 9:19:36 AM   
Flatulent_Bob


Posts: 7790
Joined: 30/9/2005

quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan

I'd rather have 13 years of incompetence where the poor and vulnerable were looked after, people had jobs, deprived areas were regenerated, the NHS was invested in and we had decent relations with the rest of the world. 2 Years of this bunch of clowns make the Labour government look like the epitome of statesmanship, which would be bad enough

That seems to be quite a rose tinted memory you have of the previous 13 years. Plus you do have to factor in that the 13 years of incompetence and over spending have a bearing on where we are now.
Its quite easy to throw (or waste) money in that way when you are spending like its going to last forever.

quote:


but they didn't even receive a mandate from the people to govern in the first place.

Well that isn't true at all is it?

_____________________________

I'm your huckleberry...

All the world will be your enemy, Prince of a Thousand enemies. And when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you; digger, listener, runner, Prince with the swift warning. Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed.


Oh my God! They banned Kenny!


(in reply to superdan)
Post #: 4891
RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/6/2012 1:37:34 PM   
Fluke Skywalker


Posts: 9540
Joined: 23/4/2006
From: the dark side of the sun
 The Tories are being Tories - the Lib Dems should be hung, drawn and quartered

On another note PFIs are now bankrupting NHS trusts - fucking Nu Labour, the truth is they are all c**ts!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/26/nhs-trust-debt-tory

< Message edited by Fluke Skywalker -- 26/6/2012 1:41:19 PM >

(in reply to Flatulent_Bob)
Post #: 4892
RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/6/2012 2:38:49 PM   
Flatulent_Bob


Posts: 7790
Joined: 30/9/2005
Give Spaldron an hour and he'll have a highly amusing photoshopped picture blaming Cameron.

_____________________________

I'm your huckleberry...

All the world will be your enemy, Prince of a Thousand enemies. And when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you; digger, listener, runner, Prince with the swift warning. Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed.


Oh my God! They banned Kenny!


(in reply to Fluke Skywalker)
Post #: 4893
RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/6/2012 2:41:57 PM   
Spaldron


Posts: 10487
Joined: 6/10/2006
From: Chair
quote:

ORIGINAL: Flatulent_Bob

Give Spaldron an hour and he'll have a highly amusing photoshopped picture blaming Cameron.


I don't need to.

_____________________________

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.

(in reply to Flatulent_Bob)
Post #: 4894
RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/6/2012 4:23:22 PM   
superdan


Posts: 7227
Joined: 31/7/2008

quote:

ORIGINAL: Flatulent_Bob


quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan

I'd rather have 13 years of incompetence where the poor and vulnerable were looked after, people had jobs, deprived areas were regenerated, the NHS was invested in and we had decent relations with the rest of the world. 2 Years of this bunch of clowns make the Labour government look like the epitome of statesmanship, which would be bad enough

That seems to be quite a rose tinted memory you have of the previous 13 years. Plus you do have to factor in that the 13 years of incompetence and over spending have a bearing on where we are now.
Its quite easy to throw (or waste) money in that way when you are spending like its going to last forever.


I suppose it may well be rose tinted, but even if it is it's no more inaccurate than the assertion that the 13 years of Labour rule were nothing but incompetence. And the country isn't in the state it's in financially due to the welfare budget, as I'm sure you know. By European standards our welfare spend is modest.

quote:


quote:


but they didn't even receive a mandate from the people to govern in the first place.

Well that isn't true at all is it?


Just because both parties made a devils agreement to form a majority in the House in order to rule together doesn't mean they have a mandate from the people. How many would change their vote (for either party) had they known what was going to happen? I suspect that for the Lib Dems certainly, it would be a significant number.

(in reply to Flatulent_Bob)
Post #: 4895
RE: The British Politics Thread - 26/6/2012 5:05:45 PM   
sanchia


Posts: 16711
Joined: 3/1/2006
From: Norwich
quote:

ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker

The Tories are being Tories - the Lib Dems should be hung, drawn and quartered

On another note PFIs are now bankrupting NHS trusts - fucking Nu Labour, the truth is they are all c**ts!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/26/nhs-trust-debt-tory


Although at the same time and to be fair the PFI initiative was a legacy of the prior Tory government which the Smiler (Transmetropolitan link there) carried on when he adapted Labour into a Tory clone.

_____________________________

Nothing to see here.



(in reply to Fluke Skywalker)
Post #: 4896
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 3:24:15 AM   
NinjaShortbread212


Posts: 4542
Joined: 26/4/2011
From: Edinburger, Scottyland
 Anyone catch this fail of an interview?

