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Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina?


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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 22/2/2012 4:46:32 PM   
Deviation


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 Because they don't see the Falklands as belonging to the UK DUH . Also, how it is similar to the Iraq War.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 22/2/2012 10:15:31 PM   
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Because they don't see the Falklands as belonging to the UK DUH . Also, how it is similar to the Iraq War.



I presume that Titanm21 is referring to the Gulf War (1991) as opposed to the Iraq war (2003)

Due to the way that the ottoman empire was organised, in a system of Vilayets, Iraq had maintained that what is modern-day Kuwait, was in fact part of Iraqi Territory.

This is because Iraq was made up of the three vilayets of Basra, Baghdad and either Mosul or Kirkuk (I can't remember which was the centre of the vilayet). Now modern day Kuwait was part of the Basra vilayet, or at least a large part of it was (IIRC it just happened to be the bit with a big lake of dino blood underneath it), Iraq was kind of pissed off with Kuwait selling all this oil when it believed that it was theirs*

*why they chose 1990 to try and take it back is a matter of opinion - Iraq was pretty much broke after the Iran-Iraq war and due to the activity around Basra was not up to peak efficiency, so to increase their revenues they wanted the oil price to go up, the other members of OAPEC were outputting at pretty high levels and at a meeting Saddam tried to persuade the other members to cut things back, because for the last 10 years he had been holding back the Shia threat for them and they owed him a favour or two (less supply, same demand = higher price) amongst other groups Kuwait was unwilling to do this, which did not sit well with Saddam. Cue Invasion **


** I did hear a rumour that the moment that saddam decided to invade was about the time the Kuwaiti representative pointed out the fact that Saddam was the product of two 1st cousins marrying and that he could pretty much go fuck himself if he thought Kuwait would reduce production (I would not take this too serisously though)

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 22/2/2012 10:54:54 PM   
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I presume that Titanm21 is referring to the Gulf War (1991) as opposed to the Iraq war (2003)


Ah, that makes sense.

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** I did hear a rumour that the moment that saddam decided to invade was about the time the Kuwaiti representative pointed out the fact that Saddam was the product of two 1st cousins marrying and that he could pretty much go fuck himself if he thought Kuwait would reduce production (I would not take this too serisously though)


It would have made The Devil's Double a better film.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 23/2/2012 12:39:39 PM   
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I presume that Titanm21 is referring to the Gulf War (1991) as opposed to the Iraq war (2003)


Ah sorry guys I fotgot to add which one I meant. I wasn't trolling, just trying to be clever and failing in the process lol

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 23/2/2012 3:28:07 PM   
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No problem - I tend to use Gulf war and Gulf War II:Son of Bush interchangebly with Iraq war.

I hadn't actually made the connection of similarity - in terms of precedence it certainly shows us in a good light - Iraq's claim was based on map and boundary changes made in 1917/18 - so if we told them where to stick their claim I'm fairly sure the UN should do the same to Argentina

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 23/2/2012 8:49:18 PM   
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My family are in constant dispute with two families over land. Not only we are being targetted but these families are also trying to land grab council properties as well. It's a situation we have to be on guard all time.  In my opinion what happening over at the Falklands is no different except the bullies are bigger.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 23/2/2012 8:54:28 PM   
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Sean Penn's Comment Is Free piece in the Guardian. Needless to say, he meets with little sympathy BTL.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/23/sean-penn-falklands-malvinas-diplomacy-interrupted

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 23/2/2012 9:52:18 PM   
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 It reads not just like of someone who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but of someone who's just discovered a thesaurus.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 23/2/2012 10:08:11 PM   
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I found his Pinochet strawman and allusion to South Africa particularly enlightening.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 23/2/2012 10:33:58 PM   
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It reads not just like of someone who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but of someone who's just discovered a thesaurus.

I've just finished his second paragraph and that's exactly how it reads.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 24/2/2012 12:28:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rinc

It reads not just like of someone who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but of someone who's just discovered a thesaurus.

I've just finished his second paragraph and that's exactly how it reads.


He's just using big words to sound clever, like Homer.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 24/2/2012 4:40:20 AM   
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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 24/2/2012 11:22:08 AM   
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 Pump up the jingo, pump up the jingo, pump up the jingo, dance dance!!
He should be reet careful about calling into play those nations that advocate a man or men who rule a country with, let's say, a lesser sense of foul play. Yes, I know he is against his own country in most articles of national interest, and it needs more of those hippies (joke) to speak out. But I really can't help that he's using this as a footstool to promote his ownself onto the international stage. He seems to want to be the new Clinton. But with a hipper rap (thank you RDJ).
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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 24/2/2012 12:58:20 PM   
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Sean Penn's Comment Is Free piece in the Guardian. Needless to say, he meets with little sympathy BTL.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/23/sean-penn-falklands-malvinas-diplomacy-interrupted


Ha - there's an ad for one of those inflatable willy costumes right next to the article!

