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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 7/8/2012 1:31:02 PM   
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I got a 3D TV weekend just gone and i am officially now a total convert. Even watching my 2D blus converted to 3D looks good, let alone the ones that are designed to be in 3D which look AMAZING. Hugo completely blew me away in 3D (have watched it twice in 2D before watching it in 3D and the 3D was immense).

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 7/8/2012 2:09:39 PM   
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As long as I always have the choice to see 2D over 3D I dont care to much!. I think 3D at the cinema is an overated, overpriced and a hideous experience. 

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 7/8/2012 3:00:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD

I got a 3D TV weekend just gone and i am officially now a total convert. Even watching my 2D blus converted to 3D looks good, let alone the ones that are designed to be in 3D which look AMAZING. Hugo completely blew me away in 3D (have watched it twice in 2D before watching it in 3D and the 3D was immense).


Loving Michael Bay movies.Hating Christopher Nolan movies, and now you are fully endorsing 3D!

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 7/8/2012 3:04:16 PM   
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I got a 3D TV weekend just gone and i am officially now a total convert. Even watching my 2D blus converted to 3D looks good, let alone the ones that are designed to be in 3D which look AMAZING. Hugo completely blew me away in 3D (have watched it twice in 2D before watching it in 3D and the 3D was immense).


I always found 3D TVs far better than 3D cinema as well. Probably because you can manoevre yourself into the perfect sitting position so that the 3D is spot on. IT also looks a lot cripser from what I can remember....


Latest 3D film thought: Saw Brave on Friday and the 3D was pretty pointless with some occassional moments of exception.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 9/8/2012 1:13:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD

I got a 3D TV weekend just gone and i am officially now a total convert. Even watching my 2D blus converted to 3D looks good, let alone the ones that are designed to be in 3D which look AMAZING. Hugo completely blew me away in 3D (have watched it twice in 2D before watching it in 3D and the 3D was immense).


Loving Michael Bay movies.Hating Christopher Nolan movies, and now you are fully endorsing 3D!

Don't expect any Christmas cards from Kermode this year DK!


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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 9/8/2012 1:14:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD

I got a 3D TV weekend just gone and i am officially now a total convert. Even watching my 2D blus converted to 3D looks good, let alone the ones that are designed to be in 3D which look AMAZING. Hugo completely blew me away in 3D (have watched it twice in 2D before watching it in 3D and the 3D was immense).


I always found 3D TVs far better than 3D cinema as well. Probably because you can manoevre yourself into the perfect sitting position so that the 3D is spot on. IT also looks a lot cripser from what I can remember....


Latest 3D film thought: Saw Brave on Friday and the 3D was pretty pointless with some occassional moments of exception.


Absolutely dude, the quality i can get from my 3D TV is way better than anything i've seen in 3D at the cinema, and being able to adjust all the settings as i watch is the deal breaker.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 6/9/2012 2:55:52 PM   
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So it appears Dredd is being released in 3D only.

Count me out then.....

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 6/9/2012 4:37:15 PM   
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So it appears Dredd is being released in 3D only.

Count me out then.....


Just wait for the Blu ray, or god forbid the DVD. The slow mo FX should look amazing in 3D though

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 6/9/2012 4:41:55 PM   
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I hadn't realised.

Still - it makes film choices easier. Dredd can wait till DVD.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 6/9/2012 4:44:27 PM   
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It has 2D showings at Cineworld Cardiff but on limited screens.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 6/9/2012 4:47:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD

I got a 3D TV weekend just gone and i am officially now a total convert. Even watching my 2D blus converted to 3D looks good, let alone the ones that are designed to be in 3D which look AMAZING. Hugo completely blew me away in 3D (have watched it twice in 2D before watching it in 3D and the 3D was immense).


I always found 3D TVs far better than 3D cinema as well. Probably because you can manoevre yourself into the perfect sitting position so that the 3D is spot on. IT also looks a lot cripser from what I can remember....


Latest 3D film thought: Saw Brave on Friday and the 3D was pretty pointless with some occassional moments of exception.


Absolutely dude, the quality i can get from my 3D TV is way better than anything i've seen in 3D at the cinema, and being able to adjust all the settings as i watch is the deal breaker.


I have to agree, cinema 3D (Avatar accepted) is truly shite and this is compounded by the fact you have to pay extra for the 'privilege' of watching films that now look a bit weird and not actually three dimensional at all. I was pleasantly suprised when I first saw 3D on a TV, it's actually worth investing in if they start coming up with a lot more channels doing 3D.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 9/9/2012 3:15:49 PM   
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Somebody really needs to take Entertainment (the distributors of Dredd) to task for their handling of 3D content.