Click

_____________________________

Art

(in reply to sanchia)
Post #: 4897
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 4:00:51 AM   
Spaldron


Posts: 10487
Joined: 6/10/2006
From: Chair
quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

Anyone catch this fail of an interview?

Click


One of the finest Newsnight moments in recent years. Skip straight to 6:20 to enjoy the useless Tory bint get torn a new one by Paxman.

If this doesn't convince you of how horrendously incompetent and opportunistic Gideon's department is then you're an idiot.

_____________________________

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.

(in reply to NinjaShortbread212)
Post #: 4898
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 4:53:23 AM   
Lazarus munkey


Posts: 1651
Joined: 20/3/2006
From: out of nowhere
quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron


quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

Anyone catch this fail of an interview?

Click


One of the finest Newsnight moments in recent years. Skip straight to 6:20 to enjoy the useless Tory bint get torn a new one by Paxman.

If this doesn't convince you of how horrendously incompetent and opportunistic Gideon's department is then you're an idiot.

And this makes it unique in political departments under any party how?

_____________________________

"Because I got the answers"

Last 5 seen
Chronicle 4/5
The Amazing Spider-Man 3/5
Young Adult 4/5
21 Jump Street 4/5
The Apartment 5/5

(in reply to Spaldron)
Post #: 4899
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 6:36:03 AM   
sanchia


Posts: 16711
Joined: 3/1/2006
From: Norwich
 Sadly very true. however, I have had the misfortune of meeting her and she speaks like that even when not being interviewed,

_____________________________

Nothing to see here.


Post #: 4900
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 9:01:38 AM   
elab49


Posts: 51612
Joined: 1/10/2005
Having had a very early night I've just watched that - it really is horrendous. I'd caught I think a video conference with her on Channel 4 news and she seemed to be floundering but it's very clear from this that

a) the decision was taken unexpectedly no more than a couple of hours before it was announced, given the papers issued to MPs at 12.30
b) the cost of the impact was different in the budget and when they didn't want to do it, to the cost now (the C4 interview was focussing on where the uncosted change would come from - refusal to answer and bluster)
c) this politician was wholly unprepared. She tried to do the new sarcastic response thing they try with Newsnight and looked and idiot, and because this was so clearly an offthecuff change they couldn't prep for press - at one point she bluffly tells Paxman to go ahead at which point he quotes to her something they said last month which was the oppposite of what they said today - and you can actually see the flash of panic in her eyes as she then gulps some water to try and give herself time to come up with some crap to respond to.

I'd almost tend to career over for that one - it was more than just the usual ignore the question and answer what you want, it's too badly handled a change and this minister drew the short straw in having to sell it - she looked beyond incompetent. And the cynical part was, I think the Treasury were hoping that because it was a young woman it would either go easier or there would be more sympathy if she was torn apart because they knew there was no defence to back up their competence other than a bit of honesty and they had no intention of going that way. They threw an incompetent to the lions - that's more cynical than any of the names she'll be called for that performance.


_____________________________

Lips Together and Blow - blogtasticness and Glasgow Film Festival GFF13!

Films watched 2012

What are your top 10/25 films of 2012? Vote in the forum Annual Poll now! Deadline is Sunday.

(in reply to sanchia)
Post #: 4901
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 9:53:25 AM   
Lazarus munkey


Posts: 1651
Joined: 20/3/2006
From: out of nowhere
 Oh, that was painful to watch. I almost felt sorry for her.

_____________________________

"Because I got the answers"

Last 5 seen
Chronicle 4/5
The Amazing Spider-Man 3/5
Young Adult 4/5
21 Jump Street 4/5
The Apartment 5/5

(in reply to elab49)
Post #: 4902
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 9:57:55 AM   
elab49


Posts: 51612
Joined: 1/10/2005
And that, I am disgusted to say, was exactly the response the Tories were hoping for. Decent people reacting in the decent way

_____________________________

Lips Together and Blow - blogtasticness and Glasgow Film Festival GFF13!

Films watched 2012

What are your top 10/25 films of 2012? Vote in the forum Annual Poll now! Deadline is Sunday.

(in reply to Lazarus munkey)
Post #: 4903
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 10:06:31 AM   
Lazarus munkey


Posts: 1651
Joined: 20/3/2006
From: out of nowhere
quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

And that, I am disgusted to say, was exactly the response the Tories were hoping for. Decent people reacting in the decent way

I doubt that this is the case. That damaged them much more than the usual well-prepared, evasive and "I'll answer the question that I want to" shtick.