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 25/2/2012 2:51:41 PM   
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Isn't his point (in amongst all the other snide jabs at things) that Britain should return to diplomacy? To be honest we should keep a debate and line of conversation on this going with Argentina, not just refuse to talk to them. Talking to them might be helpful.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 27/2/2012 9:14:13 PM   
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17184955

Oh real mature

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 27/2/2012 9:18:11 PM   
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Isn't his point (in amongst all the other snide jabs at things) that Britain should return to diplomacy? To be honest we should keep a debate and line of conversation on this going with Argentina, not just refuse to talk to them. Talking to them might be helpful.


Isn't the point, though,  that the basis Argentina want talks on is already a problem as it gives credence to something that doesn't actually reflect the situation. It's like an annoying court drama where the lawyer wants a yes/no answer to a question that can't be properly answered with either. And that Penn is simply revelling in anti-British hypocrisy while pandering to Argentinian colonial notions?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17184955

Oh real mature


It's what they've been doing for ages and got their local pals in on the act - in some ways they're operating an illegal blockade to try and force the people who actually live there, and get to decide who they are, out. Curiously this blockade isn't that well publicised.




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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 27/2/2012 9:27:16 PM   
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I had no idea Argentina had been turning away cruise ships for having the temerity to stop at the Falklands beforehand, I thought it was limited to merchant vessels. Maybe cruise lines should outfox them by stopping at Argentina first, and the Falklands second

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 27/2/2012 9:29:59 PM   
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It'd be amusing to ask them if they got the tip from the US's treatment of Cuban visas. GIven they're such big fans and all.

It'd be quite sad if this got more publicity than food supplies though.


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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 28/2/2012 3:42:00 AM   
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Isn't his point (in amongst all the other snide jabs at things) that Britain should return to diplomacy? To be honest we should keep a debate and line of conversation on this going with Argentina, not just refuse to talk to them. Talking to them might be helpful.


Isn't the point, though,  that the basis Argentina want talks on is already a problem as it gives credence to something that doesn't actually reflect the situation. It's like an annoying court drama where the lawyer wants a yes/no answer to a question that can't be properly answered with either. And that Penn is simply revelling in anti-British hypocrisy while pandering to Argentinian colonial notions?


But international diplomacy is not best achieved by putting your fingers in your ears and saying 'na na na I can't hear you'. They should get around a table and firmly tell them to 'sod off'. The fact is that if we want to operate in the region successfully we should have good relations with our neighbours, or at least some relationship with our neighbours. I think we would be beyond reproach if we at least agreed to talk about it, say every 5 years. Tell them to sod off every 5 years, seems like it would seem more reasonable to the UN, other south American countries and the world in general. Oh and Mr Penn, the real person who matters in all this. Just saying is all.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 1/3/2012 7:08:02 PM   
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Oh jesus did I make sense to people? I hope we are changing policy inline with my writing on empire.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 2/3/2012 2:31:45 PM   
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http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16180860#none

Another so called anti imperial celebrity supporting Argentina`s claim for the Falklands, whose people don`t want to be taken over by them, based on a connection Argentina has with the Spanish Empire it was part of when Spain temporarily owned them. Why can`t Roger Waters from Pink Floyd see how hypocritical he`s being? If Spain isn`t bothered why should Argentinas complaining be taken seriously?   

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 2/3/2012 2:46:42 PM   
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 Roger Waters has a 2 week series of concerts starting in Argentina next week. That says all that needs to be said about his comments I think.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 2/3/2012 3:01:52 PM   
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Tactless and shameful PR stunt.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 2/3/2012 3:57:44 PM   
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 Why cant these people just shut up and do what they're famous for?

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 2/3/2012 5:03:33 PM   
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 Anyone see that muppet Galloway on This Week last night?

He was advocating joint sovereignty over the islands. Do a deal to split the oil. He was under the impression that the rest of Latin America would be suitably p!ssed off by the UK telling "the lovely" Argie boss wifie to poke it that they'd go all Trade Federation on our Naboo asses. The whole of South America refusing to trade with us would be a pain the hole.

Of course, it was Galloway speaking so the chances of any truth in it are slim.

I canna see the UK playing well with others on this.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 2/3/2012 7:48:14 PM   
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 NO.

NOT HIM.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/02/falkland-islands-belong-argentina-morrissey

THEY'VE GOT MORRISSEY.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 2/3/2012 8:00:48 PM   
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NO.

NOT HIM.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/02/falkland-islands-belong-argentina-morrissey

THEY'VE GOT MORRISSEY.




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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 2/3/2012 8:02:23 PM   
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 I've re-read the comments by Penn, Waters and now former-lyrical-genius-turned-clueless-reactionary-ex-pat-arsehole Morrisey and at no point do any of them appear to give the slightest thought to (or even acknowledge) the people who actually fucking live there.
Funny that.

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RE: Britannia rules those waves.. - 2/3/2012 11:13:45 PM   
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quote:

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Anyone see that muppet Galloway on This Week last night?

He was advocating joint sovereignty over the islands. Do a deal to split the oil. He was under the impression that the rest of Latin America would be suitably p!ssed off by the UK telling "the lovely" Argie boss wifie to poke it that they'd go all Trade Federation on our Naboo asses. The whole of South America refusing to trade with us would be a pain the hole.

Of course, it was Galloway speaking so the chances of any truth in it are slim.

I canna see the UK playing well with others on this.


I don't really understand what you are trying to say here.


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