I rarely see alternate 2D performances for 3D films distributed by these clowns.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 2:06:09 AM   
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Although I'm more well-disposed to 3D than most people here, the apparently forced against Del Toro's will conversion of Pacific Rim is something of an ugly development.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 3:38:08 AM   
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Although I'm more well-disposed to 3D than most people here, the apparently forced against Del Toro's will conversion of Pacific Rim is something of an ugly development.


Definitely, when I hear rumours of Man of Steel being post converted I hate it but I can believe it as after the under performance or Watchmen and the failure of Sucker Punch and Guardians of Ga'Hoole, Zack Snyder seems to be someone who would bend over a bit for the studios now. But Del Toro I always figured was a guy who wouldn't buckle to studio enforced bullshit (purely from his mountains of madness demands) so I don't know what WB did to get Del Toro to accept this, and he's going to have to lose a lot of face in interviews seeing as he said he wouldn't make Pacific Rim in 3D at comic-con this year.
What really disappoints me is the reason Del Toro said he wouldn't use 3D is because it would mess with how you see the monsters and robots in terms of scale, which means he obviously concentrated a lot on the scale of the action and making sure it worked. Now all of that would be ruined, I was planning on seeing this in IMAX because of the aforementioned scale of the film but seeing as IMAX never offer 2D screenings of 3D films, i'm just going to have to watch this on a regular screen which will surely take away some of the awe of the film it would have had in IMAX.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 11:36:19 AM   
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Something tells me they didn't even bother consulting with del Toro in order for him to agree with it. As far as studios are concerned, they're their movies and they can do with them what they want, with or without the directors consent.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 3:36:47 PM   
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Something tells me they didn't even bother consulting with del Toro in order for him to agree with it. As far as studios are concerned, they're their movies and they can do with them what they want, with or without the directors consent.


Yeah thats the impression i got reading articles and interviews with Andrew Stanton about John Carters conversion into 3D.That it was pretty much done without him him having any say in it.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 3:43:38 PM   
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Although I'm more well-disposed to 3D than most people here, the apparently forced against Del Toro's will conversion of Pacific Rim is something of an ugly development.


Yep. If 3Ding it was a choice made by both Del Toro and Warners it wouldn't be so bad. But converting it against his wishes is an ill-judged move.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 4:01:13 PM   
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This is genuinely surprising to me as Warner Brothers seemed to be the studio that valued auteurs the most and treated them well these past few years. I mean they still made crappy movies sometimes or used journeyman directors but it seemed to be the studio where if you were a top director and you had a vision then they wouldn't fuck with it. Doing this to someone like Del Toro just seems so out of character for them.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 4:20:49 PM   
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I was going to start a new thread for this question but it relates to 3D so I'll stick it in here instead...

I often read on the forums about people watching films "as the director intended", often referring to uncut versions of films or whatever. My question is, where do people who feel this way stand on 3D? I'm talking about intentional 3D films where the director has embraced 3D, like Hugo. Isn't 3D Scorcese's intention for the film? I appreciate that it also looks good in 2D (though it was probably just as dull in 3D) but still... what say thee?

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 4:24:10 PM   
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I went to see Avatar, Hugo and Prometheus in 3D because that's how the those movies were intended to be seen. And of all of the 3D films I've seen, those have been the only three to impress me, most likely because this was the intention in the first place.

I refuse to buy a 3D Blu Ray player, though, as I think the fad will come to an end pretty soon.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 7:37:22 PM   
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Things like Avatar, Hugo and Prometheus I would consider the 3D version is "as the filmmaker intended" (I only got round to seeing the Scott film in 2D though ). Given the way Scorsese deployed 3D, I've only seen my Hugo Blu-Ray when I've had access to a 3DTV and player.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 13/9/2012 8:09:13 PM   
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Regarding the cineworld thing, it would appear as if they have followed through.

I mentioned in the thread about cinema prices that's just appeared that the showing of Dredd 3D I attended cost the same as a regular screening, and if this is a new policy being implemented, I heartily welcome it. I always thought that prices couldn't be kept high forever if it was apparantly to recoup the investment, and if this is indeed why cineworld have dropped the prices, then they are to be commended. However, I share Chris Kilby's suspicions that it may have more to do with it than that, and that perhaps attendance levels played a part in the decision.

I should note though, however, that given the choice, I'd choose 2D almost every time. It was certainly used to eye-popping effect at times during the Dredd movie (I'm looking at you, slow-mo scenes), but for the large part is was, and still very much is, a load of gimmicky wank.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 14/9/2012 11:54:26 AM   
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I went to see Avatar, Hugo and Prometheus in 3D because that's how the those movies were intended to be seen. And of all of the 3D films I've seen, those have been the only three to impress me, most likely because this was the intention in the first place.