_____________________________

"Because I got the answers"

Last 5 seen
Chronicle 4/5
The Amazing Spider-Man 3/5
Young Adult 4/5
21 Jump Street 4/5
The Apartment 5/5

(in reply to elab49)
Post #: 4904
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 10:16:54 AM   
elab49


Posts: 51612
Joined: 1/10/2005
I think this is different - there are no answers they could give. As Mason laid out at the start of the piece - at 12.30 the line they were being told to take was still Labour being hypocrites. It wasn't discussed at Cabinet that morning.

They didn't want to have to say that the decision was taken on the fly barely a couple of hours before they went ahead. They didn't want to say why the cost fell from £1.5bn when they didn't want to do it to £0.5bn when they did. They didn't want to say they couldn't answer anything about the money because Osborne/Campbell seem to have taken an off-the-cuff decision giving no time for prep, analysis or even checking if they'd made statements a few weeks earlier saying exactly the opposite.

This wasn't standard fluff they needed because there were too many yes/no/what's the date questions that would be asked because it wasn't something they could fluff on policy. It was too embarrasing and short-notice a decision.

So they hung her out to dry and hoped that would be the story. I genuinely can't see it any other way. Go forth and screw yourself over for the good of the party sweetie, we promise you'll see your reward. You know - in about 20-30 years when people forget how useless you are.

< Message edited by elab49 -- 27/6/2012 10:17:33 AM >

_____________________________

Lips Together and Blow - blogtasticness and Glasgow Film Festival GFF13!

Films watched 2012

What are your top 10/25 films of 2012? Vote in the forum Annual Poll now! Deadline is Sunday.

(in reply to Lazarus munkey)
Post #: 4905
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 12:37:06 PM   
Fluke Skywalker


Posts: 9540
Joined: 23/4/2006
From: the dark side of the sun
 Jersey threatens independence due to crackdown on tax avoidance - the question is how exactly is this harmful to Britain?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/26/jersey-threatens-independence-tax-backlash

(in reply to elab49)
Post #: 4906
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 1:52:44 PM   
elab49


Posts: 51612
Joined: 1/10/2005
I thought Jersey was to all intents and purposes given its citizenship restrictions. I have no issue with removing Crown Dependency status so we have no responsibility for them. At the moment it just seems to want the benefit of being British while acting like a dodgy tax haven, so to hell with 'em. 

_____________________________

Lips Together and Blow - blogtasticness and Glasgow Film Festival GFF13!

Films watched 2012

What are your top 10/25 films of 2012? Vote in the forum Annual Poll now! Deadline is Sunday.

(in reply to Fluke Skywalker)
Post #: 4907
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 1:58:11 PM   
jon5000


Posts: 1087
Joined: 29/3/2007
From: LA
quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

I thought Jersey was to all intents and purposes given its citizenship restrictions. I have no issue with removing Crown Dependency status so we have no responsibility for them. At the moment it just seems to want the benefit of being British while acting like a dodgy tax haven, so to hell with 'em. 




How dare you.

(in reply to elab49)
Post #: 4908
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 2:04:44 PM   
NinjaShortbread212


Posts: 4542
Joined: 26/4/2011
From: Edinburger, Scottyland
quote:

ORIGINAL: sanchia

Sadly very true. however, I have had the misfortune of meeting her and she speaks like that even when not being interviewed,



Jings, how on earth did she bag the job and who the heck sent her to be taken apart by Pax!? Also, he wasn't even being as brutal as he could have been.

Apparently she called him a "cunt" after the interview.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lazarus munkey

Oh, that was painful to watch. I almost felt sorry for her.



Embarrassingly painful, indeed. The part were she starts to choke a bit is just priceless though.

_____________________________

Art

(in reply to sanchia)
Post #: 4909
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 2:56:37 PM   
Chief


Posts: 7012
Joined: 30/9/2005
From: The Kingdom, Scotland
quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

I thought Jersey was to all intents and purposes given its citizenship restrictions. I have no issue with removing Crown Dependency status so we have no responsibility for them. At the moment it just seems to want the benefit of being British while acting like a dodgy tax haven, so to hell with 'em. 


But, but, what about our cheap games and DVD's?

(in reply to elab49)
Post #: 4910
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 2:59:51 PM   
Flatulent_Bob


Posts: 7790
Joined: 30/9/2005
Good to see the mirror keeping quality journalism going on the Chloe Smith story.

quote:


8. She loves life drawing and once posed nude herself

9. Chloe would love to draw tennis player Rafael Nadal in the buff


_____________________________

I'm your huckleberry...

All the world will be your enemy, Prince of a Thousand enemies. And when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you; digger, listener, runner, Prince with the swift warning. Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed.


Oh my God! They banned Kenny!


(in reply to NinjaShortbread212)
Post #: 4911
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 3:14:10 PM   
clownfoot


Posts: 7738
Joined: 26/9/2005
From: The ickle town of Fuck, Austria
quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

Apparently she called him a "cunt" after the interview.



The key word being 'apparently'...

_____________________________

Evil Mod 2 - Hail he who has fallen from the sky to deliver us from the terror of the Deadites!

http://www.thepixelempire.net/index.html
http://clownfootsinversemidas.blogspot.com/

(in reply to NinjaShortbread212)
Post #: 4912
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 4:01:22 PM   
Spaldron


Posts: 10487
Joined: 6/10/2006
From: Chair
quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot


quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

Apparently she called him a "cunt" after the interview.



The key word being 'apparently'...


I bet she did though....

_____________________________

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.

(in reply to clownfoot)
Post #: 4913
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 4:04:31 PM   
jonson


Posts: 8068
Joined: 30/9/2005

quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot


quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

Apparently she called him a "cunt" after the interview.



The key word being 'apparently'...


Nah, the key word is "cunt", surely?

_____________________________

I've got all the Barbie ones!!!

Yeah but you're old. Really old. Old. Old. Old. Old.

(in reply to clownfoot)
Post #: 4914
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 4:09:23 PM   
boaby

 

Posts: 2788
Joined: 29/12/2006
From: Aberdeenshire
 I'm surprised they didn't send Beaker to take the hits. He's usually the human flak jacket.

Tory ineptitude. Who'd have thunk it?

_____________________________

"Aberdonians, and with some degree of purpose and right on their side, have absolute contempt for Glasgow. There is a side of Aberdonians who, let's be absolutely honest about this, feel so superior to Glasgow that you can measure it by the yard."

(in reply to jonson)
Post #: 4915
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 4:35:43 PM   
elab49


Posts: 51612
Joined: 1/10/2005
quote:

ORIGINAL: jonson


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot


quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

Apparently she called him a "cunt" after the interview.



The key word being 'apparently'...


Nah, the key word is "cunt", surely?


But the key target would be the coward that deliberately sent her out without ammunition. Surely?


_____________________________

Lips Together and Blow - blogtasticness and Glasgow Film Festival GFF13!

Films watched 2012

What are your top 10/25 films of 2012? Vote in the forum Annual Poll now! Deadline is Sunday.

(in reply to jonson)
Post #: 4916
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 5:13:14 PM   
superdan


Posts: 7227
Joined: 31/7/2008
Isn't she meant to be one of the rising stars of the Tory party? Maybe she's rubbed someone up the wrong way and they decided to throw her to the wolves, because she didn't stand a chance last night.

(in reply to elab49)
Post #: 4917
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 5:14:21 PM   
elab49


Posts: 51612
Joined: 1/10/2005
I guess they didn't have enough time to find something new on Warsi to throw to the press instead. They run out of stuff on her to cover their backs during Leveson 

_____________________________

Lips Together and Blow - blogtasticness and Glasgow Film Festival GFF13!

Films watched 2012

What are your top 10/25 films of 2012? Vote in the forum Annual Poll now! Deadline is Sunday.

(in reply to superdan)
Post #: 4918
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 5:23:38 PM   
DancingClown


Posts: 3574
Joined: 8/1/2006
From: The Lot
 But surely she should be capable of defending government policy? There's a lot of condescending stuff out there as well, along the lines of "oh, poor helpless woman". Surely she has no-one to blame but herself?

_____________________________

Astronomic Tune Boy

'The town knew darkness, and darkness was enough.'

"Storm just bleeewwww me away..."

(in reply to elab49)
Post #: 4919
RE: The British Politics Thread - 27/6/2012 5:45:30 PM   
elab49


Posts: 51612
Joined: 1/10/2005
Absolutely - but my bet is they were banking on the latter.

And also - my bad. Breaking news - Warsi again!


_____________________________

Lips Together and Blow - blogtasticness and Glasgow Film Festival GFF13!

Films watched 2012

What are your top 10/25 films of 2012? Vote in the forum Annual Poll now! Deadline is Sunday.

(in reply to DancingClown)
Post #: 4920
Page:   <<   < prev  162 163 [164] 165 166   next >   >>
All Forums >> [On Another Note...] >> News and Hot Topics >> RE: The British Politics Thread Page: <<   < prev  162 163 [164] 165 166   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


 
Movie News  |  Empire Blog  |  Movie Reviews  |  Future Films  |  Features  |  Video Interviews  |  Image Gallery  |  Competitions  |  Forum  |  Magazine  |  Resources
 
Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

0.125