I refuse to buy a 3D Blu Ray player, though, as I think the fad will come to an end pretty soon.


I would argue that Ridley Scott was pretty much '' encouraged '' to shoot Prometheus in 3D in order for it to get greenlit.The 2D version i saw at the cinema was beautiful and glad i didnt see it in 3D.Having seen and read interviews with Scott concerning the subject, i get the impression that he prefers 2D.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 14/9/2012 4:26:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


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I went to see Avatar, Hugo and Prometheus in 3D because that's how the those movies were intended to be seen. And of all of the 3D films I've seen, those have been the only three to impress me, most likely because this was the intention in the first place.

I refuse to buy a 3D Blu Ray player, though, as I think the fad will come to an end pretty soon.


I would argue that Ridley Scott was pretty much '' encouraged '' to shoot Prometheus in 3D in order for it to get greenlit.The 2D version i saw at the cinema was beautiful and glad i didnt see it in 3D.Having seen and read interviews with Scott concerning the subject, i get the impression that he prefers 2D.


I don't know how you can criticise a film's 3D without actually having seen it. Particularly one that was made using 3D and not post converted. I'm generally ambivilent to 3D at the cinema these days, if it's in 3D I'll watch it in 3D, if not, I won't. 3D seems to vary from excellent to pretty shoddy. I'd say Prometheus in particular is one of the best films to use 3D, it is, at times, simply stunning. I'd be amazed if Ridley Scott was not happy with how the use of 3D worked in that movie. No colour loss, no dark under lit scenes, depth to the image, not many (if any at all) gimmicky uses. It was really, really good and I hope Scott uses it again and again. Another film that used it well was Transformers Dark Of The Moon, it might be a film to everyone's taste, but again the 3D was used really, really well.

As I say, I'm beyond caring about wether 3D is being used as a gimmick or money making tool. When it's used correctly, it can be like any other visual trick available to a film maker and it can genuinely enhance the experience. I'm also of the opinion that if a film maker chooses to shoot his movie with 3D, then that is how it should be viewed. Post conversions are debateble I guess, but if it's shot in 3D, I'll see it that way.

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RE: Mark Kermode's 3 D Boycott & General 3-D Discussion - 16/9/2012 12:14:42 PM   
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According to Cameron 3D makes a movie a more immersive experience. I argue that any truely great movie is an immersive experience anyway. When you get so lost in a movie that you forget you are sitting in a darkened room with 200 strangers thats a great movie. Would 3D really have made The Godfather or Raging Bull or even Cameron's own Aliens better movies i think not

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RE: Mark Kermode's 3 D Boycott - 16/9/2012 12:23:58 PM   
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really wanted to see DREDD but no cinema is offering a 2D alternative and this is happening more often than i would like. Afraid they lost one customer in me,i be waiting for the dvd or bluray so i can watch it properly.  A lifelong cinema fan but not for much longer i fear

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 23/9/2012 7:58:02 AM   
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I was going to start a new thread for this question but it relates to 3D so I'll stick it in here instead...

I often read on the forums about people watching films "as the director intended", often referring to uncut versions of films or whatever. My question is, where do people who feel this way stand on 3D? I'm talking about intentional 3D films where the director has embraced 3D, like Hugo. Isn't 3D Scorcese's intention for the film? I appreciate that it also looks good in 2D (though it was probably just as dull in 3D) but still... what say thee?


I care more about seeing a good film, than seeing a film as the director intended it. Sine the 3D in Avatar didn't impress me and I do believe it's quite possible for a director to wreck his own work, I'll happy see a 2d version of a film that the director made for 3D.

Had I been in the vicinity of a cinema for Hugo I might (and I must stress might) have made an exception for that.

I was looking forward to Dredd. A shame I won't be seeing it in the cinema.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 23/9/2012 8:52:10 AM   
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I was going to start a new thread for this question but it relates to 3D so I'll stick it in here instead...

I often read on the forums about people watching films "as the director intended", often referring to uncut versions of films or whatever. My question is, where do people who feel this way stand on 3D? I'm talking about intentional 3D films where the director has embraced 3D, like Hugo. Isn't 3D Scorcese's intention for the film? I appreciate that it also looks good in 2D (though it was probably just as dull in 3D) but still... what say thee?

That's an interesting question.

I think, though, it in fact comes down to another question: does 3D, or the lack thereof, significantly alter the film? Extended versions and director's cuts of films can and do significantly alter a film, 'Kingdom of Heaven' instantly springing to mind. Can the same be said, in all honesty, for 3D?

Some people are physically incapable of watching 3D films. Did those people see a significantly poorer version of 'Hugo' (to use your example)? Once you get passed the visuals, is there anything 'Avatar' has to offer that can't be gained from the 2D version?

I saw 'Dredd' in 2D. Loved it. A friend saw 'Dredd' in 3D. He loved it. I asked him about the 3D (I was especially interested in his opinion as he has seen more 3D films than I have). I his view, the 3D didn't make 'Dredd' a better film. The only thing at added to was the cost of the ticket.

So... yeah. What do I think? I think if a film maker chooses to rely on 3D to impress the masses, then there's something wrong with their film. I may have enjoyed 'Prometheus' despite its flaws, but it did have flaws that no amount of 3D will cover. Conversely, 'Dredd' was a great film that I couldn't find much fault with, and the 3D was a pointless addition foisted on it by the backers.

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 23/9/2012 9:44:51 AM   
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I think that essentially is the thing. 3D is just a glossy wrapping to the film rather than something intrinsic to it. Take away the wrapping and you can still have a nice present.

Films shot in 3D however do work better than those which are post processed but they are few and far between, and even then I have never felt it is something which enhances the film viewing experience, in fact often it is detrimental and takes me out of the film when something comes flying out of the screen in a completely unnatural way.

Thinking about it Tron: Legacy is the only film where the 3D really worked for me and that was only because of the unnatural computer world (ignoring that awful final stretched Jeff Bridges).

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RE: An Interesting Rumour About Cineworld... - 23/9/2012 10:59:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: UTB

I was going to start a new thread for this question but it relates to 3D so I'll stick it in here instead...

I often read on the forums about people watching films "as the director intended", often referring to uncut versions of films or whatever. My question is, where do people who feel this way stand on 3D? I'm talking about intentional 3D films where the director has embraced 3D, like Hugo. Isn't 3D Scorcese's intention for the film? I appreciate that it also looks good in 2D (though it was probably just as dull in 3D) but still... what say thee?

That's an interesting question.

I think, though, it in fact comes down to another question: does 3D, or the lack thereof, significantly alter the film? Extended versions and director's cuts of films can and do significantly alter a film, 'Kingdom of Heaven' instantly springing to mind. Can the same be said, in all honesty, for 3D?

Some people are physically incapable of watching 3D films. Did those people see a significantly poorer version of 'Hugo' (to use your example)? Once you get passed the visuals, is there anything 'Avatar' has to offer that can't be gained from the 2D version?



Some people are colour blind. Did those people see a significantly poorer version of 'The Wizard of Oz'? Once you get past the visuals is there anything it has to offer that couldn't have been gained from sticking to an all black and white version?

You may feel that is a facetious question, and it probably is; however there is a real parallel with how many film critics saw the use of colour in the early days and how critics look at 3D now. It was seen as less realistic and many felt it should only be used with certain genres. For quite some time very few "serious" films were made in colour.

Whether 3D will, with time and new technology, become as ubiquitous as colour has is yet to be seen. It wasn't until Eastman's colour negative was released that smaller films could use colour economically. 3 strip Technicolor was far too expensive. Similarly it may take a similar technological leap to take 3D out of its current niche.

You can find similar parallels with the various widescreen processes and the various stereo (and pseudostereo) sound formats.

It may be that 3D never becomes a de facto standard. I doubt its going to die out completely. This latest resurgence has become too established to be fobbed off as another fad.


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I think that essentially is the thing. 3D is just a glossy wrapping to the film rather than something intrinsic to it. Take away the wrapping and you can still have a nice present.


The same could be said for any of the format choices film-makers make.

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Films shot in 3D however do work better than those which are post processed but they are few and far between, and even then I have never felt it is something which enhances the film viewing experience, in fact often it is detrimental and takes me out of the film when something comes flying out of the screen in a completely unnatural way.


I seriously think that where a film is planned to be post converted, and shot appropriately, there is little difference: at least for recent films.

The latest Transformers was highly praised for its use of 3D (about all it was praised for, but I digress). However almost 50% of the shots were post conversions. If anyone can pick them out without knowing beforehand, they have a much better eye than I. Avatar had upwards of 40 shots converted in post as there were problems with the alignment. I challenge anyone to spot them.

Most of the most ardent critics of post conversions are critics of 3D in general. A lot of the criticism reeks of confirmation bias. There are bad ones: especially when it is tacked on as an afterthought. But I am fairly secure in my belief that if we didn't know it was a conversion going in, we'd be none the wiser coming out.

The only reason I spotted Thor was a post conversion was because it had all the hallmarks of an anamorphic film. I still had to check when I got home as that can be faked.

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Thinking about it Tron: Legacy is the only film where the 3D really worked for me and that was only because of the unnatural computer world (ignoring that awful final stretched Jeff Bridges).


You sound like an early critic of colour film writing about Wizard of Oz.

Funny how these things go around.

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